Originally posted by golem370
His number to is still higher then playing a piano in a bar. Living Tribunal as far as Marvel is concerned is there God. Until this so-called Supreme Being arrives and says no to that . He is over all of Marvels countless Universes.
you misunderstand the purpose of the Lucifer book and what it aspires to show 🙂
Originally posted by yahman
[QUOTE=4967621]Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
[B]Lucifer aspires, aspiration nescesitates boredom [/QUOTEYes i don't dount that 🙂
But you have avoided my question ? maybe not purposely. Or am i missing something ? 🙂 [/B]
your missing he doesn't want to, he wants to be bored because it lets him know he could be more, or less - it makes him understandable and allows the exploration of his psyche and the issues explored within Lucifer. It means a character - something LT does not really have. 🙂
Originally posted by golem370I agree and have always said comparing top cosmics is pointless for this reason, with this sort of power, who can you say is greater.
I never read it. But what I am trying to say is there is noway of telling who in fact is more Powerful. But from what I have seen there is no indication that Lucifer is more powerful.
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
you misunderstand the purpose of the Lucifer book and what it aspires to show 🙂
Yes but that is one of the problems i have with it... we are trying to write about characters we shouldn't have any comprehension of. The whole thing is a personfication (maybe the wrong word) of lucifer which makes it invalid.
Originally posted by yahman
Yes but that is one of the problems i have with it... we are trying to write about characters we shouldn't have any comprehension of. The whole thing is a personfication (maybe the wrong word) of lucifer which makes it invalid.
the judeo/ christian religion has always done this with Lucifer its an extension of the religion really
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
the judeo/ christian religion has always done this with Lucifer its an extension of the religion really
From what i know of the bible, there is little on the subject. Most of what generally accepted is based on Catholicisms interpretations. I know the Lucifer from the bible had very little, in the way of power. Its limited to shape shifting, and the ability to tempt all. Except for Jesus of course. 🙂
Originally posted by yahman
From what i know of the bible, there is little on the subject. Most of what generally accepted is based on Catholicisms interpretations. I know the Lucifer from the bible had very little, in the way of power. Its limited to shape shifting, and the ability to tempt all. Except for Jesus of course. 🙂
Its not all the bible Lucifer Jewish Source texts etc, are the origin of Morningstar. The Koran like the new testament explores the Devils role, revalations indicates his power 🙂 This idea is just expanded into the universe rather than just the earth in comics.
ok question lucifer stood at ground zero of the demiurgic explosion, one that could destroy an entire multiverse and didnt get a tan, tribunal was utterly destroyed by the heart of the universe as it destroyed the multiverse..........tribunal is the protector of the single marvel multiverse and hence does not have enough power as the marvel multiverse{a proven fact due to his destruction with the heart of the universe} lucifer has created one multiverse single handedly, has 50%of the power to CREATE a multiverse at any given damn time without even thinking about it and can kill himself at any time to destroy and/or create an entire multiverse{and he will be reborn intantaneously because death has no domain over him} and has also created more than one multiverses,NOW wouldnt that suggest quite simply to every1 that lucifer is above even the heart of the universe let alone the puny tribunal?
Without Michale help, Lucifer can't create Universe. And you do realise that Living Tribual is also son of God.
They are equal.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
ok question lucifer stood at ground zero of the demiurgic explosion, one that could destroy an entire multiverse and didnt get a tan, tribunal was utterly destroyed by the heart of the universe as it destroyed the multiverse..........tribunal is the protector of the single marvel multiverse and hence does not have enough power as the marvel multiverse{a proven fact due to his destruction with the heart of the universe} lucifer has created one multiverse single handedly, has 50%of the power to CREATE a multiverse at any given damn time without even thinking about it and can kill himself at any time to destroy and/or create an entire multiverse{and he will be reborn intantaneously because death has no domain over him} and has also created more than one multiverses,NOW wouldnt that suggest quite simply to every1 that lucifer is above even the heart of the universe let alone the puny tribunal?
