Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
So you're saying in an individual fight, Ragnos is five times as powerful?
I think the real questions that should be asked include:
- Why does all this reasoning by me and Illustrious and others elude you?
- Why does everything have to be numbers with you? Numbers cannot be assigned effectively to anything in life that doesn't sit there and remain constant. There are things called 'variables' that make a world of difference. For instance, you can never throw a frisbee on the same arc every time because of factors with the wind, with your physical imperfections, the frisbee may be distorted from heat, etc.
- Why are you arguing this case in the typically poor sense? I only see you coming around like a ship making another pass and belting out one line of "Well, what about this?", grabbing at straws and looking for loopholes where there are none. And now you're starting on a crusade to establish us fanboys, thinking that's gonna end the argument. Oops, pack your bags, folks... they were just fanboys. Ragnos would be swarmed by the jedi and die. No, Glentract... the point here is the odds are against the jedi, no matter how numerous. Wishing differently won't make it any different, unless you can erase our memories of Ragnos and make certain he was never created. But he exists, and he is formidable, perhaps one of the strongest characters in the series. If he comes knocking at the temple doors, it is a safer bet to say the ones inside will die rather then live.
And really, lesser Sith such as Exar Kun were ultra deadly, as you've said yourself... able ot stall an army with his force powers, and live on for a thousand years as a Force ghost within the massassi ruins... And he's -weaker-. What the hell do you think Ragnos could -possibly- be capable of? He could probably impode a being with a thought if they're not force sensitive. And you saw for yourself how easily a jedi master could be chucked around like a ragdoll (ROTS Dooku versus Obi-Wan and Anakin) by someone twice as old and wise as a jedi master at the end of the Clone Wars. Exar Kun is beyond Dooku or Obi-Wan in Force powers or lightsaber skill, and Ragnos was better even than that.
I don't either. I'm rather hoping he just sighs and gives up on this little crusade. I could see if he had really valid points, but for the most part he doesn't. His style of reasoning on this thread is a bit close minded, and is oversimplifying the situation to -find- an excuse for a Sith lord to lose to a Jedi Order of relative warrior babies.
It's he attempts to assign arbitrary values for every individual. They don't make sense.
You just have to understand that Ludo and Naga feared even his spirit, and Naga was an individual that played around on a cosmic level, clearly Ragnos either has remarkably abilities to make someone fear or listen to him for no apparent reason (unlikely) or he was extremely powerful.
Ragnos is arguably the strongest guy the ever carried a blade in the SW Universe, Nihilus aside. Him with 70 HK and IG droids, designed for effing up jedi make this pretty stacked. And seriously, do you expect EVERY room to be as large as the Moria chamber, and filled with that many Jedi? Not possible.
That was one big city.
Sadow could blow up a star, Nihilus(hate him) could eat the Force, and who knows else could do who knows what.
The problem is that if we want to put people from across thousands of years up against each other, we have to go by what those people could do in THEIR time.
Sadow destroyed a star, and that automatically makes him kickass and invincible compared to almost everyone. And if he was afraid of Ragnos, then what could Marka possibly do?
It's just that, we have no idea how these people from across time would react to each other, or how they would perceive the other. Would Exar be super fast with his saber while facing off against Tulak, or would Hord's legend live up to him? Would the last Jedi Council of the Republic be able to square off Sadow, or would Naga unleash some new, out-of-the-blue technique that would kill them all with ease?
We just don't know how these people would fair against one another if they've never met. Ancient Sith Lord or not.