Demonic Possession, A Realy Possibility?

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
you people are so thick headed. All demonic Possessions lead to death,if not caught in the early stages. Thats why demons posses people, They are evil entities (for lack of a better word) who where never given a chance at life, they are jealous of human lives and will try and brake down the will of the living and take control. Like I said demonic possession leads to death, Thats your problem if you don't want to believe. I am tired of people not believing in this or acting like people who do are nuts. YOU CANT ALWAYS PROVE EVERYTHING!. Perhaps thats why God leaves somethings unprovable. Its not meant to be proved. You just need to trust your heart and faith in the Lord.

^ note, this reply is not just meant for RJ but for all of you in general who still says it cant happen.

Not saying it can't happen, I'm just very skeptical of the whole thing. I have an extremely hard time believing in anything the Bible says simply because it contradicts itself so much. Not only that, but man wrote it, and man (humanity) is not perfect. I'm not saying there's something wrong with not being perfect, it's just the way we are. We are inherently flawed, and, for me at least, therein lies the beauty of life.

I'm not trying to go around attacking anybodies religion, or their beliefs, simply stating what I believe to be true. In the end I may be wrong. Who knows? Who can really say for sure? But I learned early on that I can't live my life in fear of being wrong. I can't be afraid to make those mistakes, because without mistakes we don't really live. Just my personal philosophy. That's me trusting my heart. ^_~

As for what you said, I realise you meant well with your earlier statements about demonic possession, and your statements about God, but you've been rather rude about it in the last few. Just a tip: nobody likes to be talked down to, and honestly, it feels like you're doing that, though you may not be intending to do so. I, personally, don't think you're nuts for believing in what you believe in. You have every right in the world to believe whatever you want. Hell, you could even believe that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the earth, and I wouldn't have a problem with it. It's when people act like their religion is the only religion that I get upset. Because it's quite narrow minded to think like that.

If, God forbid, anything happens to me or someone I know, or I somehow come accross evidence from a reliable source that I trust, I'll believe. It's as simple as that. I already believe in many things that I can't see; that's not the issue. The point is that I don't go off on someone when they don't believe in the exact same thing as me. I'd much rather hear what they have to say, and see if I can maybe learn something valuable from it. I'd suggest you do the same; it makes life a lot more interesting.

If you have anything more to say on the subject, and you'd like to say it in a respectful manner, I'm all ears.

Demons exist, The Devil does not.

Originally posted by inthesilence
Not saying it can't happen, I'm just very skeptical of the whole thing. I have an extremely hard time believing in anything the Bible says simply because it contradicts itself so much. Not only that, but man wrote it, and man (humanity) is not perfect. I'm not saying there's something wrong with not being perfect, it's just the way we are. We are inherently flawed, and, for me at least, therein lies the beauty of life.

I'm not trying to go around attacking anybodies religion, or their beliefs, simply stating what I believe to be true. In the end I may be wrong. Who knows? Who can really say for sure? But I learned early on that I can't live my life in fear of being wrong. I can't be afraid to make those mistakes, because without mistakes we don't really live. Just my personal philosophy. That's me trusting my heart. ^_~

As for what you said, I realise you meant well with your earlier statements about demonic possession, and your statements about God, but you've been rather rude about it in the last few. Just a tip: nobody likes to be talked down to, and honestly, it feels like you're doing that, though you may not be intending to do so. I, personally, don't think you're nuts for believing in what you believe in. You have every right in the world to believe whatever you want. Hell, you could even believe that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the earth, and I wouldn't have a problem with it. It's when people act like [B]their religion is the only religion that I get upset. Because it's quite narrow minded to think like that.

If, God forbid, anything happens to me or someone I know, or I somehow come accross evidence from a reliable source that I trust, I'll believe. It's as simple as that. I already believe in many things that I can't see; that's not the issue. The point is that I don't go off on someone when they don't believe in the exact same thing as me. I'd much rather hear what they have to say, and see if I can maybe learn something valuable from it. I'd suggest you do the same; it makes life a lot more interesting.