Heart of the Univeres was God power, Lucifer would also go down extremely easily. Heart of the Universe only showed God power, no matter how powerful being aka. Living Triubunal, will go against God power, will be insect againt God power, so Lucifer would be also shown as insect against HOTU.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Without Michale help, Lucifer can't create Universe. And you do realise that Living Tribual is also son of God.
They are equal.Heart of the Univeres was God power, Lucifer would also go down extremely easily. Heart of the Universe only showed God power, no matter how powerful being aka. Living Triubunal, will go against God power, will be insect againt God power, so Lucifer would be also shown as insect against HOTU.
These trinkets are the other problem I have with marvel, why does god need trinkets
Originally posted by leonheartmm
ok question lucifer stood at ground zero of the demiurgic explosion, one that could destroy an entire multiverse and didnt get a tan, tribunal was utterly destroyed by the heart of the universe as it destroyed the multiverse..........tribunal is the protector of the single marvel multiverse and hence does not have enough power as the marvel multiverse{a proven fact due to his destruction with the heart of the universe} lucifer has created one multiverse single handedly, has 50%of the power to CREATE a multiverse at any given damn time without even thinking about it and can kill himself at any time to destroy and/or create an entire multiverse{and he will be reborn intantaneously because death has no domain over him} and has also created more than one multiverses,NOW wouldnt that suggest quite simply to every1 that lucifer is above even the heart of the universe let alone the puny tribunal?
Why are you stating this rubbish once again. Leon as a fan of the Lucifer comics i have already told you this isnt true. You obviously do not read the comics and are going by hearsay and unofficial websites. Lucifer created a UNIVERSE for the Presence and for himself and both required the aid of Michael. Michael is the matter provider, Lucifer is the shaper. They simply cannot make a universe on their own.
Lucifer killing himself will not result in the creation of a universe let alone a multiverse. Killing Michael however will result in a explosion of the demiurgic energies Yahweh gave to him which of course act as the building blocks to create a universe. Lucifer has gods will as his given power.
I spent last night gathering all appropriate scans. Speak of this rubbish again and i will post them.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Why are you stating this rubbish once again. Leon as a fan of the Lucifer comics i have already told you this isnt true. You obviously do not read the comics and are going by hearsay and unofficial websites. Lucifer created a UNIVERSE for the Presence and for himself and both required the aid of Michael. Michael is the matter provider, Lucifer is the shaper. They simply cannot make a universe on their own.Lucifer killing himself will not result in the creation of a universe let alone a multiverse. Killing Michael however will result in a explosion of the demiurgic energies Yahweh gave to him which of course act as the building blocks to create a universe. Lucifer has gods will as his given power.
I spent last night gathering all appropriate scans. Speak of this rubbish again and i will post them.
are u a pathological liar galactic storm?
no lucifer fan you say? i think he is the coolest sharacter in comics rigtht now!!!!!!!!!! both marvel or dc, i have read many lucifer comics, sandman, constantine, preacher comics among others, {its definately higher than you who after ALL HIS READINGS seems to think that lucifer can not even create a single universe without micheal, which is by far the most ridiculous thing ive heard out of ur mouth after ur definition of the pheonix force,} and btw, galactic storm, havent you been humiliated enough for one week, do you get off on humiliation or sumthin cause i can provide a lot more if you want.
The ruler of Hell isn't the opposite of God in DC.
GS is right, when Lucifer killed Michael he took him into the Void where the demiurgic power wouldn't destroy the original multiverse. Once Michael was dead (and the demiurgic power created matter) Lucifer used his own power to create a new multiverse seperate from God's.
Originally posted by Madguitarist
The ruler of Hell isn't the opposite of God in DC.GS is right, when Lucifer killed Michael he took him into the Void where the demiurgic power wouldn't destroy the original multiverse. Once Michael was dead (and the demiurgic power created matter) Lucifer used his own power to create a new multiverse seperate from God's.
a whole multiverse "seperate from Gods", interesting........
seperate from Gods hmmmm................
I see...........
Seperate from Gods.............
Keep the faith🙂
Stay Whirly 🤘