Demonic Possession, A Realy Possibility?

Originally posted by bardock
i have no idea what it could be, but why would the devil care about some random dude who works at wal-mart would 'nt he want to take over someone important like dick cheney...oh wait he did.

because, he doesnt necessarily take over anyone. But people who play with it like Tarot,Quji and seances, its opening a can of worms you don't want to open. Secondly the devil wants to take or control all the lives of those who worship God and Jesus Christ. thats why he picks at you and tries getting people down. Did you ever read about Job in the bible? God told the Devil he could do what he wanted to Job just not kill him. Job lost everything dear to him, but through it all he grew closer to God. Many people now days however see it as God punishing you or hurting you when in fact its only God testing you and your faith to him. The Devil is real and so are other Demonic beings (there are 3 levels of demons Brutes, Intellectuals and Devils) also 3 am is the hour when Paranormal activity becomes more active. Point is 3 is mocking the holy Trinity. Demons are real, and so is Jesus Christ.

if a demon came to my hood his ass would get robbed and he'd be turning tricks before the night was through

Raven, you say you're a demon expert?

What kind is one that appears, how can I describe this..

Like Gollum but perhaps more brown tint?

I mean I fealt really bad for this thing, I didn't even think it was a demon, it was deffinitly more scared of me then I was of it, and I'm like "dude, relax!" he kept referring to me as Lucifer.. : \

I also see alot of people who don't look quite human if that makes sense. The skin colour, thier hair, it's not like people-people colours, and they move like on a differant time format.. (Not like in the movies though, probably slower..)

Originally posted by bardock
if a demon came to my hood his ass would get robbed and he'd be turning tricks before the night was through

stop making fun, its not a joke. The guy from the new york chapter of Paranormal (I live in PA and a Member of the Central Paranormal team) well he works with demons he once told one this "I Hope Jesus Christ kicks your ass" well you know what happened? he was thrown into a wall. Don't be so ignorant.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Raven, you say you're a demon expert?

What kind is one that appears, how can I describe this..

Like Gollum but perhaps more brown tint?

I mean I fealt really bad for this thing, I didn't even think it was a demon, it was deffinitly more scared of me then I was of it, and I'm like "dude, relax!" he kept referring to me as Lucifer.. : \

I also see alot of people who don't look quite human if that makes sense. The skin colour, thier hair, it's not like people-people colours, and they move like on a differant time format.. (Not like in the movies though, probably slower..)

dude i believe in god and i am a christian dont be so anal its just a little fun. i have seen people speak in tongues before. i dont really know if it is the devil or if it is mental illness. it could possible be both.

Originally posted by bardock
dude i believe in god and i am a christian dont be so anal its just a little fun. i have seen people speak in tongues before. i dont really know if it is the devil or if it is mental illness. it could possible be both.

I am not being anal, and I am sorry if I offened you. I am just saying I dont think its good to make fun of such things.

i see. sorry if i made you mad

if by possession you mean infestation and by demon you mean giardia, then yes, it's really possible.

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
stop making fun, its not a joke. The guy from the new york chapter of Paranormal (I live in PA and a Member of the Central Paranormal team) well he works with demons he once told one this "I Hope Jesus Christ kicks your ass" well you know what happened? he was thrown into a wall. Don't be so ignorant.

well I wouldn't say I am an expert, but that sounds like a Intellectual. They have wisdom of the ages. and they are a mid level demon. They are pretty strong and dang smart. They are good at tricking people and appearing in different ways. One time on a investigation a Brute appeared as black, wings and claws........also there are such things as Shadow People. I Don't fully understand the theory fully, but they seem to be awear of us at times and sometimes scared of us. They are usually brought in or drawled in my a reg Ghost. But they appear to just look like a human only a shadow.

Well, since you're in a paranormal team, maybe you should drop by the TAPS website. Come on around to the forums, and talk to people about your theories. It might be very educational for you.

By the way, it does nobody in the Paranormal Research field any good to have people sounding like they're crazy and then saying, 'I'm a paranormal researcher, so I know'. Hell, not even most paranormal researchers know. Different levels of demons? I'm not saying they don't exist, but I'm not going around telling anybody who will listen that they do, either. You want me to believe? You want most people on the planet to believe? Get me irrefutable proof. I'm talking pictures or video of actual apparitions. Get me EVPs to go along with it.

