Originally posted by Eminence
Can you people cut this bullshit so H actually sees my post?kthx
I saw it, and although I can understand that you may not have been as good of a debater as you are now (and I admit that you're a pretty good debater), a 13 year old that's into SW should be able to realize that Ragnos can't solo the entire Jedi Order.
This isn't supposed to be offensive to you though, I just bumped this to show how far we've come...somebody else did this to an Exar Kun vs Yoda and Vader thread and nobody minded. I'd be willing to bet you that you wouldn't mind at all if Lord Lucien did this.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
[B]I saw it, and although I can understand that you may not have been as good of a debater as you are now (and I admit that you're a pretty good debater), a 13 year old that's into SW should be able to realize that Ragnos can't solo the entire Jedi Order.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Because Ragnos seemed uber and I wouldn't know how to use evidence or logical analysis?
1. How did Ragnos seem uber when you didn't know anything about him other than that he was a pretty powerful sith that ruled for a long time?
2. Even if he was uber, THE ENTIRE JEDI ORDER?????? Think about it. How does anybody take the entire Jedi Order?
Again, although it may seem like otherwise, my intention was not to insult anyone. It was simply to show how ridiculous the ancient sith fanboyism was in those days.
HewhoknowsallDid you even read this?
I saw it, and although I can understand that you may not have been as good of a debater as you are now (and I admit that you're a pretty good debater), a 13 year old that's into SW should be able to realize that Ragnos can't solo the entire Jedi Order.
Eminence
I'm going to explain this to you once.When people join this forum, by and large, they are stupid. This phenomenon is attributable primarily to two factors: age and inexperience, which, as even you should understand, tend to come as a package. As of the beginning of this thread, I'd just finished the eighth grade. I'd never been in any sort of [semi]formal debate in my life. That isn't to say I'd never argued anything of significance, but I hadn't developed any notable capacity for consistent logical analysis and complex reasoning. This is the case for most of the people present now who joined in '05 or '06.
I can't speak for Janus, Illustrious, or some of the older members in this matter; considering the age gap and the fact that outside Star Wars - Sorgo and later the impossibly retarded dumbfvck known as tdtd aside - they'd established themselves early on as being far more capable logicians than I, I'm at a loss as to why they ever came to many of the conclusions they did.
For the most part, they're also no longer here. This is key, because it means the progenitors of the ideas in question aren't the ones you're harassing. When it comes to their reasoning and motivations, I'm a secondary source at best.
What I can tell you is that the authority and assertiveness they demonstrated, not to mention that they were easy to get along with if you were on their good side, made it very easy for the rest of us to slip into line with their mentality. The discrepancies between the movies and EU in terms of what was depicted as being "impressive" - throwing Senate pods vs. blowing up stars - and the manner in which this information was presented to us - I, at least, had never seen the material when I joined, and was familiarized with it only through selected scans and Wiki over the next few months - made it even easier. Add to that the fact that [color=blue]none of us had seen or heard of the passages or even sources that Lightsnake eventually brought to the table - meaning there was no competition to the ideas we worked with and therefore nothing challenging the status quo[/color] - and the line of thought expressed in this thread became, to us, perfectly justified. More than that, it became gospel. This is made evident in my earliest analysis of Lightsnake's case:
[quote]Me 2005
[b]The thing is, there isn't much presentable proof that goes against this. Most of [the resistance] is from a mindset that won't budge, and logical analysis.
Now, do you know how much of an incompetent moron you arewere when you joined? Do you understand how mind numbingly stupid most of the positions you take now are?
I suspect not.
In two or three years, by which point you'll hopefully have had the benefit of education, growth, and introspection, you'll probably facepalm your head off your shoulders. The rest of us all know how things were, we all got past it, and none of us care anymore. If you want to look back four or five years and mock the people who currently rape you routinely, that's your call.
But if you were genuinely looking for an answer, you just got as close to one as you're likely ever to get.
Now, given that I don't find you nearly as amusing as Gideon does, any response to this post not expressing a sentiment along the lines of "I understand" gets you put on Ignore. I don't have the patience for this anymore. [/B][/QUOTE]And this? "I just bumped this to show how far we've come..."? We all know. We were all here. You've spent the past nine months digging this shit up and trying to vilify us. Lord Lucien... doesn't. If Lord Lucien were more like you, then yes, I would care.
Now, how old are you?
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallHWNA. We know this. We just don't care. *shrugs*.
Eminence: What I don't think you understand is that this isn't supposed to be a jab at you. On the contrary, I said that you're a good debater. What I'm trying to show is how crazy and ridiculous the ancient sith fanboyism was back then.