Originally posted by Blanket
Wasn't the Mangog incident you're referring to, when Odin was in the Odin Sleep?...
No. I think someone here correctly referred to the one where Odin was weaken by transporting Asgard or something. I don't remember the details. Just the image of Mangog holding up a defeated Odin was burnt in my brains.
Originally posted by h1a8
Because Franklin Richards power is celestial level and Odin's isn't.
Franklin Richards at full power, fully evolved, could rival a celestial. He is a mutant and needs to grow to come anywhere NEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR that level.
Originally posted by h1a8Ya, and then he went into the Odinsleep...
No. I think someone here correctly referred to the one where Odin was weaken by transporting Asgard or something. I don't remember the details. Just the image of Mangog holding up a defeated Odin was burnt in my brains.
Lois was holding a 'dead' Superman. Guess she put him in that state.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Well that's just another lie.Franklin Richards at full power, fully evolved, could rival a celestial. He is a mutant and needs to grow to come anywhere NEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR that level.
Onslaught maybe took what he had achieved a large portion of the potential himself. The powers of the other beings he absorbed had already increased to the 10th degree, so why couldn't Franklin Richards power have been increased too.
I'm not saying Onslaught wins this but certainly it would be a good fight.
If Onslaught stands there and let's Odin blast him then he may lose. But if he uses evasive action like teleportation then he has a chance.
IMO, I feel he is a better match for Odin than Thanos is. Plus Onslaught has shields too and just doesn't have to depend on his armor.
Originally posted by Xplosive
That is why I said on raw power that he should be above Odin. It wasn't realized because of lack of an experience (and writing of course). You cannot immediately control such enormous power.
How does anyone know that it was due to lack of experience and not because Onslaught outright could not access Franklin's full power? For all we know, Franklin can have subconsciously prevent Onslaught from access his powers. When it comes down to it, the child's power dwarfs the other three's powers combined.
Originally posted by h1a8So in your mind he was weakened by another act and someone beating him is proof of superiority?
No. I think someone here correctly referred to the one where Odin was weaken by transporting Asgard or something. I don't remember the details. Just the image of Mangog holding up a defeated Odin was burnt in my brains.
What? I guess if Batman gets Superman through k-nite then context be damned he is superior.
This logic is trashy.
Originally posted by XplosiveI don't think he demonstrated more power. he potentially might have had more power but he didn't demonstrate anything rivaling Odin's best.
That is why I said on raw power that he should be above Odin. It wasn't realized because of lack of an experience (and writing of course). You cannot immediately control such enormous power.
Originally posted by id369That'[s why he had potential in theory but didn't live long enough to prove greater than Odin power in combat anyways.
Experience is what Onslaught lacked, if he had a better understanding and a stable form. He would prove to be much more formidable, then when he was attacked in his state of transition.Seriously he became raw energy, and just stood their.
There is no theory of potential, when we know Franklin is capable. Heroes Reborn verse was created after Onslaughts death after all.
Originally posted by quanchi112No. When I first posted I couldn't remember any details. All I remembered was Odin being manhandled. Then afterward someone mentioned that Odin was weakened at that time so I conceded. I was wrong. This is old news.
So in your mind he was weakened by another act and someone beating him is proof of superiority?What? I guess if Batman gets Superman through k-nite then context be damned he is superior.
This logic is trashy.
I don't think he demonstrated more power. he potentially might have had more power but he didn't demonstrate anything rivaling Odin's best.That'[s why he had potential in theory but didn't live long enough to prove greater than Odin power in combat anyways.
Potential or not, Onslaught still has the ability to kill Odin, especially if Odin lets him. This doesn't mean he wins, only that he is capable of winning. A slick behind teleportation stab in the back (or head) is a viable tactic. The problem is Onslaught may not fight like that.
