Originally posted by DarthMaul9123
ragnos cant beat all these people someone will get a lucky stab on him and they would take him down
You would be right if hundreds of them were charging at Ragnos at the same time. There won't be hundreds near him at the same time. 4 to 5 at max. The rest will have to wait until one dies, and in the mean time hope to survive the crossfire of the HK's.
How can the Jedi "combine all their power"?
-- They aren't all going to be in the same room; the Temple is vast. As Illustrious puts it, not every room is as big as the Chamber of Moria, which would be the necessary size to house ten thousand Knights. Some are going to be training and sparring, others debating and dicussing, still others in deep meditation or in rest, etc. It's not as if thousands of Jedi are going to stand there in the Hall or at the Gates waiting for Ragnos and his battalion of droids to blast down their door.
-- He was that great. He was stated to be 'the most powerful of the most powerful', the ruler of the Ancient Sith Empire at its peak. He ruled over titans in the league of Naga Sadow, of Ludo Kressh. He vanquished the former Dark Lord, Simus, who was the most powerful Sith Magician and warrior of that time. Sith Lords who'd make Yoda shiver governed planets under his rule. And, oh. The two most powerful beings alive after his death feared his damn spirit. Don't talk to me about 'that great'.
-- As I said; he wouldn't be fighting every single Jedi in the Temple at once. And even if he did, the greatest amount of Jedi fighters that would be able to simultaneously attack him is at most, five. He could likely cleave them all down in a stroke or two, brandshing a mighty sword like that, one that is forged and blessed by Sith Magic, the Dark Side itself. Not to mention that, even if a large crowd of Jedi were to attack him, his HK droids and the IG-88s would throw mines and grenades, shoot rockets and blast wrist and back launchers, killing off dozens of Jedi at a time. And that's not even taking into account the Mandalorian Rippers, flamethrowers, heavy assault rifles, heavy blasters, Pulse Cannons, etc., etc. There are maybe twenty or thirty Jedi who, on their own, could defeat even one of these droids. Now they're up against seventy. *cough*owned*cough*
-- Wait a second. . . Marka Ragnos, Dark Lord of the Sith Empire in its peak, Bane of Simus, with a damn spirit that could order around someone who imploded stars, would run out of Force energy against a bunch of saber-swinging nimrods who'd get shot down by a lone bounty hunter? Tsk. Almost every single Jedi at that time uses Niman, the 'Diplomat's Form'. They aren't suited to fighting. A Jedi Master, a Council-level warrior, was taken out in four shots by Jango Fett. Those who aren't Niman practioners are younglings tarining in Shii-Cho, lesser Padawans and Knights, beings that aren't fit to wipe the filth off of Ragnos' boots. There are but a scarce few who can practice other forms with any kind of recognizable proficiency.
- Yoda -- Ataru
- Mace Windu -- Vaapad/Juyo
- Anakin Skywalker -- Djem So/Shien
- Obi-Wan Kenobi -- Soresu
- Kit Fisto -- Shii-Cho
- Luminara Unduli -- Soresu
- Cin Drallig -- Not sure, but he's definetely damn good at something.
- Depa Billaba -- Vaapad/Juyo (To a greatly lesser extent than Windu.)
And out of the above Jedi, none outside of Yoda, and maybe Mace Windu, would last twenty seconds against the leviathan of power that Lord Ragnos is.
So, to sum up this post; Ragnos and his elite, Jedi-killing droid troops, would waste the forces of the Jedi Order.
Although, to be fair, there is one being who could vanquish Ragnos, and with some ease as well. The Lord Artoo, for whom no words are great enough to describe. . .
Do you think that ragnos had unlimited force energy or something, because sorry if i have to break it to you but he would run out of it all long before he killed all of the jedi. And jedi CAN combine their force powers as is seen in episode 3 the video game when anakin helps obi won lift up some wreckage.
- He wasn't that great. He is not invincible and has his limits.
And guess what.... pretty much every niman practicioner died in the battle of geonosis. And way more than five people would be able to fight ragnos at one time. He would probably get cornered or surrounded. And who the hell is artoo because i have never heard of him.
