Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Can you prove that she makes factually better quality music than Britney Spears?No, you cannot, because it's entirely subjective and therefore literally impossible. Better not say such things.
Unless you're the world's first with evidence, in which case let's see it.
-AC
I will ask this out of curiosity, all animosity aside. Do you believe that one cannot say, as a FACT.. that Beethoven made better quality music than Brittany Spears?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Nobody can, at all.You believing he did with all your heart, as do I, does not make us right or wrong. There is no proof for taste.
Unless you or InnerRise are the world's first two people who can.
Insisting it's better doesn't count, by the way.
-AC
Ok well, I kinda figured you thought like that, but I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt. Anyways I don't need to insist, some things are selfevident.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's not a fact, though.Unless it extends beyond all deniability and discussion, beyond opinion, it is not a fact.
Like your Beethoven/Britney argument. Insist all you wish, it's not a fact. "Self evident" as in evident to you, maybe. Not factual.
-AC
Well that's what YOU SAY, fair enough.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Present factual proof, be the first person ever to be able to do so, and I'll concede.As it stands, I have facts backing me up. If you can counter those, please do so. No animosity, just a request.
-AC
No it would be a waste of time, because you think of it in an entirely different light. You're convinced it's a matter of "taste", while I think of it more as a fundamental truth such has comparing two force vectors and claiming that one has a greater magnitude.
Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
No it would be a waste of time, because you think of it in an entirely different light. You're convinced it's a matter of "taste", while I think of it more as a fundamental truth such has comparing two force vectors and claiming that one has a greater magnitude.
But it's not, it really is an actual, factual matter of taste. There are no set, objective means in quality. Only the skill in making it.
There is no food that factually tastes good, no movie that is factually more enjoyable than another, and the same goes for music. Beethoven was unquestionably and factually the better musician, but with regards to the final product it is factually preference, it is entirely up to the listener how they rate it. There is no "truth" in preference. No "fact" in opinion.
You "think" of it wrongly.
Again, proof? Present it. Why do you think of it as comparing two force vectors?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriYou and your needless word games.
But it's not, it really is an actual, factual matter of taste. There are no set, objective means in quality. Only the skill in making it.There is no food that factually tastes good, no movie that is factually more enjoyable than another, and the same goes for music. Beethoven was unquestionably and factually the better musician, but with regards to the final product it is factually preference, it is entirely up to the listener how they rate it. There is no "truth" in preference. No "fact" in opinion.
You "think" of it wrongly.
Again, proof? Present it. Why do you think of it as comparing two force vectors?
-AC
This is why I don't even bother with you.
Everything doesn't need to be a 10 paged "Debate."
Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....
No, but it certainly doesn't need to be a "Post your point then make like Road Runner." either.
You claimed that you can also prove one quality factually better than another, do YOU have proof? Yes? No? Share, if so.
Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
Well the same can be said of you. This is a waste of time, because of your notion that it's a matter of "taste".
Well...no. It's fact.
Give me examples as to why Beethoven makes better quality music than Britney, factually, please.
I want to see why you believe as you do. Unless you don't have any proof, and just have a really, really strong opinion.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, but it certainly doesn't need to be a "Post your point then make like Road Runner." either.You claimed that you can also prove one quality factually better than another, do YOU have proof? Yes? No? Share, if so.
-AC
Well where is your proof for the claim that it's a matter of "taste"? Right... you don't have one.
Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
Well where is your proof for the claim that it's a matter of "taste"? Right... you don't have one.
"There is no food that factually tastes good, no movie that is factually more enjoyable than another, and the same goes for music. Beethoven was unquestionably and factually the better musician, but with regards to the final product it is factually preference, it is entirely up to the listener how they rate it. There is no "truth" in preference. No "fact" in opinion..
Or go see the thread "Why Do People Think Music's Subjective?".
Tens of pages of me whooping someone who had more to say than you, me and everyone else for that matter.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=449805&highlight=userid%3A66542
That was the third in three massively epic threads of that guy being dominated. If you want to see why you are wrong, just read that. All my arguments can be read there.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriWhat else is new. U_U
Tens of pages of me whooping someone.......
(The 10s of pages that is, not the "you whooping someone" part. Don't flatter yourself.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriYou're not satisfied. And that's just tough. Never stated anything to you on the matter. Never had anything to prove to you. Now "Civilly" ask for proof for the next 10 pages and further derail this thread ALONE.
No, but it certainly doesn't need to be a "Post your point then make like Road Runner." either.You claimed that you can also prove one quality factually better than another, do YOU have proof? Yes? No? Share, if so.
Well...no. It's fact.
Give me examples as to why Beethoven makes better quality music than Britney, factually, please.
I want to see why you believe as you do. Unless you don't have any proof, and just have a really, really strong opinion.
-AC
lethalwavey
Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....
Originally posted by InnerRise
You're not satisfied. And that's just tough. Never stated anything to you on the matter. Never had anything to prove to you. Now "Civilly" ask for proof for the next 10 pages and further derail this thread ALONE.lethalwavey
Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....
Admission of lack of proof accepted. Nice to see you.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"There is no food that factually tastes good, no movie that is factually more enjoyable than another, and the same goes for music. Beethoven was unquestionably and factually the better musician, but with regards to the final product it is factually preference, it is entirely up to the listener how they rate it. There is no "truth" in preference. No "fact" in opinion..Or go see the thread "Why Do People Think Music's Subjective?".
Tens of pages of me whooping someone who had more to say than you, me and everyone else for that matter.
-AC
Well they are idiots for even trying to reason with you. You have your mind made up, it's pointless to try and convince you. You're a closed minded person who claims to know "facts", but when others do it's a game of "NO it's subjective because I say so...". Sorry I am not playing with you AC, go pick on some uneducated 16 year old.
Originally posted by InnerRise
You'll drop it? Good.Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....
Originally posted by StyleTime
You found empirical data that gauges the quality of a subjective art form and can prove that Utada Hikaru is [b]factually better than Britney Spears. I simply must see this. I am not being snide here either. This is pretty groundbreaking. Would you care to explain your findings?I disagree but you apparently can prove otherwise. If you prove me wrong, I have no choice but to agree with you.
Now on to these facts.... [/B]
I edited out the part I dropped.