Originally posted by h1a8
No. When I first posted I couldn't remember any details. All I remembered was Odin being manhandled. Then afterward someone mentioned that Odin was weakened at that time so I conceded. I was wrong. This is old news.Potential or not, Onslaught still has the ability to kill Odin, especially if Odin lets him. This doesn't mean he wins, only that he is capable of winning. A slick behind teleportation stab in the back (or head) is a viable tactic. The problem is Onslaught may not fight like that.
where in the hell you get this crap from, Onslaught could barely kill the super heroes that he face, hell he got manhandled by a bannerless Hulk. Man get that bullsh** out of here, Odin would have wrecked Onslaught and the heroes at the same time without breaking a sweat.
It's official you have no comic book knowledge what so ever, your theories don't make sense, it's best for you not post onhere until you read some comics or get a brain witch ever comes first, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that.
Originally posted by h1a8You're always wrong. The funny thing is you don't ask for details you just rant away. If you don't remember something don't act like you remember the details or the context. Your routine is old and tired. You are practically the most ignorant poster on this entire board. That's saying something.
No. When I first posted I couldn't remember any details. All I remembered was Odin being manhandled. Then afterward someone mentioned that Odin was weakened at that time so I conceded. I was wrong. This is old news.Potential or not, Onslaught still has the ability to kill Odin, especially if Odin lets him. This doesn't mean he wins, only that he is capable of winning. A slick behind teleportation stab in the back (or head) is a viable tactic. The problem is Onslaught may not fight like that.
What? This isn't mortal kombat or some fighting game. It's not a powerset debate. Odin's more powerful and more durable with what we saw these characters do on panel. Odin can absorb him ALSO ONCE HE BREAKS HIS PHYSICAL SHELL.
Originally posted by the Darkone
where in the hell you get this crap from, Onslaught could barely kill the super heroes that he face, hell he got manhandled by a bannerless Hulk. Man get that bullsh** out of here, Odin would have wrecked Onslaught and the heroes at the same time without breaking a sweat.It's official you have no comic book knowledge what so ever, your theories don't make sense, it's best for you not post onhere until you read some comics or get a brain witch ever comes first, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that.
The best debaters on this forum don't go on ABC logic alone but something much deeper. You are no where near the best debater here. And maybe neither am I.
You think Marvel is going to let Onslaught the bad guy kill all the Marvel heroes and not lose? Comic fights are not forum fights. Once you understand that you would have graduated into real debating.
Originally posted by h1a8Sorry, but you display an unparalleled ignorance about pretty much all the characters you debate for and against. You stated Odin's durability was like butter compared to his weaker son. I mean it was one of the worst things I ever read anywhere while claiming to have comic book knowledge.
The best debaters on this forum don't go on ABC logic alone but something much deeper. You are no where near the best debater here. And maybe neither am I.You think Marvel is going to let Onslaught the bad guy kill all the Marvel heroes and not lose? Comic fights are not forum fights. Once you understand that you would have graduated into real debating.
Originally posted by quanchi112Yeah I've been wrong here and there. But at least I have enough humility to admit it. Humility is the single most important virtue in the universe. But rarely have I been wrong in this vein though in my entire history here.
You're always wrong. The funny thing is you don't ask for details you just rant away. If you don't remember something don't act like you remember the details or the context. Your routine is old and tired. You are practically the most ignorant poster on this entire board. That's saying something.
What? This isn't mortal kombat or some fighting game. It's not a powerset debate. Odin's more powerful and more durable with what we saw these characters do on panel. Odin can absorb him ALSO ONCE HE BREAKS HIS PHYSICAL SHELL.
you can argue that penetrating Juggs was PIS or bad writing but certainly Onslaught can win by the mentioned tactic. The problem is that he most likely wont fight like that. Thus Odin wins. Oh you didn't know that I said Odin wins for the last 4 posts? I was only giving a scenario where it is possible for Onslaught to win.
Why do people always assume that one character is just going to sit there and let another character do everything they want to them? Or think that the most powerful character must always win? Even mediocre debaters know this isn't true.
