Originally posted by who?-kidWell mine was badass and flew around like an angel of death killing enemies by the hordes.
I think you played other MGS games than I did...The Snake I played with (hmm lol) fell of cliffs, was able to get a cold, had to hide in boxes in order to stay alive, always needed back up (Ottacon and such), could be killed by just a few soldiers, could be drowned, walked sometimes over his own mines and didn't understand a thing of the whole plot lol.
Originally posted by jinzin
common guys..snake can't even beat a damned crab!
Snake Backed flipped on a missle coming at full speed...wait not logic right.......then Spiderman can't logicaly have web shooters that work. Web made like that can't work and hold a human, and swing....\
Some guy: But he swings on it all the time.
Other guy: No history CIS, no logic. Spidey can't do it.
Originally posted by TwisterGameXYou know that whole
Snake Backed flipped on a missle coming at full speed...wait not logic right.......then Spiderman can't logicaly have web shooters that work. Web made like that can't work and hold a human, and swing....\Some guy: But he swings on it all the time.
Other guy: No history CIS, no logic. Spidey can't do it.
"Oh well you took something away from me so I'm going to take something away from you." argument isn't validBackflipping onto a missle should alter the missle's trajectory. in this case pushing it directly into the ground.
Nothing new? Ive explained explicitly everything you put on the table, and looking at the premise of your arguments, all I see is "snake beat xxx", so he's COOL and he can WIN!!!You aren't as bad as the other guy, and I didn't say I owned you, if you feel that I said that you are more than welcome to point that out to me, and stop mirroring everything I say back to me, because little of this is on topic.
I've said many of times that these two are fairly even in any given situation...I've also outlined simple scenarios for victory for each. Are you waiting for a detailed paragraph for each win? If you didn't see them, I can't help you.
*Sigh*Do I have to keep putting up the plot devices here, do we understand what this means?
I said that snake was enhanced, but he's still at the peak of human abilities, bios and stuff matter not.
I keep saying this over and over again, because you keep using these same examples over and over again.
Do you think snake can own entire armies in a random matchup?
I sure hope not, because further discussion with you would be useless, because you would have labled yourself as a fanboy.
Why does it mattered what he's labled, snake gets sick coughs, runs at human speed and everything, the games were a nod to realism in some aspects, and people keep trying to discard what snake really is, in place of "feats" that aren't even within the set rules of the forum.
So all peak humans can missle hop while shooting? I would have actually agreed with you when playing the OG version of MGS as Snake just being peak human, but once the Gamecube came around... his abilities were altered radically. Peak humans can take over bodies with their hands? Peak humans can beat Nuclear walking tanks over and over again? Peak humans walk around the antartic shirtless without any problems? Dance around bullets spider-man style?
Do I think snake can own armies in random matchups? What do you think MGS is about? The Government sends out Snake alone with minimal info and no weapons to infiltrate armies and take out incredibly powerful foes. All situations are random to him.
Last I remember, Spidey gets sick and coughs, has the same weak points on his body as a human, isn't a skilled fighter, has gotten shot before, Ko'd, stabbed..etc etc. Part of the "realism" that makes him a cool character as well.
I still don't think you understand what a plot device is my friend.
I believe you are pasting it...but not comprehending it yourself.
I did, but you keep ignoring half of what I say.Do you know what precog is?
Do you know how durable spiderman is?
Do you know spidermans current stats.
Stop using intangibles in your arguments, and stick to solid facts.
Even if snake had many weapons, he can only use ONE at a time.
I'm really giving you the ben of doubt, he loses worse than batman though.
Snakes a cool guy but lets not let that get to our head shall we?
Do you know what precog is? Do you understand why from Snakes point of view it wouldnt be any different if it's spidey or mantis?
Spideys durability? Sure, he's fallen off buildings and though hurt, has survived the fall. I also know that a bullet can take him out.
You need to understand facts as well. Get that into your head. You are basically debating 1 fight(that we agreed on)..while i'm looking at multiple scenarios that you don't seem to get.
What does it matter then? You my friend are wrong, because it hurts your argument so much, this is a random fight, not a stealth mission, if thats the case, I would understand, but in a random match against an opponent he's never faced before, he has little to no chance.
"TwisterGameX
Solid Snake
Registered: Aug 2005
Location: Around
Solid Snake Vs Spiderman
I wonder, who would win this."
Where does it say "Random Fight?" It just says Spidey vs Snake... This alone moots most of your argument.
I understood and countered your points just fine, you thought I called you a fanboy, and you thought I was saying that there were a certain stipulation for this given match.Stop mirroring, its not really helping you.
I've done the same, you've even accused me of saying Snake wins becuase he's cool...which I never said...
No, its because you keep saying the same thing.ONCE, ONCE, have you even mentioned how snake was going to win, I reviewed this thread, and I mostly heard about how "blind' daredevil was, you did however try to stack them up.
I wanted to know how and why, you kept on giving me a "when" argument.