That's not to say I don't believe in ghosts; I do. But, honestly, the idea of different levels of demons sounds utterly ridiculous to me. I've heard of the three types of hauntings, but come on. Like I said, get me irrefutable proof, and maybe I'll believe you.

Originally posted by inthesilence
Well, since you're in a paranormal team, maybe you should drop by the TAPS website. Come on around to the forums, and talk to people about your theories. It might be very educational for you.

By the way, it does nobody in the Paranormal Research field any good to have people sounding like they're crazy and then saying, 'I'm a paranormal researcher, so I know'. Hell, not even most paranormal researchers know. Different levels of demons? I'm not saying they don't exist, but I'm not going around telling anybody who will listen that they do, either. You want me to believe? You want most people on the planet to believe? Get me irrefutable proof. I'm talking pictures or video of actual apparitions. Get me EVPs to go along with it.

That's not to say I don't believe in ghosts; I do. But, honestly, the idea of different levels of demons sounds utterly ridiculous to me. I've heard of the three types of hauntings, but come on. Like I said, get me irrefutable proof, and maybe I'll believe you.

I am not going to argue with you. To let you know I am a member of the taps forum I go by Dark_Raven. I watch taps and bull crap. all they do is fight and argue. Secondly I am not going to get you any EVPs with demonic voices because I am not about to enter a demonic investigation on purpose. Entering it on purpose its stupid unless you are a demonologist, however the demons I encounter slipped through when our psychic was trying to make contact. If you think levels of demons is ridiculous thats your opinion but they are real, and there are different levels whether you believe me or not.

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No its okay you didnt make me made, I just get worried when people dont seem to take it serious because its nothing to be played with. I dont want anyone getting into things they shouldnt with out knowing what can happpen.

here a website that might be useful it explains demons and their levels of power along with othe Paranormal. http://www.geocities.com/ladyleena69/GhostHunting.html

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
here a website that might be useful it explains demons and their levels of power along with othe Paranormal. http://www.geocities.com/ladyleena69/GhostHunting.html

Do you really believe in ghosts?

I find it strange that a person would believe in such things.

I believe that the entities of people who die only experience life and never know death. So a ghost is just a figment of the imagination.

Originally posted by Fallen Jedi
i consider myself a pretty open minded person and i like to believe that most things are possible, but some of this i find hard to believe. i'm not ruling it out or anything, but different level demons?

(first off sorry about double and triple posting didn't see this till now)

Yes, I am serious there are different levels of demons. I don't understand why you people don't believe me. If you want proof I will give the email address you can contact our Demonlogist and ask him. He had been working with this for 18 years, he got training from the Catholic Church and he knows what he is talking about.

Now just to back up my opinion I will share with you all what I learnt in classes. Here is what is in my notes.

Demonology 101
Foreword is forearmed
*Demons are smart and strong.
*Demon is Latin for "Unclean"
1) They are liars
2) Intelligence of the ages
3)Very Dangerous.

Law of Invitation --> Incantations,Seances,Quij boards etc
Law of Attraction --> Like attracts like

Signs of Demonic infestation
1)Psychic hours are between 9pm and 6am, activity will peak at 3am (mocking the holy Trinity)
2)Activity will be in threes (ex. a chair will move out from under the table,turn side ways, shoot across the room. 1) the chair moves 2) it turns 3) it moves across the room)
3) foul odors
4) black manifestation
5) unnatural occurrence (glass falls and doesn't brake)
6) No Documentation

Provocation: Slamming doors, etc

Demonology II
Demons are resentful and jealous of human kind, they will psychologically brake the human, harm it and kill it.

Predisposition:
Attraction - Person/Location
Accident- opening portal
Conjuring- recklessly/neg
Psychological imbalance - Psychosis or hostility

1) infestation --> invited in, initial entry (prior tent,provoke, people in home with neg energy [like attract like] )
2) Oppression --> all stops are pulled
3) possession --> takes over body and eventually kills

Levels
1) Brutes- lowest level. They are like foot soldiers, least intelligent, easily detected
2) Intellectuals- mid-level. Use emotions and intelligence, they are shrewed and are more difficult to detect.
3) Devils- high level normally not involved. they assist low and mid level demons if they can not brake the person down. They can desecrate holy items, apport, levitate 300lbs or more and burst into flames.

