Cassandra Nova vs Martian Manhunter

Originally posted by MrMind
Cassandra nova isn't going to mind rape MM. MM is way more powerful TP than professor x.. the dude penetrated the mind of dr fate and freaking spectre. temporarily made the joker sane. he's one of the most powerful telepath in dc. if Mageddon couldn't mindrape MM, cassandra nova sure can't
And she's not copying his DNA either, Martian can alter their body structure and DNA.
there're so many ways for MM to kill her. like martian vision, or simply punch her in the face.

As far as martian vision or 'punching her in the face', Cassandra can phase and heal past any physical attacks, so that route of debate is pretty much moot.

Originally posted by Existere
Cassandra isn't equal to Xavier, she's outright superior to an Xavier that's using cerebra (and therefore amping his psychic power to the tenth degree).

As far as martian vision or 'punching her in the face', Cassandra can phase and heal past any physical attacks, so that route of debate is pretty much moot.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Manhunter will mindrape himself the minute he touches Cassandra Nova's mind. He's not navigating around those booby traps if Charles and Jean manifesting the Phoenix couldn't.

Originally posted by MrMind
I never said she's equal to him
simple fact is she's not fast enough to react to martian, she needs to react to do all the stuff you named. martian for the instant kill

Originally posted by Existere
Because J'onn is in the habit of instantly speed-punching his foes to death, right?

Originally posted by MrMind
simple knock out will do

Also, in order to move slow enough that he would just knock her out (which, given that her body isn't human and her insta-heal nature, isn't a given), she'd have time to phase regardless, making this once again a pointless discussion.

This battle is all telepathic.

Originally posted by Existere
Because J'onn's in the habit of speedblitzing, right?

Also, in order to move slow enough that he would just knock her out (which, given that her body isn't human and her insta-heal nature, isn't a given), she'd have time to phase regardless, making this once again a pointless discussion.

This battle is all telepathic.

Originally posted by MrMind
no, he can control his strength, while going super speed.

Originally posted by inimalist
is this the consensus opinion?

and regarding the other points in this thread:
shapeshifters can be affected by TP just just fine in the MU and chuck already made it clear that mistique's powers can only cloud his mindreading, but that he could shut her mind or motor functions, for instance, just fine. She has no defense against offensive TP.

in terms of defense agaisnt physical atatcks, Nova has intangibilty, the energy armor with which she beat the shit out of gladiator and rolled over the imperial guard and super healing factor. so her defense will hold just fine to allow her to contend with him.

offensivelly she has matter desintegration/TK and heatbursts

according to chuck her mind itself was a trap and according to jean it was was a hole where it should be, she JG with phoenix at the same time and swatted chuck aside like a bug.

She wins.

Originally posted by Existere
Evidence of J'onn doing something like that, ever?

Jonz will absorb the earth and increase his strength like he did in Ostrander's run and beat the hell out of the bald woman.

Originally posted by MrMind
you think people like superman or MM can't control their strength while going at super speed?

It's not about what they can do, but what they would do. And Superman is a very different beast than Martian Manhunter.

So, again, evidence of J'onn speedblitzing? Especially speedblitzing with care to just lightly 'tap' them for a KO?

I'll again point out that Cassandra Nova has a major healing factor and that this discussion is pointless, but if you insist on having an exercise in dissecting your flawed logic, we can do so.

Didn't he just speed blitz the female martian in Brightest day?

Originally posted by Existere
Strawman.

It's not about what they can do, but what they would do. And Superman is a very different beast than Martian Manhunter.

So, again, evidence of J'onn speedblitzing? Especially speedblitzing with care to just lightly 'tap' them for a KO?

I'll again point out that Cassandra Nova has a major healing factor and that this discussion is pointless, but if you insist on having an exercise in dissecting your flawed logic, we can do so.

and the easiest and most likely way j'onn will end this battle. healing factor doesn't mean anything if MM can just KO her.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Didn't he just speed blitz the female martian in Brightest day?

Originally posted by MrMind
J'onn speedblitze numerous time before.
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomic167.jpg
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomic168.jpg
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomic169.jpg

Try again though.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So apparently Martian Manhunter is a more powerful telepath than Xavier. How does he fare against Xavier's mummudrai - his evil twin - Cassandra Nova? No prep.

Originally posted by Existere
Lol. That's the one feat that Jim (Martian Mind) posted in the respect thread that indicates J'onn using significant speed in combat, and, for the most part, he's just flying really fast around the world through buildings. Clearly not indicative of regular combat behavior as we'd be looking for in this battle.

Try again though.

Ok.

J'onn speed blitzes ftw.

Originally posted by batdude123
Ok.

J'onn speed blitzes ftw.

Originally posted by Existere
Lol. That's the one feat that Jim (Martian Mind) posted in the respect thread that indicates J'onn using significant speed in combat, and, for the most part, he's just flying really fast around the world through buildings. Clearly not indicative of regular combat behavior as we'd be looking for in this battle.

Try again though.

Originally posted by MrMind
yes MM is very different than superman because MM is willing to kill. when in battle forum, 2 characters fight in full capacity, why can't MM speedblitze the old lady, why do I need evidence of MM speedblize ko? it's like tell me to show evidence of superman speedblize some random thugs ko them. everybody knows superman can do that. that's the fastest way to take out the opponents. it's easily within J'onn's ability to do so.

and the easiest and most likely way j'onn will end this battle. healing factor doesn't mean anything if MM can just KO her.

Originally posted by Existere
Solid attempt.

Concession accepted.

vin