What is Fate?

maybe its not fate i believe in then, but i do believe that things that happen cannot be changed. people are always asking what we would change if we wer givin the chance to do something again, but imo if we change even the slightest thing it could have the most drastic effects.
If we are faced with a decision, i dont believe that there is a right or wrong choice to make, we'll decide based on what we believe at the time but if later we then reflect on our decisions and decide that, if faced with that particular decision again, we would choose differently, this doesnt mean that we chose wrong in the first place because that choice had major effects on our life (even if we dont know it ) and, had we chosen differently at first we may never have become the same person we are today.
Is this Fate ?

Here is a view from my stance -

Fate is basically Karma. An effect of a certain cause.

However, you believe that things cannot be changed - which is a direct contradiction with my view of Karma...

You don;'t need to believe in sole creator to believe in Fate - in fact those two contradict - if a sole creator is testing us and is all knowing, then he must know what will happen, thus the test he is setting us is in vain as we cannot chance our destiny.

i dont believe that things cannot be changed, they CAN be changed in the future, but not in the past. cause and effect is a good way of describing it actually - once the effect has happened, the cause cannot be changed, but something else can happen that reverses that effect, however this also causes other things.
Basically - no regrets! cos things that have happened are in the past and can only be changed in the future

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Here is a view from my stance -

Fate is basically Karma. An effect of a certain cause.

However, you believe that things cannot be changed - which is a direct contradiction with my view of Karma...

You don;'t need to believe in sole creator to believe in Fate - in fact those two contradict - if a sole creator is testing us and is all knowing, then he must know what will happen, thus the test he is setting us is in vain as we cannot chance our destiny.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Why must it be Karma?...Why can't it be, if we are all connected to all there is, that we also are part of the decision making in reincarnation on what we would like to experience....Karma to me is a judgment of some sort....Not by ourselves, which would take us out of the creation/creative process...

You are partly wrong and partly right.

Karma is not a judgment of any kind.

Yes, we are connected. Each of us have our own karma, but all together we share a common karma.

Common Karma
Say that three times feal fast.

NO....I thought Karma is "If you didn't learn the first time then you go through it again"....or "if you were wrong there will be a payback in your next life..."

Theres no such thing as making a wrong decision in your life. Its your life, u can live it however u want

Originally posted by debbiejo
Why must it be Karma?...Why can't it be, if we are all connected to all there is, that we also are part of the decision making in reincarnation on what we would like to experience....Karma to me is a judgment of some sort....Not by ourselves, which would take us out of the creation/creative process...

Originally posted by debbiejo
NO....I thought Karma is "If you didn't learn the first time then you go through it again"....or "if you were wrong there will be a payback in your next life..."

Nope, you are actually wrong.

Karma, from Buddhist stance means cause and effect - you will reap what you sow - nothing to do with punishment.

Karma cannot be a punishment because that undermines the good Karma, such as if you do a lot of work for University your excellent grade is your Karma - cause and effect.

Its a common misconception about Karma - unless you are a hindu - Buddhist understanding of Karma is cause and effect.

I think Jesus mentioned something aobut that - those who lvie by the sword will die by the sword, or something similar.
It basically means that.

I don't too much about Karma, so let me ask this....If you were a Hitler then would you be reincarnated in like lets say a chicken....Or is it like if you were born into poverty and made the best of it, then in your next life you would be born more with prosperous things coming your way.

See to me, if there is some kind of reincarnation....you would be more in control of your next adventure in life for the purpose of experiencing what you want....still part of the creation process...Let say Living in a "heavenly" type place, would and could get boring, so you decided "I want to see what it's like to OVER COME something"...so you chose to be born with addiction tendencies.....do you see what I mean.?

Originally posted by debbiejo
I don't too much about Karma, so let me ask this....If you were a Hitler then would you be reincarnated in like lets say a chicken....Or is it like if you were born into poverty and made the best of it, then in your next life you would be born more with prosperous things coming your way.

See to me, if there is some kind of reincarnation....you would be more in control of your next adventure in life for the purpose of experiencing what you want....still part of the creation process...Let say Living in a "heavenly" type place, would and could get boring, so you decided "I want to see what it's like to OVER COME something"...so you chose to be born with addiction tendencies.....do you see what I mean.?

Hitler chicken 😂

Sorry, ahem...

This isnt true for all branches of Buddhism, but in the ralms of superstition within buddhism, here it is -

you probably have heard of the Rebirth within Buddhism and the 31 realms. Im not sure what each of them is specifficaly, but i do know they are devided in the 6 main ones -

3 favourable realms and 3 unfavourable realms.

3 Unfavourable realms, one can be reborn into are hellish beings, hungry ghosts and animals.

3 Favurable realms one would consider favurable to be reborn in are human beings, demi-gods and gods.

I'll go quick through what each one of them are -

Hellish Beings, which i would assuyme hitler would be placed in are people in suffering caused by ill-will, constant killing, hateret, cruelty, etc. The being suffers here until its bad karma is exausted. So until hitler in this instance pays for the ill-will he has done, he will be a Hellish being - once his Karma is cleared, he will be reborn again with the oppertunity to chance that.

