What is Fate?

Originally posted by Biscuit
fate according to the oxford concise is 'a power regarded as predetermining events unalterably' i think that means that fate determines everything that happens, and its inevitable, but i dno. To me its just the belief that everything happens for a reason

And its faith not fate.

anyone believing in fate is fooling themselves and allowing external forces real or imagined to determine how they should or shouldn't live their lives...i will die one day, but that's not fate or destiny...just a proven fact of our mortality.

but to say i'm fated to do this or do that is just saying my life is not my own...if we cannot determine how we live our lives, then really, what's the point of living or even trying if it's already fated? Kinda takes the surprise outta life dont' ya think?

fate is a certainty, a fact that no being, not even god himself can escape.
anyone who thinks he/she/it is not bound by fate is a fool. no logic can be made or forced out of this. it is what it is, call it the ULTIMATE force, one that surpasses but is eternally bound by existance. there is almost no1 who has gone up against it, for everything is bound by fate's little angel............TIME, the tool of predestination.

lol, now dont u think im a deep person?

Originally posted by Biscuit
I believe in fate, but i dont believe in God. But aren't they just different names for the same thing? 😕

There are levels of structure just below the surface of reality that we don't yet perceive or understand. Science is currently not prepared to enter these depths but that doesnt mean you cannot explore there yourself.

Imo, "Fate" is a kind of convergence of long-standing forces and predisposing currents that exist in this realm and these can sometimes have a profound effect on someones life. This is why you feel yourself to be "carried along" or are just going "for a "ride" in life so to speak. Imo, for most people, these currents have an expansive, broad stroke kind of quality about them generally and so it's not like they will determine everything that happens to you, right down to the details of your life. They may move you in one direction or another like a wind blowing the sails of a sailing ship, but it's still you that will steer the ship and try to get to where you want to or must go in your life at its various stages.

You make decisions, thousands of them each day, and over time, just how you decided and what you did and the outcome of all your actions, will add up in very important ways to define who you are, what you're doing, what you're immediate prospects are, etc. It's possible I geuss that the winds of fate or the magnitude of events occuring in the lives of SOME people are such that they overwelm or "trump" things that such an individual person is doing to steer their own lifes direction. Then, you really are at the hands of fate. BUT in general I don't think thats the way it is for most of us. For good or for bad, WE, are the authors of our own fate.

Fate is what you aught not to become - avoid fate at all times, because fate is the thing you fear the most. It's all about what you think - your thoughts create your future...so, if you think you are fated, you will be, but if you do not think so, then you won't be fated...

A person can change their outcome to a more positive one by accessing the positives in the world and in their thoughts (thoughts have form)...just as a person can do with negatives....It's all choices...not fate.

Yes, but you can choose fate. But can you really choose the choices you make?

Originally posted by Wonderer
Yes, but you can choose fate. But can you really choose the choices you make?

I think you can especially if you live in the present moment......Every moment is the "real" part of living with a multitudes of choices...always choices...constant forks in the road....This way, we are not reenacting from our experiences by too much thinking from the past or future (hell)..but living in our true "now".....This way you are creating....

If that makes sense.

Yes, but can you choose your choices, or do they choose you?

Originally posted by Wonderer
Yes, but can you choose your choices, or do they choose you?

I believe we choose for the most part...though depending on ones belief...there is Karma or some may say there are things that we've chosen that are called "contracts"...that we've chosen for what ever reason...for growth or experience...

A few beliefs anyway.

Ok, let's say then that we choose the forces that choose our choices for us that we are responsible for, which in turn choose our forces, which choose our choices for us that we are reponsible for, which in turn choose our forces...

😂 😄 OK

Originally posted by Wonderer
Yes, but can you choose your choices, or do they choose you?

Good question. Maybe that depends on what choosing means, for me choice is a ability that our consciousness have, stones don´t choose, we choose. If our choices choose us then choice is not an ability of our consciousness anymore. Can that be truth ?

Originally posted by Biscuit
I believe in fate, but i dont believe in God. But aren't they just different names for the same thing? 😕

No. Where fate is the choice made for you, God is the choice given to you.

Originally posted by AOR
No. Where fate is the choice made for you, God is the choice given to you.

?????? 😕 God is not a choice. God is everything. ????????

Originally posted by Biscuit
I believe in fate, but i dont believe in God. But aren't they just different names for the same thing? 😕

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
?????? 😕 God is not a choice. God is everything. ????????

You misunderstood, God is everything yes, but we can choose God. That's what makes him so great...

We all misunderstand if we don't realize there is nothing that is NOT God.

Question:

Is God omnipresent or not?

If not, then the implication is that there is something or someone outside of God, separate from God, independent from God. Right?

If so, then God ISN'T omnipresent is he?

So, can God really be God if in fact he isn't everywhere?

I mean, I thought God was God because he has NO limitations, of ANY quality or quantity. Right?

That is to say, if one of the qualities of God is his infinite nature. . .

See what I mean?

So . . . what ARE the implications then?

Get it?

I know I know!

Believe me, I know and it bothers me too. Not "bothers" bother but "funny" bothers as if therein lies the ultimate answer to everything or at least the framework for the beginnings of your own personal philosophy, cosmology and canon for living.

Ex nihilo nihil fit!

Originally posted by AOR
You misunderstood, God is everything yes, but we can choose God. That's what makes him so great...

To say we can choose God is to say we can be without God, and that is to say that God is not everything.

Originally posted by jOHN_Anderton
We all misunderstand if we don't realize there is nothing that is NOT God.

Question:

Is God omnipresent or not?

If not, then the implication is that there is something or someone outside of God, separate from God, independent from God. Right?

If so, then God ISN'T omnipresent is he?

So, can God really be God if in fact he isn't everywhere?

I mean, I thought God was God because he has NO limitations, of ANY quality or quantity. Right?

That is to say, if one of the qualities of God is his infinite nature. . .

See what I mean?

So . . . what ARE the implications then?

Get it?

I know I know!

Believe me, I know and it bothers me too. Not "bothers" bother but "funny" bothers as if therein lies the ultimate answer to everything or at least the framework for the beginnings of your own personal philosophy, cosmology and canon for living.

Ex nihilo nihil fit!

You are correct... but the Christian god is very limited. He can not even forgive those who do not ask for forgiveness. Also, he is limited by sex. 😄