There's no logic behind it, I can make a list a mile long, about who beat who before.
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Titania is NOT snake, and Cyber ninja is NOT spiderman.Just deal with that...
When did I bring up daredevil? When did I bring up titatia?
I think you need to read a bit more carefully, you trying to counter more than one person is screwing up your perception badly.
And you are right...Fox isn't spiderman....if Wolverine gives spidey a hard time... then Cyber Ninja will murder him. No cis...In a locked room.
You are just mirroring, the reason I even questioned that, is because you didn't know what precognition was, and you kept applying it to characters who had no business with it.Then you turned around, and made it seem like snake was going to slice spiderman's throat.
This parker has been a superhero for a long time, we aren't talking about teenage parker here.
You assumed that I didn't know what precog was... simply because I said from Snakes point of view, Spideys precog and Mantis being able to read snakes moves psychicly as well as having his own precog aren't any different. Get it?
Snakes point of view...not mine...
And now Spidey can't have his throat cut.... hmmm
The only circular argument is the fact that you continue to ignore, or rather not accept or understand, is that there are logical parameters that need to take place when you are debating.This isn't about continuity, or history, its a theoretical argument, its what can most likely happen, not what HAS happened.
Of, relating to, or based on theory.
Restricted to theory; not practical: theoretical physics.
Given to theorizing; speculative.
Seems like you are the one ignoring and even CONFUSING posts between different members...
Most likely to happen....lets try this again...
"TwisterGameX
Solid Snake
Registered: Aug 2005
Location: Around
Solid Snake Vs Spiderman
I wonder, who would win this."
No scenario or rules really stated. We don't know if this is random or not, but you assume it is...and we already went over the rest.
Good young paddawan, you have understood afterall.
Wish I could say the same for you...pero...lo que paso...paso... 😎
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindSince it's not snake with the precog there is a difference. If one is able to block out a telepath, they lose their precog ability of reading thoughts.
Do you know what precog is? Do you understand why from Snakes point of view it wouldnt be any different if it's spidey or mantis?
Don't matter with Spiderman, as he's not reading the thoughts. He's still reacting to the danger.
Psycho's precog can be adjusted and adapted for.
Spiderman's cannot because any adaptation is automatically refigured by his sense.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindIf it's not specified that's what it defaults to because that's what are in the KMC Rules. . . Don't like it? Too bad, it's in the rules.
Where does it say "Random Fight?" It just says Spidey vs Snake... This alone moots most of your argument.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindCyber Manits isn't Wolverine either.
And you are right...Fox isn't spiderman....if Wolverine gives spidey a hard time... then Cyber Ninja will murder him. No cis...In a locked room.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindDoesn't matter, as it's not Snakes precog. Reading a person's thoughts or moves can be adapted for. Spiderman's spidersense cannot as easily.
You assumed that I didn't know what precog was... simply because I said from Snakes point of view, Spideys precog and Mantis being able to read snakes moves psychicly as well as having his own precog aren't any different. Get it?
Snakes point of view...not mine...
Unless you'd like to tell me exactly how he's going to adapt to the Spidersense. Cause I'd really like to know.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindYou'd have to be fast enough to do it.
And now Spidey can't have his throat cut.... hmmm
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindDefaulting to the KMC Rules, it's random. When a scenerio is not given you default to the rules.
No scenario or rules really stated. We don't know if this is random or not, but you assume it is...and we already went over the rest.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Since it's not snake with the precog there is a difference. If one is able to block out a telepath, they lose their precog ability of reading thoughts.Don't matter with Spiderman, as he's not reading the thoughts. He's still reacting to the danger.
Psycho's precog can be adjusted and adapted for.
Spiderman's cannot because any adaptation is automatically refigured by his sense.
If it's not specified that's what it defaults to because that's what are in the KMC Rules. . . Don't like it? Too bad, it's in the rules.
Cyber Manits isn't Wolverine either.
Doesn't matter, as it's not Snakes precog. Reading a person's thoughts or moves can be adapted for. Spiderman's spidersense cannot as easily.
Unless you'd like to tell me exactly how he's going to adapt to the Spidersense. Cause I'd really like to know.
You'd have to be fast enough to do it.
Defaulting to the KMC Rules, it's random. When a scenerio is not given you default to the rules.
#1 And Spidermans sense has been overloaded before...it's not a secret.
#2 Precog adjusted and adapted for on the fly? but no way with spider sense...right..... See #1
#3 The rules aren't specified as random either...don't like my view...too bad. You put yourself in the debate. Rules also specify that characters know about each other..so much for that.
#4 You are right, Fox and Mantis aren't Wolverine...and I prefer it that way.
#5 See #1. Spidey has been getting hit for years...with spidey sense. I guess thats not Canon now?
Once again I'm looking at it from both sides of the coin. It's a fairly even match if both sides are kept according to their character.
Originally posted by brainchild81
Good post. This "mind reading VS Spidey Sense" thing seems to be way over his head. It's been explained by about 3 people so far and he still doesn't seem to get it.
