Originally posted by yahman
'Xmen Adventures 12 (which was made canon apparrently as its events were featured in Galactus' F4 Handbook 2005 bio) showed Phoenix was responsible for the creation of Galactus,'How ?
'Xmen Forever explicitly states and shows that Phoenix is the force responsible for the creation of the abstracts and it is the force that ends creation in the natural scheme of things. It also explicitly states that the abstracts and Galactus are merely the evolved humanity of previous universes ended by Phoenix and that our universes abstracts will in turn be surpassed and replaced as humanity evolves. The comic states that Phoenix is the only constant throughout creation and it shows that by tapping into the full power of the phoenix you will control creation and be supreme over all including LT .'
How .... Im really interested ? please ? 🙂
"That is shown in the comic and that is where the Phoenix retcon of 86 was abolished."
What was this ? 🙂
What was so hard to understand? Xmen Adventures as stated in my previous post was made canon by Marvel because its events were stated in Galactus' bio in the 2005 Handbook of the F4. Ok? 🙂
What do you mean how? Read the comic ive already told you how to download comics. It is stated explicitly in th ecomic that by tapping into the power of creation, by using phoenix you would become the supreme being and you would have power over all including LT. LT is then shown on his knees bowing before the Stranger tapping into the Phoenix power. Dont ask me how ask Marvel. Curiosity satisfied? I hope so. 😉 Check out Xmen Forever 1 to 6 for further info. 😄
As for the retcon of 86 which Xmen Forever abolished find the details here. Read my post for full details:
Let me know how you got on. 🙂
first off id like to congratulate galactic storm on actually posting some scans{which btw proves that u were lying when u didnt post the pheonix scans} secondly i would also like to congratulate you on the fact that by posting these scans you have proven your own point about lucifer getting his powers and being under his rule wrong,lol, that was the first universe lucifer created, u obviously havent been reading any lucifer comics{incidently if lucifer only has 50% the power to create just a universe than why did you say that he would be up their with ur version of pheonix force} n that universe was the result of micheal dying OUTSIDE CREATION, micheal has died too more times u know{if u read the comics that is,} and do u seriously believe that WORLD of the presence is a single universe?! what are you nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!{dont worry theres more to come, keep postin em scans n se how u lose without me even sayin anythyin}
Originally posted by leonheartmm
first off id like to congratulate galactic storm on actually posting some scans{which btw proves that u were lying when u didnt post the pheonix scans} secondly i would also like to congratulate you on the fact that by posting these scans you have proven your own point about lucifer getting his powers and being under his rule wrong,lol, that was the first universe lucifer created, u obviously havent been reading any lucifer comics{incidently if lucifer only has 50% the power to create just a universe than why did you say that he would be up their with ur version of pheonix force} n that universe was the result of micheal dying OUTSIDE CREATION, micheal has died too more times u know{if u read the comics that is,} and do u seriously believe that WORLD of the presence is a single universe?! what are you nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!{dont worry theres more to come, keep postin em scans n se how u lose without me even sayin anythyin}
Good try Leon but allow me to set you straight once again. 🙄
A few months ago i found out just how easy it was to download comics so i started downloading all the titles i would never actually buy myself or those i missed out on because of my age. Synchro recommended Lucifer to me so i downloaded the entire series. Funnily enough mate when you download stuff its magically in digital form 😱 meaning its a simple matter to post the jpegs for all the forum to see. 🙂
As you know im a bigger fan of Marvel than i am of DC so i actually buy Marvel title which means i cant post pictures from them because i dont have access to a scanner. Ok? Good try though 😮 🙂 😄
My scans have supported my point. Everyone can see that but you. I suggest you take a long hard look at peoples posts before you open your mouth to judge or criticise as you only make yourself look really rather silly as well as making it quite apparrent that you cannot follow anything other than the most basic chains of thought. If it wasnt for the fact that ive actually posted scans which clearly speak for themselves, i would cater for your special needs by spelling everything out just for you. 😱
Lucifer might need Michaels help to create a universe but it is made quite clear in Dc that he and his brother are second to Dc's God. That plus their integral roles in creation certainly make them peers of the White Crown Phoenix. We clear now? 😱 😂
Originally posted by leonheartmm
is it gs, my love? apparently you havent been reading the comics too well then go read sandman or preacher, screw me if you dont find lucifer being able to create multiverses and currently ruling his own.{n btw, which site do u get ur comics from most require payment of 1 knind or another}
Lucifers own comic states quite clearly that he and his brother had a hand in making a universe for Presence and then again with the help of his brother he went on to make his own universe. That is not debatable. I have posted the scans so accept it like a man. You're grasping at straws here mate. 😱
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
GS your talking about Warez trust me its a silly thing to do on a forum (this is serious and not one of my jokes, stop talking about em b4 a mod sees, I got banned for talking about video hubsx on one site)
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Phoenix getting beaten again🙂
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?