Originally posted by kingkman
And guess what.... pretty much every niman practicioner died in the battle of geonosis. And way more than five people would be able to fight ragnos at one time. He would probably get cornered or surrounded. And who the hell is artoo because i have never heard of him.
Artoo is a pussy.. 😈
Originally posted by kingkman
Do you think that ragnos had unlimited force energy or something, because sorry if i have to break it to you but he would run out of it all long before he killed all of the jedi. And jedi CAN combine their force powers as is seen in episode 3 the video game when anakin helps obi won lift up some wreckage.- He wasn't that great. He is not invincible and has his limits.
And guess what.... pretty much every niman practicioner died in the battle of geonosis. And way more than five people would be able to fight ragnos at one time. He would probably get cornered or surrounded. And who the hell is artoo because i have never heard of him.
How could they? What would they do jump on him? Not the Jedi way.
Besides there are a shit load of droids, great droids at that shooting at the Jedi at the same time, shooting rockets using a flamethrower and god knows what kind of other shit just to get them away. Ragnos would not fight alot of them but he would cut through those he fights in seconds.
Holy . . .
That is completely different. Completely. That is two Jedi trying to do lift a starfighter. That's like when two people try to lift a heavy load or something.
Trying to do something like that to Ragnos would be like having those same two try to coordinate their kicks and punches to the same timing in an effort to take down an elephant.
-- Do you have absolutely anything to support yourself here? All I've seen is opinions; nothing solid behind it.
Thank you for just making a point against yourself for me. Except that those were out of the spare 200 Jedi that travelled to Geonosis. You're a fool if you think they were the only Niman practioners in the Order. And think about this; out of the 200 Jedi who arrived at Geonosis, only 15 survived the initial fight. Shot down by bloody weak droids.
Use your head. How would more than five people be able to simultaneously fight Ragnos withing melee range? There could be thirty people trying to engage him, but they wouldn't all be able to swing and hit him at the same time, now would they? They'd have to wait for their cronies to die, and then it'd be their turn.
Sure. Corner and surround a guy who could simply bri -- never mind. You just refuse to get certain things through your head, and won't admit anything otherwise. I'd be okay with that if you at least had logic and reasoning that made me think just a wee bit.
Oh my god. . . Artoo. R2-D2. he God of all Gods. Never mind, you're new. But here, Lord Artoo is sacred. Respect him, or feel his wrath!!
Right so you made him up. And faunus you seem to miss some facts. maybe im right, maybe im wrong. But the fact is i have a lot more logic than you. If i was argueing for ragnos i could put up a way more convincing arguement than you. And if you had to argue against ragnos you would never be able to put up an arguement like me. At least i haven't nade any mistakes which is more than i can say for you for example the bit about niman practitioners. At least i am going against the odds and still making points whereas you are the first to say something unprofessional when it comes to these forums by saying i have no logic. What you should have done is argue your case a bit more, but im guessing you couldn't.
Originally posted by kingkman
Right so you made him up. And faunus you seem to miss some facts. maybe im right, maybe im wrong. But the fact is i have a lot more logic than you. If i was argueing for ragnos i could put up a way more convincing arguement than you. And if you had to argue against ragnos you would never be able to put up an arguement like me. At least i haven't nade any mistakes which is more than i can say for you for example the bit about niman practitioners. At least i am going against the odds and still making points whereas you are the first to say something unprofessional when it comes to these forums by saying i have no logic. What you should have done is argue your case a bit more, but im guessing you couldn't.
You really are an idiot, you haven't made one point yet. You instead refuse to see any logic brought in by others, and you are right now turning it around. You haven't given me one reason that hasn't been destroyed a thousand times already. You lose this debate boy, you already lost. Trying to turn it around won't make you or your side win.
And yes two jedi were able to enhance their force powers so i think its safe to say that perhaps ten would be bale to do the same thing. I have given opinions and facts. Just like yourself as well. and what point did i make that goes against my argument because i really want to know. And when you said Corner and surround a guy who could simply bri -- never mind, finish your sentence because i don't think you had anything pretty reliable to say. Ragnos was great but he wasn't invincible and he had weaknesses. I think it is you who needs to accept some facts because you seem to think he was invincible and had no weaknesses