Not at all...Mantis also has some precog...and just how do you block having your mind read without telepathic power of your own or implants? Somehow Snake did it.
Everyone will see what they want to see. Seeing as spidey is your avatar, I could make any argument and you would disagree.
Been fun guys. I'm done with this forum. Happy debating.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindBy those that know about it mostly.
#1 And Spidermans sense has been overloaded before...it's not a secret.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindSee above.
#2 Precog adjusted and adapted for on the fly? but no way with spider sense...right..... See #1
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindYes they are.
#3 The rules aren't specified as random either...
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindIt disagrees with the rules, so it's too bad for you.
don't like my view...too bad.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindOnly what's commonly known in their respective worlds.
You put yourself in the debate. Rules also specify that characters know about each other..so much for that.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindSo it's not a valid comparison.
#4 You are right, Fox and Mantis aren't Wolverine...and I prefer it that way.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindUsually not by something simple. . . and again, the rules state its both characters at their best.
#5 See #1. Spidey has been getting hit for years...with spidey sense. I guess thats not Canon now?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Once again I'm looking at it from both sides of the coin.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindAnd what about when you apply the KMC rules?
It's a fairly even match if both sides are kept according to their character.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindWolverine does it when he goes "beserk" Mind and body become one.
Not at all...Mantis also has some precog...and just how do you block having your mind read without telepathic power of your own or implants? Somehow Snake did it.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindAd hominem attacks aren't cool, should we apply them to the OP as well?
Everyone will see what they want to see. Seeing as spidey is your avatar, I could make any argument and you would disagree.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindForum or thread?
Been fun guys. I'm done with this forum. Happy debating.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindLame. So I guess the same could be said about you and Supes and the Cyborg? You're reaching and it's transparent. I disagree 'cause you've yet to come up w/a good argument.
Not at all...Mantis also has some precog...and just how do you block having your mind read without telepathic power of your own or implants? Somehow Snake did it.Everyone will see what they want to see. Seeing as spidey is your avatar, I could make any argument and you would disagree.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind💃
I'm done with this forum. Happy debating.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindId be an ******* and own that post, but you are going to "return" and mirror everything I say....
I've said many of times that these two are fairly even in any given situation...I've also outlined simple scenarios for victory for each. Are you waiting for a detailed paragraph for each win? If you didn't see them, I can't help you.So all peak humans can missle hop while shooting? I would have actually agreed with you when playing the OG version of MGS as Snake just being peak human, but once the Gamecube came around... his abilities were altered radically. Peak humans can take over bodies with their hands? Peak humans can beat Nuclear walking tanks over and over again? Peak humans walk around the antartic shirtless without any problems? Dance around bullets spider-man style?
Do I think snake can own armies in random matchups? What do you think MGS is about? The Government sends out Snake alone with minimal info and no weapons to infiltrate armies and take out incredibly powerful foes. All situations are random to him.
Last I remember, Spidey gets sick and coughs, has the same weak points on his body as a human, isn't a skilled fighter, has gotten shot before, Ko'd, stabbed..etc etc. Part of the "realism" that makes him a cool character as well.
I believe you are pasting it...but not comprehending it yourself.
Do you know what precog is? Do you understand why from Snakes point of view it wouldnt be any different if it's spidey or mantis?
Spideys durability? Sure, he's fallen off buildings and though hurt, has survived the fall. I also know that a bullet can take him out.
You need to understand facts as well. Get that into your head. You are basically debating 1 fight(that we agreed on)..while i'm looking at multiple scenarios that you don't seem to get.
"TwisterGameX
Solid SnakeRegistered: Aug 2005
Location: AroundSolid Snake Vs Spiderman
I wonder, who would win this."Where does it say "Random Fight?" It just says Spidey vs Snake... This alone moots most of your argument.
I've done the same, you've even accused me of saying Snake wins becuase he's cool...which I never said...
When did I bring up daredevil? When did I bring up titatia?
I think you need to read a bit more carefully, you trying to counter more than one person is screwing up your perception badly.And you are right...Fox isn't spiderman....if Wolverine gives spidey a hard time... then Cyber Ninja will murder him. No cis...In a locked room.
You assumed that I didn't know what precog was... simply because I said from Snakes point of view, Spideys precog and Mantis being able to read snakes moves psychicly as well as having his own precog aren't any different. Get it?
Snakes point of view...not mine...And now Spidey can't have his throat cut.... hmmm
Seems like you are the one ignoring and even CONFUSING posts between different members...
Most likely to happen....lets try this again...
"TwisterGameX
Solid SnakeRegistered: Aug 2005
Location: AroundSolid Snake Vs Spiderman
I wonder, who would win this."No scenario or rules really stated. We don't know if this is random or not, but you assume it is...and we already went over the rest.
Wish I could say the same for you...pero...lo que paso...paso... 😎
I don't think you are trying to even learn...