Originally posted by Creshosk
"I don't care about anything else! She died! That's all that matters! IT doesn't maytter how! All that maters is she's dead!"YOu sound sort of like one of those people that overly promote a character, you're discarding the plot device in this scene and only looking at the outcome.
Much like it'd be if someone said that Wolverine survived the sun(discarding Phoenix's help) and regenerating from a single drop of blood (ignoring the crystal)
You are ignoring the plot device here and orgasming all over a single picture.
Exactly. Well said.
Its cool though because Whirlys actions make it quite apparrent to all that his anti phoenix stance is the result of personal issues and not the result of a genuine disagreement with phoenix's placing in the hierarchy. We've made our point, his best efforts have resulted in nothing but a hit to his credibility. OUCH!! 😱 😂
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
GS your talking about Warez trust me its a silly thing to do on a forum (this is serious and not one of my jokes, stop talking about em b4 a mod sees, I got banned for talking about video hubsx on one site)
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Phoenix getting beaten again🙂
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your pride has been hurt in the past and so this farce is your way of getting your own back. Your age should render you an example to us all. Shame really 😮 😱 😂
pride hurt 😂 personal rubbish again (its all you've done for the last few posts)
back to the pic🙂
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Phoenix getting beaten again🙂
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
not really I would be if I was arguing against a picture of my favourite character getting soundly beaten 🙂 but i'm not doing that. Anyway why talk about me you or GS when we have the pic🙂😂
Phoenix getting beaten again🙂
But then all i need do is post a pic of Lucifer getting beaten by those who shouldnt be able to but does that mean his position on the hierearchy has changed? Nope 😱
Mere plot device.
Just a demonstration of the phoenix life cycle as described by Jean in New Xmen. If she hadnt allowed the doppelganger to kill her then she would have killed herself anyway. Just a part of her life cycle im afraid. A few panels later you see Jeans phoenix egg. She dies to reborn. Just like in her initial time on Earth, Jean killed herself on the moon and then a few years later Jean was born again out of the cocoon found in Jamaica bay by the F4. Sorry Whirly but you're just grasping at straws. Its so sad to see one who should be an example to us resort to such behaviour. 😮 😉 😱
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
But then all i need do is post a pic of Lucifer getting beaten by those who shouldnt be able to but does that mean his position on the hierearchy has changed? Nope 😱Mere plot device.
Just a demonstration of the phoenix life cycle as described by Jean in New Xmen. If she hadnt allowed the doppelganger to kill her then she would have killed herself anyway. Just a part of her life cycle im afraid. A few panels later you see Jeans phoenix egg. She dies to reborn. Just like in her initial time on Earth, Jean killed herself on the moon and then a few years later Jean was born again out of the cocoon found in Jamaica bay by the F4. Sorry Whirly but you're just grasping at straws. Its so sad to see one who should be an example to us resort to such behaviour. 😮 😉 😱
continued pesonal abuse and misdirection hese the pic
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Phoenix getting beaten again🙂
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?
the universe that Lucifer and Michael created was the DCU, the multiverse came about from the destruction and rebirth of that dcu, so the universe = multiverse they are just not responsible for the multiverse but still responsible for the universe understand??? also notice when Michael told Lucifer there should only be 1 Creation, that creation is the Multiverse, they just use its real name 😉.
Lucifer died from his own powers turned on himself, he was burned from the inside out. also notice when Death is talking to Lucifer she says "Its been a long long time. Since you started the BALL rolling i mean." lucifer "The Ball?" Death "The Universe the Big Bang" "the FIRST Big Bang not the ENCORE" that shows everyone they started the DCU for The Presence. so u then ask who was responsible for the universe being a multiverse??? Imperiex or The Shattered God in Wonder Woman (which could be the same being) shattered the previous dcu into a million or even billions of pieces make it a multiverse.
If Michael was kept in creation and Lucifer killed him there everything would have been destroyed. Lucifer took Michael into the void where it was safe to kill him so it would not effect the universe and at the same time he could make his own universe (michael did not know that though).