Thing vs. Sabertooth

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
Alright, I didn't read everything so far, so these points might have already been made...

Wolverine started off as a Hulk enemy. Wolverine can at least survive against Hulk. Now take into consideration that not only is Thing not as strong as Hulk, but Sabretooth is stronger than Wolverine.

You can grab a knife by a blade, right? Does that mean you can stick your hand in a running blender? No. Those claws hurt Thing, and they are attacking him furiously. And everyone knows how dirty Sabretooth fights, so those claws are attacking his eyes, personal areas, etc.

Thing isn't exactly the most skilled fighter in the world. But Sabretooth is a Weapon X, and has mad fighting skill. It has been precedented in the past that skill can overcome strength. Sabretooths a brawler, and will pull out every trick in the book to win.

yeah I still don't get where people are assuming thing's the better fighter here... wolverine's decribed sabretooth's skills as being superb. he also took out maverick in h2h who is a top notch fighter, and going by stats sabretooth's always been a level 6 or 7 thing's at a 5. how the hell is an air force brat a better fighter than a cia, black ops, green beret, with weapon x training to boot? 🤨

Originally posted by roughrider
I remember that - it's obvious they know each other already when that happened. I guess nothing has been shown of their first meeting ever, yet.

actually it has..leonidas posted a pic of it...

Originally posted by roughrider
I remember that - it's obvious they know each other already when that happened. I guess nothing has been shown of their first meeting ever, yet.

I know that in the 60s the two + Maverick were CIA operatives, so they go back a long time. I think (goddamn memory loss) that once Creed tried to convince Logan that he's known him for a lot longer than that, but i might've seen that in the toons, or some what if thing. I.....can't recall 🙁

Anyway, back on topic.

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
Alright, I didn't read everything so far, so these points might have already been made...

Wolverine started off as a Hulk enemy. Wolverine can at least survive against Hulk. Now take into consideration that not only is Thing not as strong as Hulk, but Sabretooth is stronger than Wolverine.

You can grab a knife by a blade, right? Does that mean you can stick your hand in a running blender? No. Those claws hurt Thing, and they are attacking him furiously. And everyone knows how dirty Sabretooth fights, so those claws are attacking his eyes, personal areas, etc.

Thing isn't exactly the most skilled fighter in the world. But Sabretooth is a Weapon X, and has mad fighting skill. It has been precedented in the past that skill can overcome strength. Sabretooths a brawler, and will pull out every trick in the book to win.

As correct as you may be, you're prolly gonna get bashed for saying Thing's not such an incredible fighter. For some reason, people equaty throwing punches around with incredible fighting skills. It's been proven (scans are the last piece of evidence needed) that wolverine can and has hurt Thing. Sabertooth can do the same, only worse and faster. And While that doesn't mean Sabertooth wins, it also means Thing's got a long hard battle ahead of him.

Originally posted by jinzin
yeah I still don't get where people are assuming thing's the better fighter here... wolverine's decribed sabretooth's skills as being superb. he also took out maverick in h2h who is a top notch fighter, and going by stats sabretooth's always been a level 6 or 7 thing's at a 5. how the hell is an air force brat a better fighter than a cia, black ops, green beret, with weapon x training to boot? 🤨

Errrrr.......i'm supposing by "took out Maverick" you mean that issue where he fights Maverick, Maverick assumingly KO's him, and then being the "smart" guy he is stands on top of Creed's body, only to have Mr. Improved abilities by Weapon X, improved times 3 jumps up and guts Maverick then drops him from the roof of the building only to lose minutes later to a naked Wolverine? Cause IMO as cool as the fight might've been, that was crap. The whole Maverick speech/stupidity i mean.