Odin may not be able to break his shell due to force fields Onslaught may put up or because of the teleporting behind and stabbing of Odin. Onslaught can absorb beings too, not to say he will in this fight though. Be he definitely has the ability to do so.
I view Onslaught as very very far above Thanos. That means this will not be an easy fight for Odin.
Originally posted by h1a8Just because someone throws around Juggernaut or punks him this has nothing to do with beating Odin. Nothing. war stopped juggs dead in his tracks and i bet despite a few overzealous hulk fanboys no one would dare claim he has a chance against Odin.
Yeah I've been wrong here and there. But at least I have enough humility to admit it. Humility is the single most important virtue in the universe. But rarely have I been wrong in this vein though in my entire history here.you can argue that penetrating Juggs was PIS or bad writing but certainly Onslaught can win by the mentioned tactic. The problem is that he most likely wont fight like that. Thus Odin wins. Oh you didn't know that I said Odin wins for the last 4 posts? I was only giving a scenario where it is possible for Onslaught to win.
Why do people always assume that one character is just going to sit there and let another character do everything they want to them? Or think that the most powerful character must always win? Even mediocre debaters know this isn't true.
Odin may not be able to break his shell due to force fields Onslaught may put up or because of the teleporting behind and stabbing of Odin. Onslaught can absorb beings too, not to say he will in this fight though. Be he definitely has the ability to do so.
I view Onslaught as very very far above Thanos. That means this will not be an easy fight for Odin.
Why is he very far above Thanos? Please, let me hear all the informative details.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Just because someone throws around Juggernaut or punks him this has nothing to do with beating Odin. Nothing. war stopped juggs dead in his tracks and i bet despite a few overzealous hulk fanboys no one would dare claim he has a chance against Odin.Why is he very far above Thanos? Please, let me hear all the informative details.
Do you think the character who is more powerful will always win?
Thanos can't penetrate Juggs like Onslaught did. Thanos can't create a sun. Thanos doesn't have reality altering powers. Thanos can't grow to any size he wants. Thanos can't fight the entire marvel earth heroes without losing quickly and badly.
Juggs unstoppability enchantment has nothing to do with his durability enchantment. So stop with the War Hulk scenarios (although was able to amp by celestial technology and celestials>Odin).
Juggs unstoppability enchantment is far weaker than his durability enchantment. For example, Thor stopped Juggs with the Godblast but was unable to harm him in the least.
Originally posted by h1a8No. I think the more powerful, more durable character who has backed it up on panel usually wins.
Do you think the character who is more powerful will always win?Thanos can't penetrate Juggs like Onslaught did. Thanos can't create a sun. Thanos doesn't have reality altering powers. Thanos can't grow to any size he wants. Thanos can't fight the entire marvel earth heroes without losing quickly and badly.
Juggs unstoppability enchantment has nothing to do with his durability enchantment. So stop with the War Hulk scenarios (although was able to amp by celestial technology and celestials>Odin).
Juggs unstoppability enchantment is far weaker than his durability enchantment. For example, Thor stopped Juggs with the Godblast but was unable to harm him in the least.
How do you know he can't? What does that have to do with him matching up against someone else?
Thanos has resisted reality warping and has crushed a reality warper before so your point?
Get a clue before you show back up and post more ignorance.
If you can overcome one enchantment why not another? Seriously.
Juggs was continually moving and was eventually going to keep going. War stopped him dead in his tracks.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
yet it took far less than a celestial to defeat onslaught right?onslaught created a sun, well odin has vaporized many.
Onslaught may not be full celestial level but he is sure a good chunk of one. FF also destroyed a celestial. So the victor isn't always who's more powerful.
It takes far more power to create a sun than to destroy one. Fictional humans can destroy stars with mere technology like nothing.
I'm forming a list of members here who debate "the more powerful is always the victor".