IS the Dark Side stronger?

Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Well, it depends on how one perceives strength. If I were in a battle, and had to choose between possessing the powers of a Jedi versus the powers of a Sith Lord, I would choose the Sith Lord. In battle, they have the advantage of offensive Force-powers and the rage that goes along with aggression and brute force.

Yoda and Palpatine are the paragons of the opposite side of the Force. Palpatine was powerful enough to shield himself from the Jedi Order, and that required a vast amount of ability to do. However, this cannot all be attributed to Palpatine. We do not know if it was he who caused the veil to slip over their eyes - or if he were simply reaping the benefits of it.

The balance of the Force tipped from light supremacy to dark supremecy. It was clear that Yoda wasn't going to win in his showdown with the Emperor. However, it is because Yoda is weaker? I don't know. Or could it be a side-effect of the fact that the Force is now supporting the Dark Side?

Palpatine was no push-over, to be sure. It was obvious that of all the movie characters, it was he and he alone who possessed the ability to put Yoda to the test. But was he more powerful? No. They were equal. Yoda could defend himself against Palpatine's lightning, but he could never break through Palpatine's defenses. According to the official script - Yoda was meant to basically defeat Palpatine - but Palpatine was going to win because of luck.

I disagree with Lucas's reasoning here, considering how Revenge of the Sith should be designed on how the Sith won and how the Jedi lost. But who am I to argue with the Lord of Inconsistancy?

Palpatine represents the true embodiment of evil. He is without a doubt my favorite character. He duped the Jedi, he took over the galaxy, and he masterminded the destruction of the Republic. He deserves credit and the fact that he did this without them discovering until HE decided to reveal himself speaks a lot. He won, and that's that.

But on NEUTRAL ground - COMPLETELY neutral - I do believe Yoda might beat Sidious in the end. The site says otherwise. But the script disagrees with the site. On normal conditions, the script would win - but the script wasn't entirely used - and can't be considered 100 percent valid.

So it's a tossup to me.

Good answer. Personally, I believe Yoda and Palpatine, on neutral ground, would probably fight until exhaustion. At that point, it would be a 50-50 chance of either winning, I agree. I suppose I should've been more clear: in the situation that Yoda and Palpatine fought in, Palpatine was the stronger simply because he had a few advantages on his side. His mastery of the Force was likely no greater since he is certainly a great deal younger than Yoda. I doubt any SW character has a greater overall understanding of the Force than Yoda simply due to his age.

I think Qui-Gon is a good example of a non-traditional Jedi. His motives were certainly good, but he obviously believed that the ends justify the means in most cases due to his rather reckless approach to certain problems. He understood that the Force flows differently than the way most Jedi view it, and this made him extremely powerful.

Examples: he showed obvious irritation at Jar Jar when they first met, and had some affection for Shmi Skywalker even if he didn't allow it to progress very far. This was a man that was not afraid to feel yet he managed to avoid the Dark path.

However, he was getting old (near 60) and he simply was not able to match a young Sith such as Darth Maul 1 on 1 for a length of time. He got tired, that's all. Had that force field not held Obi-Wan back for the second time, I believe the outcome would've been very different.

To those of you getting offended and bristling with potential flames, calm down. I'm not trying to devalue GL's opinions. He made SW so it is his. This does not mean that these sorts of discussions should be shot down immediately because they are not 100% canon. I'm not citing books, I'm citing direct examples from the movies. You cannot deny this evidence as non-canonical.

No, but any attempt to state something which is contradicted by GL, as a fact, certainly should be shot down.

Age has nothing to do with it; Dooku was a lethal sabreist. QGJ and Maul were well matched; Gilliard designed the fights so QGJ got the better of Maul at Tatooine, but Maul won it at Naboo. C'est la vie.

I really don't get the rest of what you are saying either. QGJ was certainly a proponent of the Living Force, but the behaviour you site is not unusual; Yoda and Obi-Wan both show irritation at times and Obi-Wan shows affection also. It's far more a case of like bheaviour being shown down the line of Master to Apprentice, nothing to do with their views on the Force.