Personal Demons
1) attach themselves to a person
2) will drive you into deep depression
3) will usually attach to a child 3-4 years old
4)will come and go they will check on a person every 2-3 years
5)Knows everything about victim
6)will steer victims path to self destruction

Incubus and Succubus

Incubus
Demon Lover (male)
1) Feeds on lust
2)Takes on appearance of husband,boyfriend,neighbor etc.
3) Will have sex with the female while she is sleeping
4)When it appears everyone in the home will enter a Psycho sleep, only victim will be aware of what is going on.
5) Nasty lover, very cold, extremely large parts.

Succubus
Demon lover (female)
1) Feeds on lust
2)Will appear as wife, girlfriend, etc
3)After sex sometimes the male will have a green slime on him.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Do you really believe in ghosts?

I find it strange that a person would believe in such things.

I believe that the entities of people who die only experience life and never know death. So a ghost is just a figment of the imagination.

yes I do believe in them. I have EVP's pictures to prove ghost are real.

But I respect your opinion.

i believe ghosts are just beings from another dimension. they are not dead, just living on a different frequency

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
yes I do believe in them. I have EVP's pictures to prove ghost are real.

But I respect your opinion.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

EVP pictures are not extraordinary proof.

You may believe in ghosts, and that is your right, but unless you have extraordinary proof you can not say that they are a fact.

I believe in entities, but I can not prove that they exist, so I alway state that I believe in them. 😄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

EVP pictures are not extraordinary proof.

You may believe in ghosts, and that is your right, but unless you have extraordinary proof you can not say that they are a fact.

I believe in entities, but I can not prove that they exist, so I alway state that I believe in them. 😄

I believe in entities too, and I can see why EVPs are not extraordinary proof. But sometimes proof can not always be given, sometimes one must just trust their instincts and feelings. I am a sensitive, I can sense and feel and when entities and ghost/spirits are around. Most people can some way or another. But I do understand, it is very hard to give extraordinary proof of such things.

I know about demonolgy too. I never considered nor even care much about the differant "species" of demon, I just am interested on what they do, what they can offer, and what they are like..

For instance Raum: He is a Great Earl; and appeareth at first in the Form of a Crow, but after the Command of the Exorcist he putteth on Human Shape. His office is to steal Treasures out King’s Houses, and to carry it whither he is commanded, and to destroy Cities and Dignities of Men, and to tell all things, Past and What Is, and what Will Be; and to cause Love between Friends and Foes. He was of the Order of Thrones. He governeth 30 Legions of Spirits; and his Seal is this, which wear thou as aforesaid.

And I'm also very aware of thier seals.. Never have attempted to Gate my way to one of them.. but it's reassuring that I could..

Demons aren't the only ones with such strong desires they are willing to put things on the line inconceivable by mortal standards..

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
I believe in entities too, and I can see why EVPs are not extraordinary proof. But sometimes proof can not always be given, sometimes one must just trust their instincts and feelings. I am a sensitive, I can sense and feel and when entities and ghost/spirits are around. Most people can some way or another. But I do understand, it is very hard to give extraordinary proof of such things.

Thank you.

I was not trying to give you a bad time, and I'm glad you didn't take me wrong. What I was trying to do was find common ground on this issue.

I have a completely different understanding of what an entity may be. My idea is more eastern, were as what you have stated is more western. I am a Buddhist, and I believe that an entity is a living being (a person). I am talking to an entity right now. This definition of an entity can be proven, however, I believe that each of us extend into the other dimensions that are difficult to understand (I call this the nothingness). In the nothingness we are joined as one living being (all humans). If you imagine the entity as a rose bush, we are the roses on the bush. Some are just blooming, some are in the prime of their lives, while others are dyeing and falling away. A dead person is disconnected from their entity and is dead. In my belief, there is only the body, the mind, and the Buddha. The body is this physical machine, the mind is the awareness of self and the Buddha is the entity. There must be all three or there is death. A mind (ghost) can not exist without the body and Buddha (entity).

Sounds like the Christian dogma of anything seperate from God is ultimate death. I believe that. When I say God I mean the ultimate force.

But then, what are Buddhists trying to acheive? Are you trying to acheive happyness like say, an orgasm? Or are you trying to acheive a seperation of a "me" like say, a plant?