Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Omg, I go to sleep, and when i wake up I see this crap.
I could say the same thing, I keep explaining what I said when I meant "within abilities" and "PIS/CIS" to have my words misconstrued and used in sarcasm.
You are taking this the wrong way anyway, because it was aimed at someone else, who, like many others, think that "Lets use spiderman at his worst, and snake at his best, is a good argument."
I'm sick and tired of it.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
1.Spiderman catches colds, in cold areas to0.
What are you talking about really?
My point was that no matter what snake pulls off, he is of human physioligy, and can be killed easily, like batman.
Either way, spiderman has a super accelerated metabolism, and is MUCH less likely to get sick than old snake, who got a cold on the cold levels anyway.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
2. Soldiers beating Snake, Like 10 of them surrounded him with a gun,
You are using cinematics again, which are usually random, or go along to make the story work, a plot device.
What is a plot device again?
A plot device is a person or an object introduced to a story to affect or advance the plot. In the hands of a skilled writer, the reader or viewer will not notice that the device is a construction of the author—it will seem to follow naturally from the setting or characters in the story. A poorly-written story, on the other hand, may have such awkward or contrived plot devices that the reader has serious trouble maintaining suspension of disbelief; indeed, the devices may even leave plot holes.
If he uses a big bar out of nowhere, its a plot device.
If something helps, its a plot device.
If he's distracted by an explosion, its a plot device.
Plot devices are excluded from hypothetical debates.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
and Snake disarmed them and was about exscape but a Sniper was pointed at his heart, by not an ordinary Sniper, that Sniperwolf had.
Thats nice that you know snakes history, as many of us do, but you are still missing the point, sadly.
Sniperwolf, cyber ninja, and whoever else you are using aren't in this fight.
We are trying to determine the victor by facts, what is known about them, and seeing if they can measure up, not using intangibles.
"xxx beat xxx, so xxx beats xxx" argument isn't a strong premise, nor does it make a good contingent thesis.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
All the soldiers are not even ordinary, they are enhanced by genetics, and Snake still beat them all.
Spiderman beat silver surfer, while he had the carnage symbiote on him.
See what I mean, have you actually said how snake was winning?
You are telling me what he did in the past, it sounds like a rapper rapping about himself.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
As for Snake beat Cyber Ninja, you think oh he got beat by Snake, Thats nothing to be ashamed of as, you would think it is.
Huh?
Who said it was something to be ashamed of?
Again, its cool that Cyber Ninja was defeated by metal rex, but thats not my point.
Going by kmc rules, we are to use each of what the characters can do, and pit them against each other, no plot devices, no intanibles, no hero factor.
Do you think snake would beat cyber ninja in a random battle more times than not?
Snake is a stealth expert, its what made him who he is, and thats how i respect him, putting him in matches like this, simply say that someone doesn't appreciate what made snake, snake.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Stop calling him peak human, and compairing peak human in the MGS series and peak human in Spiderman series.
I wish that you'd understand my arguments, before you rebut them or are unsatisfied with them.
A peak human is simply someone that is at the HEIGHT of human abilities, the best of what a human can be.
Enhanced, means that they are enhanced by other means.
Snake is at the best of what a human can be, enhanced by other means.
So he's an enhanced peak human.
Please show me where this is otherwise.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
It's like Marvel and DC universe, if they ever did a cross over, then they would be balanced, like if Spiderman was in MGS he would be like Cyber Ninja and others.
Only taking away from your own argument, which makes me put up plot device ONCE again.
A plot device is a person or an object introduced to a story to affect or advance the plot. In the hands of a skilled writer, the reader or viewer will not notice that the device is a construction of the author—it will seem to follow naturally from the setting or characters in the story. A poorly-written story, on the other hand, may have such awkward or contrived plot devices that the reader has serious trouble maintaining suspension of disbelief; indeed, the devices may even leave plot holes.
When they did those silly crossovers, wolverine beat lobo, which given his stats and abilities, he is simply too insufficient to compare, but he did it.
Not valid, thats an example of something introduced to make the match even, and therefore is not valid.
Crossovers aren't canon, and aren't reliable usually, and are also not valid.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Sonic beat space station, you are sinking low, well in the Sonic universe, Sonic is able to do that,
What you don't seem to understand, or rather not accept is that there are certain logical parameters that are needed within debating.
This isn't a debate of comic logic versus game logic, its a debate of what a character should and shouldn't be able to do, given what they have, and logically and OBJECTIVELY debating them.
1.Sonic goes really fast, but gets hit by jumping bears.
2.Sonic wouldn't logically destroy a space station that heavily armed.
3.Sonic can't rend steel without enough velocity, or he can on some things, but not on others.
Its called game mechanics.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
ike Superman was normal on krypton but when he came to earth, he could lift up planes.
Thats superman, I don't get what you are implying by bringing in his bio field.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
In the Sonic universe, he is able to beat space station, because everyone is normally that strong.
So you are trying to say in sonic universe, gotcha.
That only shows why snake isn't a good character to use in versus.
People play it for the realism, but then take it away to suit their argument.
This blows your ENTIRE argument out of the water, about snake being above this or that, because he isn't as strong within another universe anyways.
Rethink what you just said please.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Did you see how strong knuckles is in there, and when Sonic generates enough power with his speed, he could do all kinds of things, like the flash.
*sigh*
I know about sonic very well, and have been playing it for 2 decades.
But according to this, if he moves SO fast, why is he hit by silly things like jumping bears?
If you answer this, then do you think that game mechanics is indeed a factor that should be taken out, as well as PIS/CIS.
Sonic is Mach 1, around the speed of sound, Flash goes BEYOND lightspeed, there is no way you can compare sonic to the flash.
Flash has more abilities to boot.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Sonic cuts through robots with like the spikes on his back. In the manual on Sonic and knuckles bios, and abilities they say all kinds
I know what the game allows you to do, why can't he cut simple dirt then, or the walls on the level that are predesigned?
This should all be included and considered in debates.
Why don't powerful missile launchers go through the walls, but blow up entire areas?
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
of things and mostly knuckles strength but the game shows you what he is capable of, visual aid, instead of just reading it.
Not always though like you say, it shows what he DID, not whats reasonable within his abilities, for OR against him.
That is no different than using the "when" arguments, instead of the "why arguments", because we are not discussing someones history, we are debating a particular match.