Lucifer and Michael vs. Great Evil Beast

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix Force is Marvels Source as was made quite clear in the crossover. In Marvel itself this was supported by phoenix being referred to as tiphereth and by the fact that its been stated that all creation stems from phoenix and draws sustenance from it. The Presence just like the Source and the Word are aspects of god. You should try reading DC Kg its really quite good. I took the advice of a few people on here and have read the whole of the Lucifer and Sandman series which deal with God, the brothers and other dc cosmics.

So Phoenix is the Source.

but Presence is > Source

And why do you think I don't read DC much.

Because am always debating for marvel?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
That supposition line is getting tired mate. When you have sufficient counter material as opposed to immaterial word play then i'll give you the time of day 😱 😂

I don't need to counter supposition, you have proved nothing 🙂

Originally posted by kgkg
i do read Vertigo.

So Phoenix is the Source.

but Presence is > Source

dont mistake role and purpose for power. They are all just aspects of Yahweh. One need only read Lucifer to find that out.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
I don't need to counter supposition, you have proved nothing 🙂

Says you. Thats your opinion and i have mine as do others and im loving how theyve expressed it on the specific hierarchy thread 😱 😂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
dont mistake role and purpose for power. They are all just aspects of Yahweh. One need only read Lucifer to find that out.

and where did you get the idea that Yahweh is greater than the Presence.

If anything Presence is Yahweh.

Originally posted by kgkg
Yahweh is jewish(or something) for GOD

and where did you get the idea that Yahweh is greater than the Presence.

If anything Presence is Yahweh.

Sorry guys can i have the name of the explosion that killed St Mich. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Says you. Thats your opinion and i have mine as do others and im loving how theyve expressed it on the specific hierarchy thread 😱 😂

some people may agree with your idea at least as many others have made it clear, they do not. 🙂

Originally posted by kgkg
Yahweh is jewish(or something) for GOD

and where did you get the idea that Yahweh is greater than the Presence.

If anything Presence is Yahweh.

The Dc god is based on Kaballah. The brothers involvement in the making of creation all stems from Kaballah. Keter means crown.It is the crown of creation,because it stays on top of creation without being part of it,as the crown over the head. Every Sephirah is a gate, and Keter is the gate between the Unmanifest and the world being accessible to human consciousness. The Divine name of Keter is Eheieh (I Am) which is rendered as Pure Being,or Presence. In the physical world it is represented by the Primum Mobile. For all those who read DC nuff said.

Crown equals Presence. Presence is an aspect of the unmanifest god. An aspect of Yahweh. This was made very clear in Lucifer issue 39. KG i really cant be bothered to type up a long explanation if you give me your e-mail i'll send you the issue. 😂

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
some people may agree with your idea at least as many others have made it clear, they do not. 🙂

And thats cool. Its the ideal situation. It allows for many a fun debate. 😱 😂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And thats cool. Its the ideal situation. It allows for many a fun debate. 😱 😂

agreed GS but remember - "you can fool some of the people some of the time".

hope I helped

🙂

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
agreed GS but remember - "you can fool some of the people some of the time".

hope I helped

🙂

No fooling involved mate. Just a whole lot of talking and a whole lot of educating. You could learn a lot mate. Such a shame. 🙁 🙂 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No fooling involved mate. Just a whole lot of talking and a whole lot of educating. You could learn a lot mate. Such a shame. 🙁 🙂 😱

I doubt it 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No fooling involved mate. Just a whole lot of talking and a whole lot of educating. You could learn a lot mate. Such a shame. 🙁 🙂 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Dc god is based on Kaballah. The brothers involvement in the making of creation all stems from Kaballah. Keter means crown.It is the crown of creation,because it stays on top of creation without being part of it,as the crown over the head. Every Sephirah is a gate, and Keter is the gate between the Unmanifest and the world being accessible to human consciousness. The Divine name of Keter is Eheieh (I Am) which is rendered as Pure Being,or Presence. In the physical world it is represented by the Primum Mobile. For all those who read DC nuff said.

