Originally posted by King KAMDude that is All-Star Superman. Its kinda like Marvels Ultimate line. Its not in continuity.
man....i cant remember right now, look at the inside of superman and shazam on the second issue, theres a page with him sitting on a building thats the one.....i think it might just be called superman.
Originally posted by King KAM
im fully aware of this.....but it is still pre -crisis style
What’s the point?
He can defeat Darksied rite now, which heroes in DC earth can give him a fight.
Green Lantern and Cosmic
Upgrading him is stupid idea, if they do upgrade him they would have to upgrade villains, and other heroes
Originally posted by olympian
"Or how about him in Sacrifice moving faster than Flash and smashing the Justice League?
He even noted how he was faster than Wally.
On foot even.
And proved it."Comics? Cartoon? Wally was at full speeds?
Running or combat speedblitz, if Wally used his best, it was nothing but jobbing.
"Exactly, espetially when everyday Superman is on par with him at full power."
And -you- tell someone to reread something because its rubbish?
No he isent.
"These days year.. since his OWAW sundip every other issue he does some nutso shit.
Like vibrating himself so that even Manchester Black couldnt sense him?
A telepath?"A lame telepath then?
"Superman is currently on a level above all the Marvel Higher tier characters, at their peaks. All there greatest victories and feats are regurlarly matched every month of the year, in atleast one of Supes various comics"
And wich title would that one be?
And currently on a level where he -tops- every high Marvel feat? Too much coffeine today? Where he currently has feats that surpassed punching a time storm, or busting a planet like BRB and Glads?
You comedian.
Superman struggles after a sundip to move a planet size object. How does he at regulat levels tops high Marvel feats.
"Glads is crap Superman is on a similar but higher level. Gladiator gets owned."
If he is on a higher level by your statement, how does he get owned?
Because Superman is on the higher level didn't you read what I wrote.
Originally posted by olympianWhen I first read that post yesterday I thought the same thing, and I thought something was odd about it and kept rereading it till I got it.
"Because Superman is on the higher level didn't you read what I wrote"Yeah, just use ponctuation the next time. Seemed like you wer saying Glads was a crap Superman but was on a higher level.
Originally posted by olympianOnce again, you're totally trying to downplay Superman feats, first off, he didn't struggle pushing Warworld, he did it, at any point was he saying "I can't do this, its too heavy"? No. Because it was effortless. And you'll also notice that it was a POWERED UP with INFINITE ENERGY warworld PUSHING AGAINST HIM with were already before the powerup FASTER THAN LIGHTSPEED ENGINES.
"Or how about him in Sacrifice moving faster than Flash and smashing the Justice League?
He even noted how he was faster than Wally.
On foot even.
And proved it."Comics? Cartoon? Wally was at full speeds?
Running or combat speedblitz, if Wally used his best, it was nothing but jobbing.
"Exactly, espetially when everyday Superman is on par with him at full power."
And -you- tell someone to reread something because its rubbish?
No he isent.
"These days year.. since his OWAW sundip every other issue he does some nutso shit.
Like vibrating himself so that even Manchester Black couldnt sense him?
A telepath?"A lame telepath then?
"Superman is currently on a level above all the Marvel Higher tier characters, at their peaks. All there greatest victories and feats are regurlarly matched every month of the year, in atleast one of Supes various comics"
And wich title would that one be?
And currently on a level where he -tops- every high Marvel feat? Too much coffeine today? Where he currently has feats that surpassed punching a time storm, or busting a planet like BRB and Glads?
You comedian.
Superman struggles after a sundip to move a planet size object. How does he at regulat levels tops high Marvel feats.
"Glads is crap Superman is on a similar but higher level. Gladiator gets owned."
If he is on a higher level by your statement, how does he get owned?
Superman has flown in and out of black holes, that's faster than light speed. Even beyond the times and pics shown. Superman was shown in the Black Adam, still wasn't even angry or going all out, "That punch would have split the moon in half." Or how about the pic when he's flying through a moon effortlessly? If I'm remembering correctly, it was one of Jupiter's moons, which are planet sized bodies. And he didnt' struggle with that either.
And no, Manchester isn't a lame telepath, at one time he dominated pretty much every DC Earth bad guy, and had them in metroplis fighting Superman, and he smashed all of them in a few panels, effortlessly. A great feat on both of their parts. Even Martian Manhunter had noted how particularly powerful Manchester is, as he was able to hide his mind and several others away from him.. and we all know MM is one of the top tier mental combatants.
And about Superman being faster than Wally, outthinking and manuevering and speeding him... it's not the first time it's happened. He's cought or stopped or countered or reacted faster than Wally on multitudes of occasions. Just read JLA titles, you'll see.
And what he was saying about Superman regularly topping a lot of Marvel's top strength feats... in the last 3 or 4 years alone he's pretty much trumped all these feats of Gladiator and many others, and these are just regular him.. in an average one shot issue.. then he tops it again next issue.
Thing is, only certain scans are being posted consistantly but nonetheless these are JUST the RECENT ONES. While you're posting Gladiator or whovers ALL TIME greatest moments. That's what you fail to realise. Superman is like that EVERY issue. If he lashed out, even full power Gladiator would quake with fear as it's quite obvious that happy go lucky everyday Superman is on par with his greatest moments.
"Once again, you're totally trying to downplay Superman feats, first off, he didn't struggle pushing Warworld, he did it, at any point was he saying "I can't do this, its too heavy"? No. Because it was effortless. And you'll also notice that it was a POWERED UP with INFINITE ENERGY warworld PUSHING AGAINST HIM with were already before the powerup FASTER THAN LIGHTSPEED ENGINES."
Its not much as downplaying other than keeping things in check. Saying that on average he does things on the high level of what Glads and others do, its way of base.
When SUperman without being "amped" starts doing those things ala BRB and Gladiator, among a few others, then it starts not to be off base.
The struggling part comes from memory, wich granted i can be wrong. If you can post the page that would help.
"That punch would have split the moon in half"
"a" moon.
"And about Superman being faster than Wally, outthinking and manuevering and speeding him... it's not the first time it's happened. He's cought or stopped or countered or reacted faster than Wally on multitudes of occasions. Just read JLA titles, you'll see"
My question wasent if he can outmanover Wally. Hes close to his speed to do it.
Is if he actually with both at theyr max, was moving faster than Wally.
After all your post seemed to sugegst that with " he even noted how he was faster than Wally"
Thats the part that makes me say if it really happened, it was jobbing. Its pretty much known, that Wally either by running or reaction time -is- faster.
Or, Supes used his max and Wally didnt.
"And what he was saying about Superman regularly topping a lot of Marvel's top strength feats... in the last 3 or 4 years alone he's pretty much trumped all these feats of Gladiator and many others, and these are just regular him.. in an average one shot issue.. then he tops it again next issue. "
You will have to excuse me on this. But i wont change my argument on this one either. Gladiator busting a planet in pieces in 3 shots (wich Kal never did post crisis) isent even Marvels biggest feat/only that a high top tier guy has.
That Superman on average gets higher feats, than marvel - average- its a given.
High end feats on the other hand, he doesnt.
It took Gladiator three punches to destroy a celestial sized object?
It takes Superman one.
And you may say it's just a moon, but with varrying sizes, some moons being even larger than planets, some of Jupiters for instance are around the size of the Earth or even bigger...
Still, it's pretty obvious it doesn't matter how much rock is there, it could be another 3422487 miles wide and would still get smashed.