Originally posted by leonheartmm
hey i can sneak just about as good as snake, on almost any terrain, with a huge back pack{and after a year and a half of hard work i might add}
You are welcome to try...and you are 100% right about the hard work...
If you manage to do something like playing hopscotch on missles while carrying said gear...let me know...
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindWasn't he reading Snake's mind though? The Spidey sense is totally different.
Snake 6/10.
Both characters have beaten characters far stronger than them. So that won't factor too much in this fight.
Spider Sense will be fairly useless against someone who beat Psycho Mantis (an opponent who can read all your moves)
I am aware of that. However, the similarity is that Mantis was able to read and knew ahead of time what Snakes moves were going to be...and still lost...Spidey's sense is similar. If Snake can overcome one..he can overcome the other.
How? Couldnt tell ya...that's still Kojima's secret...
For the most part, I say its an even fight if each character is portrayed faithfully. I mean..how the hell does snake sneak up on anyone while carrying all the gear on him? As an ex marine myself...I can say it's definitely not easy to walk around with all that crap strapped on you.
How is snake going to overcome spiderman spider sense?? Because last I checked spiderman does not projects his spidersense into other people's minds.
Originally posted by brainchild81
Wasn't he reading Snake's mind though? The Spidey sense is totally different.
He was reading his mind and predicting his actions before snake could do anything. Spider sense is basically a reflex action.
They work in differnet ways...but its the same situation for snake.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
How is snake going to overcome spiderman spider sense?? Because last I checked spiderman does not projects his spidersense into other people's minds.
Spidey doesnt read minds and predict moves either.
Spidey isn't a multi ton armored walking nuclear tank with guiding systems or tons of weapons.
If this is say..a pure bloodlusted fist fight, of course Spidey will win.
However, if these characters are in their native environments with their native weapons, its a totally different scenario...and very fair to both having a chance to win. Snake also kills quickly while spidey pulls punches...something I haven't forgotten about.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
He was reading his mind and predicting his actions before snake could do anything. Spider sense is basically a reflex action.
It warns him a split second before the actual attack.
The reflexes of SM (who are much better than those of Snake - any Snake) only kick in after his spider-sense has warned him for danger. His spider-sense is some kind of precog ability, and has nothing to do with reflexes.It warns him a split second before the actual attack.
Exactly.....mantis and spider sense to different form and in how they are applied.
Originally posted by who?-kid
The reflexes of SM (who are much better than those of Snake - any Snake) only kick in [b]after his spider-sense has warned him for danger. His spider-sense is some kind of precog ability, and has nothing to do with reflexes.It warns him a split second before the actual attack. [/B]
Exactly, but how would that be different from someone who can read you mind and know your actions before you do them?
In the beginning of the fight, Snake couldnt hit mantis as he dodge every move easily due to the fact he knew everything snake was going to do.
Then there is the fact that any weapon snake used was useless against the guy as a grenade/missle, bullet would be stopped or explode before it got to mantis.
This is while Mantis was still controlling Meryl as well.
A bit of invisibilty, throwing off spideys spider sense, and a knife through his neck and pete is dead. Snake is a master of trickery as well.
I like both characters but going by their personalities...its an even battle as long as its not a boxing match.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindWhen the controler was put into port 2, he lost the ability to read your mind. For the sake of argument I'll say Snake cleared his mind. Can't read a blank page. There's a tournament Wolvie participated in a while back. One of his opponents was Mr.X(a mind reader) X was kicking a$$ until Wolvie went into a berserker rage(during which even Wolverine doesn't know what he's going to do next). Wolverine then proceeded to beat X's a$$. The Spidey sense is totally different from mind reading. Spidey-sense is like a radar/early warning system combo. Click the link in my sig. Mind reading is useless if there is no mind or if the mind is unreadable. If P-Mantis walked into a room with a robotic machine gun turret, he'd get his head blown off. Spidey'd be warned and move out of the way.
Exactly, but how would that be different from someone who can read you mind and know your actions before you do them?
Originally posted by brainchild81
When the controler was put into port 2, he lost the ability to read your mind. For the sake of argument I'll say Snake cleared his mind. Can't read a blank page. There's a tournament Wolvie participated in a while back. One of his opponents was Mr.X(a mind reader) X was kicking a$$ until Wolvie went into a berserker rage(during which even Wolverine doesn't know what he's going to do next). Wolverine then proceeded to beat X's a$$. The Spidey sense is totally different from mind reading. Spidey-sense is like a radar/early warning system combo. Click the link in my sig. Mind reading is useless if there is no mind or if the mind is unreadable. If P-Mantis walked into a room with a robotic machine gun turret, he'd get his head blown off. Spidey'd be warned and move out of the way.
So Spidey could dodge machine guns, up close, but gets caught by the Kingpin,Shocker, Punisher,and dare devil.
Who'd read a comic where the hero never gets hit? Would you play MGS if Snake was unbeatable? Spidey holds back when fighting them. Shocker winds up in jail for a reason. Kingpin used to beat up on a young and green Spidey. Spidey's knocked his a$$ out before even though Spidey was still holding back. Spidey's disarmed and dealt w/Frank plenty of times and he's done all of this WHILE HOLDING BACK. You talk about these guys as if they're a joke. Kingpin'd take Snake in a H2H. As would Daredevil. Give Snake a pistol and DD'd still kick his a$$. Punisher'd take a shotgun to Snake's face. Unlike Wolverine, Snake'd die. Shocker'd blast Snake into tiny bits before Snake even drew his weapon. If he can tag Spidey, he can easily tag Snake. Easily
Originally posted by brainchild81
Who'd read a comic where the hero never gets hit? Would you play MGS if Snake was unbeatable? Spidey holds back when fighting them. Shocker winds up in jail for a reason. Kingpin used to beat up on a young and green Spidey. Spidey's knocked his a$$ out before even though Spidey was still holding back. Spidey's disarmed and dealt w/Frank plenty of times and he's done all of this WHILE HOLDING BACK. You talk about these guys as if they're a joke. Kingpin'd take Snake in a H2H. As would Daredevil. Give Snake a pistol and DD'd still kick his a$$. Punisher'd take a shotgun to Snake's face. Unlike Wolverine, Snake'd die. Shocker'd blast Snake into tiny bits before Snake even drew his weapon. If he can tag Spidey, he can easily tag Snake. Easily
Snake is unbeatable!!!!!
And so why the make, him kill gods and not humans, thats gay.