Hungry ghosts realm is born of those whos Karma was consisted of greed. They are said to suffer from hunger, thirst and cold all the time. When they see food or water, they run towards it, but it dissapears in front of their eyes - as i said, that hungry ghost karma is born of extreame greed

Then you have animals - being reborn into an animal is the intent supression of knowledge - ignorance, the utter desire and over ezting, over sexually desiering overdoing in a sinister way all the animal desires. Animals suffer because they kill each other for food, they are killed by humans for food etc and if they are not killed, they are domesticated and forced to work for a man till they die.

The 3 favourable ralms are humans , demi-gods and gods.

Being born into a demi-god means greater intelect, greater strenght, but also jealousy of the Gods - it is a constant competition between them, and while they are superiour they are also in conflict.

Being reborn into a God means the superme knowledge and intelect, but also great pride - being a god, although favourable, once the cycle of birth kicks in, and the being is reborn into something else, the fall from such hights is an undescribable suffering.

The best one to be reborn in is human out of the six. Because Humans make their Karma - they cause and effect - they can dictate acording to their karma where they will be reborn.

The point is to brake this cycle - the point is not to to reborn into God or demi-god - hecause as soon as the good Karma is exaused, the person is reborn into a different realm. The point is to brake this cycle of rebirth - to become enlightened.

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As i already said, this is NOT the case for all branches of Buddhism.

Thank you.....and BTW...it was shaky that said he does't feel bad about eating chicken, cause he just imagines them all evil Hitles reincarnated over and over again... 😂

😂

I guess i dont either, i love chicken droolio

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

The best one to be reborn in is human out of the six. Because Humans make their Karma - they cause and effect - they can dictate acording to their karma where they will be reborn.

The point is to brake this cycle - the point is not to to reborn into God or demi-god - hecause as soon as the good Karma is exaused, the person is reborn into a different realm. The point is to brake this cycle of rebirth - to become enlightened.

I didn´t know about that of the six realms, its very interesting.

In fact, it explain things that happen in my life, but are hard to perceive, for example, I think that we are always trying to be to much, or to know too much like if we were trying to be Gods or demi-gods, and for me it seems that our "falls" happen because of that.

I don´t think its wrong to want to be to much, but it cause many problems. In my life at least I usually have extremelly good days, and extremelly bad days, not that I am too much but maybe I am always trying to be, just like everyone else does. Maybe these extremes of good, and bad are correlated, like in "as soon as the good Karma is exaused, the person is reborn into a different realm."

For most of the Buddhism there is no such thing as a physical Hell, its more of a mental state, i think.

Im not sure if same applies to this view - i would hope so, but yeah it is very interesting.

Iv been reading up on Satre and his opinion is that everyone is responsible for evrything they do, despite being influenced by other things, any choice you make has been made by you, you cannot be forced against your will- it is your choice to succumb and anything you want to achieve can easily be done if you are determined enough -you have the abilty to shape your own future and to overcome any obstacles that might be placed in your way.
He thinks that by believing that an external force is responsible for determining your path in life you are merely avoiding the responsibility of being in control, or you are shying away from bearing the consequences of your actions.
He believes that you can be whatever you want to be and that you are directly responsible for whatever you are, or become. So if you are a coward, it is because you are chosing to be a coward; if you are scared of something, it means you are chosing to be scared of it.
Essentially the idea is that we are all in control of our own personal lives and that we are responsible for identifying, pursuing and achieving our own destiny.

Originally posted by Biscuit
Iv been reading up on Satre and his opinion is that everyone is responsible for evrything they do, despite being influenced by other things, any choice you make has been made by you, you cannot be forced against your will- it is your choice to succumb and anything you want to achieve can easily be done if you are determined enough -you have the abilty to shape your own future and to overcome any obstacles that might be placed in your way.
He thinks that by believing that an external force is responsible for determining your path in life you are merely avoiding the responsibility of being in control, or you are shying away from bearing the consequences of your actions.
He believes that you can be whatever you want to be and that you are directly responsible for whatever you are, or become. So if you are a coward, it is because you are chosing to be a coward; if you are scared of something, it means you are chosing to be scared of it.
Essentially the idea is that we are all in control of our own personal lives and that we are responsible for identifying, pursuing and achieving our own destiny.

You now have hold of the most powerful tool you will ever have in your life. Self-responsibility is the key for the start of a journey of enlightenment. 😄

If you are responsible, you can change for the better. You will still make mistakes, but will be able to learn from them. If you take this belief to heart, you will have a powerful life.

All this silly theories about the re-incarnation into animals, hell beings, etc. is totally a misinterpretation about Buddhism: for one thing, Buddhism does NOT teach re-incarnation, but it teaches rebirth within one's life into different states or conditions of the mind and kamma(not karma) effected-conditions of one's environment.

Well with the Hitlers thing...though it's called cause and effect, to me something is making the decision of what is to be done with him..to be in the hellish realms...

I've heard of another view of reincarnation which is that at ones dead which would bring you back to the source of all there is...you're life is reviewed with other for the incites and choices you've made, and then you decided if you would want to reincarnate with certain "Contracts" being attached to yourself...Contracts are the things in which you chose to experience like being born with addictions lets say for the purpose of overcoming them...and the lesson in that life would be a life of "Overcoming"...Could be overcoming many things.....But the idea is that you picked it yourself...and there is no judgment involved in this....You could also chose NOT to reincarnate, or later on reincarnate.