If you have anything more to say on the subject, and you'd like to say it in a respectful manner, I'm all ears. [/B]

First off let me say I am sorry, I didn't realize I was being rude. I was only trying to say my beliefs, which I feel strongly about so sometimes I come off as forceful 😮. I am sorry if I offended or upset you. I was only trying to give my opinion 😮

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
First off let me say I am sorry, I didn't realize I was being rude. I was only trying to say my beliefs, which I feel strongly about so sometimes I come off as forceful 😮. I am sorry if I offended or upset you. I was only trying to give my opinion 😮

I realise that. I get a little carried away with my own beliefs at times, too. ^_~ Nobody is immune. I was kind of upset about it, to be truthful, but I do get what you were trying to say, and that you were only trying to express your opinion. It's hard to be patient with people sometimes, and even the calmest and most serene of people can get frustrated. So, no hard feelings. ^_^

Originally posted by BlackC@t
Demons exist, The Devil does not.

Originally posted by BlackC@t
Demons exist, The Devil does not.

You believe in God don't you? In Heaven?

-AC

Originally posted by DanieLs_4_Ever
How is that certain?

It isn't.

No its not a "realy" possibility.

I do not believe in Heaven.

I don't know about God, depends what your definition of God is, do you define God as the energy around? That makes up trees, grass, our emotions, etc.

I'm just curious as to why you think you are a factual authority on such a subjective issue.

You can't go around telling people that things exist or don't exist.

-AC

Originally posted by inthesilence
I realise that. I get a little carried away with my own beliefs at times, too. ^_~ Nobody is immune. I was kind of upset about it, to be truthful, but I do get what you were trying to say, and that you were only trying to express your opinion. It's hard to be patient with people sometimes, and even the calmest and most serene of people can get frustrated. So, no hard feelings. ^_^

Thanks for understanding 🙂

I'm considering making my own religon, wouldn't know what to call it. Perhaps Neo-Kabbalah..

God:
God was once a sentinent being, but invaraibly died for our sins because He was too compassionate and wanted to prove man could change. His mistake costed The Trinity it's eternal life, there is is no salvation, there is no changing man's sinful nature. Not even God was capable..

Satan's Role:
Satan serves as a political rival. Satan never once gave mankind the bennefit of the doubt, and for good reason. Now without God in the picture, Satan is free to do as he pleases, however without God's compassion and parent-like features, what's the point? Satan's position now is to serve as a violant authority figure, trying desperately to bring law and order to a hectic universe. If angels can rebel surely humans can too. And once the souls become self aware of a life after death and realise thier full functions, they only become that much more difficult to cooperate with. Satan's starting to realise how futile it was to rebel. And how horrible of an accident it was for man to come into exsistance.

The Elements:
There are invaribly six elements. The four basics which we all know from zodiac, which makeup our universe. The Necro-Element which is a peversion of everyone and everything. It is the darkness that sorrounds us that we can never escape. (If you want to immagine necro-energy, take the sun's fire, now think about nuclear energy. Necro is the nuclear..)

There is also the sixth and rarely spoken of "Holy" energy. This energy is never gone into detail because it's impossible to hold domain over. We get it in very small doses, but no man, no god, could ever hope to harness it as a basic. So it's best not to think about such things..

Heaven/Hell:
Simply alternate dimensions. This along with many others in the multiverse. We are beings of energy and are redoxing costantly into new atmospheres and bodies. This is why it is so difficult for Satan and his legions to keep control of hummanity. But it is so important that he does or else we ALL will soon become subject to the quantamn field. (AKA: Death after death.) Rather then simply "execute" the most hostile souls, or trapping them in some sortof dimensional prison, Satan has cleverly devised a way to make us go through ultimate redox. Where we are constantly reincarnating, make us forget half of what we learn because our simple 4-dimensional brain can't process 18-dimension logic. This sortof forced ignorance helps keep us inline. Which I can't stress enough how important that is..

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
what BlackCat is saying is true! I took classes from people who have been working in the paranormal for 18 years. EVP's are a helpful way of communicating with spirits and entities. Tarot,Quji,Seances and welcoming demons will cause Possessions. Ghost however are harmless, they can not hurt you. Only if they were aggressive in life will they be aggressive in death. They carry their personality over. Demons, and Poltergeist (which is actually PK [Psychokenises] caused by people mostly teen girls) will harm you. But a typical haunting wont.

tarot allowing for entities to enter? please explain. (im not being sarcastic...id really like to know 🙂 )

As far as I'm concerned, tarot is just a combination of cards laid out that are interpreted in vague and different ways. Just like horoscope readings and what not.

Id really like to know how they are linked to paranormal investigation.

