Thing vs. Sabertooth

i think Ben can bring down Creed, but Ben should make sure that Creed is really KO'ed, or else once Creed's healing factor kicked in, Ben's in trouble.

Originally posted by peejayd
once Creed's healing factor kicked in

technically, his healing factor is always "kicked in". He doesn't have to have a visible wound or to be knocked out or unconscious or anything for the healing factor to be functioning. That's why both him and Wolvie can go at it for hours without stopping for a "healing break". 😉

~wickerman~

Originally posted by K3VIL
It was never stated that if Sab don't eat he's gonna die, not for the current version of him anyway.

Well Im assuming Sabretooth and Wolverine's healing factor are based on the same idea. If Wolverine and the other Weapon X guys have a healing factor based of Sabretooth's powers that entail accelerated synthesis, then Sabretooth should also have the same kind of HF. Sabretooth's powers are not interdimensional like Hulk's. Marvel has never suggested Sabretooth had Hulk or Lobo type healing abilities.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Well Im assuming Sabretooth and Wolverine's healing factor are based on the same idea. If Wolverine and the other Weapon X guys have a healing factor based of Sabretooth's powers that entail accelerated synthesis, then Sabretooth should also have the same kind of HF. Sabretooth's powers are not interdimensional like Hulk's. Marvel has never suggested Sabretooth had Hulk or Lobo type healing abilities.

Im assuming Lobo is extradimensional....Hulk's definitely is.

Originally posted by roughrider
Hell, that fight happened right around the same time he got his a** whipped by the Black Cat, Spidey's old girlfriend - she's no heavyweight!
And when did he ever have super-strength to toss Rogue around like that?
All those years I was looking for Wolvie to decapitate Sabretooth, or take a limb off or something, and somehow he never did. Have to keep the feud going, damn.

Did they explain yet in the wolvie mini-series a couple years ago, what the source of the feud is?

he's always has super strength his stats always implied him to be at peak human levels however. this is a classis example of how statistics on characters can be wrong... when sabretooth got beat by black cat he was more or less a normal guy, he had no super strength, no healing factor. the pic wickerman just posted up of sabes' face healing is a wound almost identical to the ones he was left with after he "fought" spiderman... the only difference being..and this is a big one... the former healed in seconds after his characters had been established, the ladder took months.

so far their feud stems as far back as early settler days when sabretooth raped and damn near killed silver fox on logans B-day...that was what instigated the first full out fight between the two and sabretooth's been leaving his mark on wolverine at least once a year (especially on his birthdays) ever since.

Originally posted by Wickerman
Quite sure of the outcome eh? Tell me......how can you define "best fighting spirit" ?

I need to see the scans first, but if it's true that wolverine slashed thing's face, causing him terrible pain, and if it's true that he didn't need the entire length of his claws to do that, then sabertooth with his superior strength can do even worse. Logic helps 😉

~wickerman~

tis true...tis also true that wolverine plugged things chest with his claws taking him out in one hit before as well..

Originally posted by jinzin
.that was what instigated the first full out fight between the two and sabretooth's been leaving his mark on wolverine at least once a year (especially on his birthdays) ever since.

IIRC, the whole "Every birthday" thing isn't known if it's real or not, as i recall it's just an undended plot from the Weapon X comics. I think it was speculated then that the whole "Fight with Sabertooth each year on bday" might have been just implanted memories.

~wickerman~

That was true. But it wasnt like the F4 were trying to take out Wolverine, more like they were trying to get him under control.

Originally posted by Wickerman
IIRC, the whole "Every birthday" thing isn't known if it's real or not, as i recall it's just an undended plot from the Weapon X comics. I think it was speculated then that the whole "Fight with Sabertooth each year on bday" might have been just implanted memories.

~wickerman~

no you misunderstood...what wolverine wasn't sure of after the memory implant bit was whether or not he and silver fox really did live in a cabin together way back when... later on wolverine actually found the cabin, and took elektra with him to pay his respects at silver foxes grave.

