Cassandra Nova vs Martian Manhunter

Originally posted by Allankles
Because he can resist an assault from a weapon designed by gods to warp with people's minds. He can also resist concerted TP attacks from several other martians. His TP is potent enough to affect god like beings, well above the level of the Shiar, Mageddon and the Spectre come to mind.

Can Nova resist a god entity like Mageddon? I think you're underestimating MM if you think Nova will override defenses that many beings similar to MM or above him have failed to do.

Except what about all those times Manhunter has been mindraped? Consistentcy is key. Cassandra Nova has consistency on her side.

How many of those Martians had feats? If you want to go by no-named featless powerhouses just look to the Sh'iar Empire. The Imperial guard is huge.

And again, it's not a matter of power it's a matter of skill. And if Charles and a competenent Phoenix Jean got curbstomped by her booby trapped mind then Manhunter isn't doing any better TP wise.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I think their telepathy is stronger then planetary.

How is that above planetary?

Originally posted by Allankles
How is that above planetary?

His wave travels from Earth to the Shi'ar Empire. Look at how long it took Vulcan to get to the Shi'ar Empire, he had to eventually take a warp gate after being captured. It's very far away from Earth.

See other scan too.

Originally posted by Allankles
Because he can resist an assault from a weapon designed by gods to warp with people's minds. He can also resist concerted TP attacks from several other martians. His TP is potent enough to affect god like beings, well above the level of the Shiar, Mageddon and the Spectre come to mind.

Can Nova resist a god entity like Mageddon? I think you're underestimating MM if you think Nova will override defenses that many beings similar to MM or above him have failed to do.

Attaching the word "god" or "god-like" to statements doesn't indicate a level of impressiveness in a comic book world, and besides that modifier there's very little to go on in this post to back up the belief that J'onn can't be mindraped.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Except what about all those times Manhunter has been mindraped? Consistentcy is key. Cassandra Nova has consistency on her side.

How many of those Martians had feats? If you want to go by no-named featless powerhouses just look to the Sh'iar Empire. The Imperial guard is huge.

Oh, I know he's been affected by TP, but I look at that as par for course with being a hero. TP is esoteric, you can't look at it in the same way you look at physical performance. It is a concentration thing imo. No reason why he wouldn't be at his best in a forum battle.

Mageddon could easily mind warp on a planetary scale, he screwed up the Old Gods in their time, beings that were described as dwarfing all the 3rd and 4th world gods in power.

The Shiar are nowhere near them in power, let's be honest about that.

Originally posted by Allankles
Oh, I know he's been affected by TP, but I look at that as par for course with being a hero. TP is esoteric, you can't look at it in the same way you look at physical performance. It is a concentration thing imo. No reason why he wouldn't be at his best in a forum battle.

Mageddon could easily mind warp on a planetary scale, he screwed up the Old Gods in their time, beings that were described as dwarfing all the 3rd and 4th world gods in power.

The Shiar are nowhere near them in power, let's be honest about that.

I wouldn't look at it that way. I look at it as fixing powers to fit the story. The same could be said about Xavier and those feats I showed above. He has another one where he contacted the Stranger who was off visiting worlds. This was before Magneto warped the Earth to inhibit long ranged telepathy. But it's obviously to fit the story. Consistency is key...take the average.

Have you not looked throught he Shi'ar powersets? Do you know that each member is from a separate planet all who have the same ability. The Sh'iar have stand ins. Millions. For each member that dies they can replace them. Those Martians are no-named nobodies as well.

Originally posted by Existere
Feel free to actually mention why any of what you've named is impressive. Feats for these 'god like' beings telepathy resistance would be nice.

Attaching the word "god" or "god-like" to statements doesn't indicate a level of impressiveness in a comic book world, and besides that modifier there's very little to go on in this post to back up the belief that J'onn can't be mindraped.

They were the 2nd world gods their war destroyed their world in Ragnarok, said destruction reverberated through the cosmos for eons in the form of the godwave. An energy wave that is responsible for the powers of the third world gods (Greek, Norse, Egyptian etc) and also beings like the Oans and Kryptonians.

You can't compare the Shiar to them. As far TP resistance goes, if the younger gods have TP resistance (as a group by the way they're all trained to have TP resistance at least the dark gods) why wouldn't their more powerful predecessors?

So, can Cassandra mind rape MM when he's in intangible mode? IIRC, he hided his thoughts when he was doing this.

BTW, Shiar suck ass.

Originally posted by Allankles
They were the 2nd world gods their war destroyed their world in Ragnarok, said destruction reverberated through the cosmos for eons in the form of the godwave. An energy wave that is responsible for the powers of the third world gods (Greek, Norse, Egyptian etc) and also beings like the Oans and Kryptonians.

You can't compare the Shiar to them. As far TP resistance goes, if the younger gods have TP resistance (as a group by the way they're all trained to have TP resistance at least the dark gods) why wouldn't their more powerful predecessors?

Conversely, Psylocke could take out those heralds and she's a mid meta.

Psychic resistance (or lack of it) is not indicative of power, nor is power indicative of psychic resistance.

Cassandra has actual feats of steamrolling through super advanced mind shielding, through the entirety of the Shi'Ar imperial guard, through Professor X and a Jean Grey that's manifesting the Phoenix, and through an Xavier that's using Cerebra (which amplifies his power to the tenth degree)

Nothing that you've stated indicates that J'onn possesses the type of skill or shielding strong enough to repel the level of psi that could do that with the ease that she did.

Originally posted by Allankles
Because he can resist an assault from a weapon designed by gods to warp with people's minds. He can also resist concerted TP attacks from several other martians. His TP is potent enough to affect god like beings, well above the level of the Shiar, Mageddon and the Spectre come to mind.

Can Nova resist a god entity like Mageddon? I think you're underestimating MM if you think Nova will override defenses that many beings similar to MM or above him have failed to do.

Don't forget Despero. Since he has been reborn, he can use that special attack.

was gonna make a new thread on this but im at a limit with daily thread making

so....bump

^ Too bad you weren't also suffering a limit with just post making. grumpy