Tarot cards are the manifestation of one's own conciounceness. They are not dangerous by any means. Unless you consider bad news dangerous.

And Tarot readings are only as cynical and as doom savy as the person reading them.. People with good outlooks on life tend to have a good outlook in thier readings. Mom does with her Godess deck, and my traditional Rider Waite deck is always puzzled always emphasizing on how there will always be problems, and that life is just full of mistakes and complexities.. Which is how I feel..

There´s no such thing, just people who are insane, or have a few screws loose. It used to thought of as being possesed by the church which mislead the world on a lot of subjects

Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
tarot allowing for entities to enter? please explain. (im not being sarcastic...id really like to know 🙂 )

As far as I'm concerned, tarot is just a combination of cards laid out that are interpreted in vague and different ways. Just like horoscope readings and what not.

Id really like to know how they are linked to paranormal investigation.

well see, I use to use Tarot myself and then while at Paranormal Classes (they are offered every so often at a near by college) They brought up, that sometimes entities can effect the flip of the card or the one your drawn too.like how when sometimes the cards are laid out in a horseshoe you run your hand across picking the one you feel has the most 'engery', they can be negative energies drawing you to a certain card. Now Tarot is no where as bad as a Quqi(sp?) Boards, Quqi boards are a BIG NO NO!

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Tarot cards are the manifestation of one's own conciounceness. They are not dangerous by any means. Unless you consider bad news dangerous.

And Tarot readings are only as cynical and as doom savy as the person reading them.. People with good outlooks on life tend to have a good outlook in thier readings. Mom does with her Godess deck, and my traditional Rider Waite deck is always puzzled always emphasizing on how there will always be problems, and that life is just full of mistakes and complexities.. Which is how I feel..

See, I do agree about the part on whos reading them. Basically in how you interpert it. But in some cases I dont know if it is always safe. Depending on who uses them, if they are 'weak' it could lead to other things I think like getting involved in Quqi.

Quija boards.

Yeah, I believe that about them flipping the cards. Sometimes I found it odd that while I've been trying to do love spells, Lovers came up but then moved itself from a sudden wind outside to moving out of my life. (It was never in my life..)

Jennifer, a friend of mine wanted a quija board. I'd told her I'd help her get one. She wants to learn all about the occult and is psyched I'm willing to teach her. Mom got pissed..

"It opens a door! 😠 "
"She's got to find that out for herself, like teachiing a child the stove is hot and you shouldn't put your hand on it."
"NO! You tell them the stove is hot and then if they do something stupid you can't help that. You however are taking thier hand and putting it on the hot stove, just to prove a point! 😠 "
"Heheheh, yeah.. 😈 "
😛

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Quija boards.

Yeah, I believe that about them flipping the cards. Sometimes I found it odd that while I've been trying to do love spells, Lovers came up but then moved itself from a sudden wind outside to moving out of my life. (It was never in my life..)

Jennifer, a friend of mine wanted a quija board. I'd told her I'd help her get one. She wants to learn all about the occult and is psyched I'm willing to teach her. Mom got pissed..

"It opens a door! 😠 "
"She's got to find that out for herself, like teachiing a child the stove is hot and you shouldn't put your hand on it."
"NO! You tell them the stove is hot and then if they do something stupid you can't help that. You however are taking thier hand and putting it on the hot stove, just to prove a point! 😠 "
"Heheheh, yeah.. 😈 "
😛

I never spell Quija right 😮

yeah, its weird about Tarot because when I had the set, I tried to just focus on the energy and sometimes it felt really strong.

So I am guessing your mom doesn't like Quija boards either?

I don't know anyone over 30 who does, seriously.

I went to a witch shop and saw a quija board I fell inlove with. It was handcrafted and had a triquetra (which is the symbol I now wear) over the board. It was very beautiful. And what better way to manipulate the spirits then in style? 😎

She wouldn't sell it to me! 😠 Mom was even suprised at the old lady and she said something along the lines of "I'm getting a bad feeling about it, I know if Daniel were here (her son) he'd say it's bad buisness, but there's something not right about this situation.."

I don't know if that lady was empathetic on my plans to force other minds to do my will or use friends as guinnie pigs.

Or if she foresaw some sortof omen for it all coming back to me three times. (Which is what witch'es say ALOT. Very annoying..)

Either way, she wouldn't sell it to me. Which bassicaly ruined my plans. 😠