ALL Jedi can feel.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, but any attempt to state something which is contradicted by GL, as a fact, certainly should be shot down.

Age has nothing to do with it; Dooku was a lethal sabreist. QGJ and Maul were well matched; Gilliard designed the fights so QGJ got the better of Maul at Tatooine, but Maul won it at Naboo. C'est la vie.

I really don't get the rest of what you are saying either. QGJ was certainly a proponent of the Living Force, but the behaviour you site is not unusual; Yoda and Obi-Wan both show irritation at times and Obi-Wan shows affection also. It's far more a case of like bheaviour being shown down the line of Master to Apprentice, nothing to do with their views on the Force.

ALL Jedi can feel.

But they are certainly not supposed to because feeling can lead to attachment.

I'm not stating anything as fact, I'm only pointing out something I feel is apparent in the films.

Watch Duel of the Fates again, Qui-Gon is getting tired towards the end of his duel with Maul; Maul was not. It's a given that the Force can lift the burden of years, but only for so long; we see this in Episode II with Yoda being able to bounce around like that despite being older than most sentient beings in the galaxy.

I've watched Duel of the Fates and I see no evidence of that.

And of course Jedi are not forbidden from affection or, therefore, friendship! That's a country mile short of attachment in the form that is dangerous to them.

Originally posted by Sir Mist
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What's more important is that the Dark Side is COOLER. You get lightning, choking bitches, and laid if you want. It's that, or serve a muppet.

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😮 i think that the darkside may be stronger to somepoints and the light side has it's advantages and disadvantages as well.

though the darkside is fueled by rage, passion, and hate, or as i like to say whatever came out when pandora opened the box, the dark and lightsides are essentially equal.

like yin and yang they oppose and balance eachother. Even though everyonce in a while one will overpower the other( in Ep. III the jedi rule was ended by the sith and in Ep. VI vice versa) they cannot exsist with out each other. if the light side were ever to perish completely so would the dark side of the force because there would be no one to oppose it and the darkside can't be "dark" if it is the only thing that is known.

well basically you can't have light with out shadow and you can't have shadow without light so neither side of the force is more powerful than the other because everytime oneside comes to power the otherside falls, it is an endless cycle and truth of life.

Just my view on it anyway ^ - ^

GL doesn't actually have a Yin-Yang view of Balance. In his Galaxy, a balanced Galaxy is an all-Light one, Light being the force of Balance.

The Dark side is easier to master and more seductive.

Originally posted by shaber
The Dark side is easier to master and more seductive.

The dark side is by far the stronger of the two with no exception.

Even though light usually prevails over dark people seem to forget that most light saber duels won by Jedi are only won when the Jedi taps into his own anger which everyone knows is the main path to the Dark Side. Maul vs. Kenobi, obi-wan only won when he became furious at the death of Qui-Gon. Dooku beat both Anakin and Kenobi because he was already on the dark side. Yoda and dooku had no victor. Anakin defeated dooku later with the idea of revenge set into his mind. Even though windu had the "advantage" over palpatine it was clear he was just playing possum to get anakin to take matters into his own hands. Sideous beat Yoda. Vader killed kenobi, and beat luke. Luke only beat Vader when he threatened Leah and luke used his anger to beat vader.

The only time light ever prevailed with no influence from dark was when kenobi sliced anakin up.

So it is clear the power of the dark side influences the Jedi victories, and even though the Jedi can fight off the urge to turn, they would be dead without the "help" so to speak.

It was even said by Palpatine himself the only man to to be able to manipulate the force to his own will was the Sith lord Darth Plaugis the Wise. So even though the dark side can devourer yourself if you use it, if you can truly master it as Darth Plaugis, Darth Bane (plapatines mentor), and of course Palpatine you can become the most powerful being in the universe which is why it was so easy for Palpatine to defeat the Jedi.