Originally posted by Wynndar
That was true. But it wasnt like the F4 were trying to take out Wolverine, more like they were trying to get him under control.

what? 🤨

thing thrw a car at him, when that didn't work HT tried to fry his wrists off, when that failed thing smashed logan through a floor and then when that failed he tried to smash wolverine with that support piller of wiring and metal tubing...

wolverine even states. :ugly son of a gun is playing for keeps here"

then wolverine stabbed him and put him down for the count....

where you got they weren't trying to hurt wolverine I don't know... 🤨

the only one in the ff that was under that type of mindset was mr. fantastic...

Originally posted by jinzin
no you misunderstood...what wolverine wasn't sure of after the memory implant bit was whether or not he and silver fox really did live in a cabin together way back when... later on wolverine actually found the cabin, and took elektra with him to pay his respects at silver foxes grave.

I know you're the resident expert on wolverine, but i'm talking about the "Fight with Sabertooth every year on his bday" thing, not his relationship with Silver Fox. Was it ever decided if those fights actually occured or were they just implants? Or am i imagining the doubt that they existed? 🤨

~wickerman~

I think you're imagining..he's definitely fought him pretty much every year he has had the chance to do so. the only doubt I remember came from the doubt of actually living with silver fox and all that jazz.

Originally posted by jinzin
I think you're imagining..he's definitely fought him pretty much every year he has had the chance to do so. the only doubt I remember came from the doubt of actually living with silver fox and all that jazz.

Yeah, i prolly am. But i think some things have also been retconned as well. I remember them first starting to fight during their CIA missions in the 60's or something, not with the whole silver fox thing 😕 again......i'm tired and most likely imagining this 🙁

~wickerman~

yeah well his "missions" along side sabretooth are of uncertain status as of yet, but the fights between them don't fall into that category..

Originally posted by jinzin
what? 🤨

thing thrw a car at him, when that didn't work HT tried to fry his wrists off, when that failed thing smashed logan through a floor and then when that failed he tried to smash wolverine with that support piller of wiring and metal tubing...

wolverine even states. :ugly son of a gun is playing for keeps here"

then wolverine stabbed him and put him down for the count....

where you got they weren't trying to hurt wolverine I don't know... 🤨

the only one in the ff that was under that type of mindset was mr. fantastic...

what issue is that?

Alright, I didn't read everything so far, so these points might have already been made...

Wolverine started off as a Hulk enemy. Wolverine can at least survive against Hulk. Now take into consideration that not only is Thing not as strong as Hulk, but Sabretooth is stronger than Wolverine.

You can grab a knife by a blade, right? Does that mean you can stick your hand in a running blender? No. Those claws hurt Thing, and they are attacking him furiously. And everyone knows how dirty Sabretooth fights, so those claws are attacking his eyes, personal areas, etc.

Thing isn't exactly the most skilled fighter in the world. But Sabretooth is a Weapon X, and has mad fighting skill. It has been precedented in the past that skill can overcome strength. Sabretooths a brawler, and will pull out every trick in the book to win.

Originally posted by Wynndar
what issue is that?

wolverine vol.2 # 22. (the one in which he stabbed him...)

Originally posted by jinzin
he's always has super strength his stats always implied him to be at peak human levels however. this is a classis example of how statistics on characters can be wrong... when sabretooth got beat by black cat he was more or less a normal guy, he had no super strength, no healing factor. the pic wickerman just posted up of sabes' face healing is a wound almost identical to the ones he was left with after he "fought" spiderman... the only difference being..and this is a big one... the former healed in seconds after his characters had been established, the ladder took months.

so far their feud stems as far back as early settler days when sabretooth raped and damn near killed silver fox on logans B-day...that was what instigated the first full out fight between the two and sabretooth's been leaving his mark on wolverine at least once a year (especially on his birthdays) ever since.

I remember that - it's obvious they know each other already when that happened. I guess nothing has been shown of their first meeting ever, yet.

Coo