Crown equals Presence. Presence is an aspect of the unmanifest god. An aspect of Yahweh. This was made very clear in Lucifer issue 39. KG i really cant be bothered to type up a long explanation if you give me your e-mail i'll send you the issue. 😂

Originally posted by kgkg
rite now my internet is modem Speed 56k , i will check it out in stores i don't read lots of vertigo , but anyone else can tell me more about this other than you (GS)

indeed they can Kg 🙂

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
indeed they can Kg 🙂

You're the supposedly clued up Dc man. Go on Whirly take the reins. Contribute something of value. 🙄 😂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You're the supposedly clued up Dc man. Go on Whirly take the reins. Contribute something of value. 🙄 😂

OK🙂 What you fail to understand is this that the magic Vertigo titles (Hellblazer, Sandman, Tim Hunter, Lucifer) diverged from mainstream DCU continuity, though they enjoy occasionally borrowing characters. I'm also getting the feeling that the Vertigo titles are diverging from each other as well (this feels natural, for the Vertigo books are very self-empowered; about philosophy rather than iconic characters). For instance, Hellblazer doesn't seem to have noticed the changes wrought in the Lucifer series (despite Constantine's cameo in an early issue). I realise John's affairs are small fry compared to Lucifer's cosmic struggle, but surely the abdication of God and the reforms in Hell must have would have some impact.

🙂 Nuff said

Keep the faith🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘

understand comics

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
OK🙂 What you fail to understand is this that the magic Vertigo titles (Hellblazer, Sandman, Tim Hunter, Lucifer) diverged from mainstream DCU continuity, though they enjoy occasionally borrowing characters. I'm also getting the feeling that the Vertigo titles are diverging from each other as well (this feels natural, for the Vertigo books are very self-empowered; about philosophy rather than iconic characters). For instance, Hellblazer doesn't seem to have noticed the changes wrought in the Lucifer series (despite Constantine's cameo in an early issue). I realise John's affairs are small fry compared to Lucifer's cosmic struggle, but surely the abdication of God and the reforms in Hell must have would have some impact.

🙂 Nuff said

Keep the faith🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘

understand comics

Well until you can prove with issue numbers or scans how Dc's supreme being isnt Yahweh and that the Presence and Source and so on are'nt aspects of Yahweh. Then this really doesnt affect anything ive said if you think about it. Lucifer may or may not correlate with main DC continuity but if the supreme being in it is more or less the same then i aint got no worries. 😱

I look forward to your reply.

Not nearly enough said.

Watch where you place your faith

Take note of what the oppositions argument relies on. 😱 😂 😆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Well until you can prove with issue numbers or scans how Dc's supreme being isnt Yahweh and that the Presence and Source and so on are'nt aspects of Yahweh. Then this really doesnt affect anything ive said if you think about it. Lucifer may or may not correlate with main DC continuity but if the supreme being in it is more or less the same then i aint got no worries. 😱

I look forward to your reply.

Not nearly enough said.

Watch where you place your faith

Take note of what the oppositions argument relies on. 😱 😂 😆

and until you can prove he is - Abdication going unnoticed in mainstream titles the will of god still being followed by the spectre🙂

I will repost this 🙂

as it means as much🙂

Lucifer and continuity

The magic Vertigo titles (Hellblazer, Sandman, Tim Hunter, Lucifer) diverged from mainstream DCU continuity, though they enjoy occasionally borrowing characters. I'm also getting the feeling that the Vertigo titles are diverging from each other as well (this feels natural, for the Vertigo books are very self-empowered; about philosophy rather than iconic characters). For instance, Hellblazer doesn't seem to have noticed the changes wrought in the Lucifer series (despite Constantine's cameo in an early issue). I realise John's affairs are small fry compared to Lucifer's cosmic struggle, but surely the abdication of God and the reforms in Hell must have would have some impact.

Keep the faith🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