Darkness exists inside all men, to give into it can be the cause of your demise, but to control it can make it your best asset.

Palpatine was just unlucky that bastard Anakin did not give all of himself to his anger, which is a shame for he would have ruled all of the galaxy. Too bad Vader.

the dim side is the strongest of all

Originally posted by Darth_Sadistic
The dark side is by far the stronger of the two with no exception.

Even though light usually prevails over dark people seem to forget that most light saber duels won by Jedi are only won when the Jedi taps into his own anger which everyone knows is the main path to the Dark Side. Maul vs. Kenobi, obi-wan only won when he became furious at the death of Qui-Gon. Dooku beat both Anakin and Kenobi because he was already on the dark side. Yoda and dooku had no victor. Anakin defeated dooku later with the idea of revenge set into his mind. Even though windu had the "advantage" over palpatine it was clear he was just playing possum to get anakin to take matters into his own hands. Sideous beat Yoda. Vader killed kenobi, and beat luke. Luke only beat Vader when he threatened Leah and luke used his anger to beat vader.

The only time light ever prevailed with no influence from dark was when kenobi sliced anakin up.

So it is clear the power of the dark side influences the Jedi victories, and even though the Jedi can fight off the urge to turn, they would be dead without the "help" so to speak.

It was even said by Palpatine himself the only man to to be able to manipulate the force to his own will was the Sith lord Darth Plaugis the Wise. So even though the dark side can devourer yourself if you use it, if you can truly master it as Darth Plaugis, Darth Bane (plapatines mentor), and of course Palpatine you can become the most powerful being in the universe which is why it was so easy for Palpatine to defeat the Jedi.

Darkness exists inside all men, to give into it can be the cause of your demise, but to control it can make it your best asset.

Palpatine was just unlucky that bastard Anakin did not give all of himself to his anger, which is a shame for he would have ruled all of the galaxy. Too bad Vader.

And if you remember, in Palpy's office, after Anakin swore himself to Pulp...Palp, Sidious admitted that he didn't know how to manipulate midichlorians, or stop death.

The Dark Side is stronger in raw ability...but with its strength it brings weakness and corruption as well as power...so one must weigh the advantages and disadvantages carefully.

The Dark Side and Light Side are pretty equal. The Dark Side can cloud the Light Side's view of the future, however. I'm sure the Light Side could do something similar if they felt the need or knew how.

The Dark Side is just quicker than becoming powerful with the Light Side, as Yoda said himself.

We've been over this before.

Dark side lost. Light side won.

I count 3 immortal Jedi at the end of the story.

Palpatine was only mortal.

Star Wars is a pretty basic morality tale. The dark side seem stronger, but the good side is ultimately, and infinitely, more powerful.

THAT's the moral of the story right there. Being bad may give you quick results but leading a selfless and noble life leads to greater things. The ability to "own" in a fight does NOT mean greater power. Knowledge, enlightenment, selflessness and wisdom is the greater power - it leads to immortality, and infinite influence after all. Killing is seen as pointless. Killing Obi-Wan didn't make "Team Sith" more powerful, because it actually made "Team Jedi" more powerful.

Being able to kill is only a fraction of what "power" really is.

Anyone that disagrees clearly doesn't pay attention during Return Of The Jedi.

What is meant by stronger?

In terms of good overcoming evil doesnot really say much, its the same as saying that evil has oversome good. (Palpatine ruling the galaxy). There will always be evil, and there will always be good. Its just a cycle, and you can put it in anyway you want to.

Originally posted by JediRobin23
What is meant by stronger?

In terms of good overcoming evil doesnot really say much, its the same as saying that evil has oversome good. (Palpatine ruling the galaxy). There will always be evil, and there will always be good. Its just a cycle, and you can put it in anyway you want to.

IS the Dark Side stronger?

im tooooooooooo rapped up in Revenge Of The Sith - so i'd say it is 👿