~wickerman~

Originally posted by jinzin
yeah I still don't get where people are assuming thing's the better fighter here... wolverine's decribed sabretooth's skills as being superb. he also took out maverick in h2h who is a top notch fighter, and going by stats sabretooth's always been a level 6 or 7 thing's at a 5. how the hell is an air force brat a better fighter than a cia, black ops, green beret, with weapon x training to boot? 🤨

I would never suggest Thing is a better figter thn ST. Thing didnt become a great fighter in the airforce though, he was always a great fighter due to the environment he grew up in.

he's done it before that..unless that was a memory implant too...him and logan where getting into a spat back in the weapon x days right before they were gonna go after omega red and makerick tried to step in the way and got his ass whooped then creed marched his warpath on towards wolverine, then they got interupted by enimies.. it took place in a one shot, or annual, or something... I don't remember which book i just remember the scenario..damned flooded basement. 😠 lost a lot of good books that day. 🙁

anywho yeah he did take him out again in that weapon x comic I forogot about that...

and as for pics..i posted them in an older wolverine vs. thing thread.

Originally posted by Wynndar
I would never suggest Thing is a better figter thn ST. Thing didnt become a great fighter in the airforce though, he was always a great fighter due to the environment he grew up in.

The thing is (no pun 😉 ) that most people around these forums consider that "better fighter" implies a better knowledge of tactical fighting, mostly based on oriental styles, seeing as how they're considered to be the most effective in h2h combat. While Thing can be an excellent streetfighting kind of fighter, it doesn't make him an awesome fighter. And that's why people sometimes get irked by "Thing's one of the best fighters inthe MU" statements, when even silver fox was a better damn fighter 😂

Originally posted by jinzin
he's done it before that..unless that was a memory implant too...him and logan where getting into a spat back in the weapon x days right before they were gonna go after omega red and makerick tried to step in the way and got his ass whooped then creed marched his warpath on towards wolverine, then they got interupted by enimies.. it took place in a one shot, or annual, or something... I don't remember which book i just remember the scenario..damned flooded basement. 😠 lost a lot of good books that day. 🙁

anywho yeah he did take him out again in that weapon x comic I forogot about that...

and as for pics..i posted them in an older wolverine vs. thing thread.

unless that was a memory implant too 😂 yeah.....crappy implants messing with OUR heads as well. I don't remember THAT issue however. You've had a flooded basement, i've had a crashed HDD (don't tell anyone i have/had comics on my comp 😖hifty: ). And yeah, that second thing in the weapon X comic.......was CRAAAAAAAP....🙁

As for the older thread, good luck finding it. The search function's crap nowadays, and the google search is even worse.

~wickerman~

I'm saying better fighter is the winner, the more skilled fighter is just that, more skilled...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm saying better fighter is the winner, the more skilled fighter is just that, more skilled...

That's what i meant to say. People around here equate better fighter to more skilled fighter. I personally do the same. But seeing as how the outcome can go to the less skilled fighter.......and more than once......i assume he CAN be considered a good fighter....bleh....just makes my ears hurt for some reason 😬
It makes sense, i just don't like it 🙁

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm saying better fighter is the winner, the more skilled fighter is just that, more skilled...

Indeed, I see your point. However, who is to say that Sabretooth isn't the better fighter? As far as I can tell, that fact hasn't been determined yet. In fact, that's what this thread is for. I think that Sabretooth has too much skill for Thing to keep up with. The better fighter is indeed the one who is left standing at the end of the match, not the most skilled opponent. But, that doesn't mean that the skill doesn't carry weight...

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
Indeed, I see your point. However, who is to say that Sabretooth isn't the better fighter? As far as I can tell, that fact hasn't been determined yet. In fact, that's what this thread is for. I think that Sabretooth has too much skill for Thing to keep up with. The better fighter is indeed the one who is left standing at the end of the match, not the most skilled opponent. But, that doesn't mean that the skill doesn't carry weight...

Skill IMO carries the most weight when fighting opponents that are relatively in your proximity when it comes to general power. When you're let's say like Elektra fighting Juggernaut.....you can have all the skill you want.....it won't do you any good ❌

~wickerman~

yes...

Originally posted by Wickerman
Skill IMO carries the most weight when fighting opponents that are relatively in your proximity when it comes to general power. When you're let's say like Elektra fighting Juggernaut.....you can have all the skill you want.....it won't do you any good ❌

~wickerman~

But that is a horrible comparison. What about Captain America fighting the Hulk? What about Batman fighting other JLA'ers? And any idiot could realize Juggernaut could smite Elektra. But if the case is proximity, I think the characters are close enough to compare (they must be, you yourself are comparing them). Thing isn't unbreakable, contrary to popular belief...

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
But that is a horrible comparison. What about Captain America fighting the Hulk? What about Batman fighting other JLA'ers? And any idiot could realize Juggernaut could smite Elektra. But if the case is proximity, I think the characters are close enough to compare (they must be, you yourself are comparing them). Thing isn't unbreakable, contrary to popular belief...

Captain America is the best a Human's gonna get when it comes to power, and a very very skilled fighter. He also has the nifty shield. Bats is a walking prep. freak, etc. Skill is involved when it comes to these people, but never only skill.

And no, i was generalising. I DO think in this fight skill can make a huge difference, which is why as you said i myself compare the two rigurously.

~wickerman~

People don't seem to realize this..but the Thing is a damb skilled fighter..how else do you think he hung with the likes of Champion, Savage Hulk, Namor, Wrecker..and a shiznit load of others who outclassed him strength wise...Thing can take a beating..and he can dish one out as well. Sabretooth goes down in the 5th round..Benji's fared a beating far worse than tooth can dish out...

Originally posted by whobdamandog
People don't seem to realize this..but the Thing is a damb skilled fighter..how else do you think he hung with the likes of Champion, Savage Hulk, Namor, Wrecker..and a shiznit load of others who outclassed him strength wise...Thing can take a beating..and he can dish one out as well. Sabretooth goes down in the 5th round..Benji's fared a beating far worse than tooth can dish out...

Originally posted by Creshosk
When someone says the same thing about wolverine. . . 😖hifty:

1. consistancy
2. who in the hell keeps saying "hang", i'm getting tired of that word, it sounds like a reason for fanboys to keep a debate going, its called who will beat who, not who will "hang" with who.
3. consistancy

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
1. consistancy

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
2. who in the hell keeps saying "hang", i'm getting tired of that word, it sounds like a reason for fanboys to keep a debate going, its called who will beat who, not who will "hang" with who.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
3. consistancy

Originally posted by whobdamandog
how else do you think he hung with the likes of Champion, Savage Hulk, Namor, Wrecker..and a shiznit load of others who outclassed him strength wise...

You answered yourself. He can take a beating. That's why. IMO, not through skill, but through durability and somewhat of stamina....but not that much. Yeah, durability being the keyword.
And having his strength, he could also dish out some pain in return. But if you ask me, he didn't "hang in" with more powerful guys because of skill.....just cause of durability.

~wickerman~

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
Alright, I didn't read everything so far, so these points might have already been made...

Wolverine started off as a Hulk enemy. Wolverine can at least survive against Hulk. Now take into consideration that not only is Thing not as strong as Hulk, but Sabretooth is stronger than Wolverine.

You can grab a knife by a blade, right? Does that mean you can stick your hand in a running blender? No. Those claws hurt Thing, and they are attacking him furiously. And everyone knows how dirty Sabretooth fights, so those claws are attacking his eyes, personal areas, etc.

Thing isn't exactly the most skilled fighter in the world. But Sabretooth is a Weapon X, and has mad fighting skill. It has been precedented in the past that skill can overcome strength. Sabretooths a brawler, and will pull out every trick in the book to win.

😕

Per Marvel.com under abilities For each character they say it goes like this.

THING vs. Sabretooth

Intelligence 2 2
Strength 6 4
Speed 2 2
Energy protection 1 1
Fighting skills 5 5

Out of the 100 mainstream 616 characters that marvel (the creators of these characters) have listed they say that only 8 have higher fighting skills then both The THING and Sabretooth.

Agent X and Soldier X 6
Elektra 6
Iron Fist 6
Punisher 6
Nick Fury 6

Captain America 7
Wolverine 7

So I'm assuming we should all probably take the creators (Marvels) word for their stats.

But I'm sure that there still will be those of you out there who say they know better than Marvel themselves.

So to you. 😛

Nice Pic