Why are they Celebrities?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You are missing the point entirely. Just because you think something is worth a certain amount doesn't prove it's true value.

Give a chocolate bar to a fat man. How much is it worth?
Give a chocolate bar to a starving man. How much is it worth?
The chocolate bar is actually the same both times.

I'm not arguing whether society values entertainment. Society has stupid values.

No its not.

The fat guy might give you 2 cents for it becuase he already had a shit load of chocolate bars seconds ago.

The starving guy might give you all the money he has for it.

Meaning that the chocolate bar is worth a lot more in a certain area of the world or to certain people. The chocolate bar is not more expensive to make but its worth a hell of a lot more to some people then to others. Its how the world works, if something is rare its going to cost you more then if its not. Obviously food is rare for the starving man so he would pay a lot more for the candy.

Originally posted by Bardock42
probably you tell all your friends that you spent your birthday money.......god.....it is so shallow.

I've NEVER told them it was my birthday money...and never told I was helping out some....If I'm asked...I say, well who ever it is...must not want you to know...WHAT WOULD BE THE PURPOSE IN TELLING THEM?
I'm not looking for stokes from anyone else.

I believe in balance.....But if one person can make a difference in another fellow human being, so be it......doesn't mean....no more entertainment for me....I just feel people are more important than things...and Celebraties...are just for entertainment...we all need that of course...I'ts just very overrated

OMG. Do you seriously not realise what I'm trying to say?
Perception of value is not the same as actual value.
Society has heavily misplaced values.

A pro athlete is not more deserving of money than a doctor or teacher.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
OMG. Do you seriously not realise what I'm trying to say?
Perception of value is not the same as actual value.
Society has heavily misplaced values.

No I don't think you are getting how this world works, I understand what you are trying to say but its simply not true.

There work may be easier then other work that is paid less, it may not be as important. But the fact is we are willing to pay them for it. We are paying them for it. Obviously society thinks they deserve the money so they get it. Yes when you look at other harder jobs you might think they shouldn't earn as much. But the fact is they entertain us we are willing to give money for that. We are doing that, they get what they deserve. Maybe the way we judge their salaries is wrong but its what we do. So they only get what they deserve. Its how this world works.

Originally posted by Fishy
No I don't think you are getting how this world works, I understand what you are trying to say but its simply not true.

There work may be easier then other work that is paid less, it may not be as important. But the fact is we are willing to pay them for it. We are paying them for it. Obviously society thinks they deserve the money so they get it. Yes when you look at other harder jobs you might think they shouldn't earn as much. But the fact is they entertain us we are willing to give money for that. We are doing that, they get what they deserve. Maybe the way we judge their salaries is wrong but its what we do. So they only get what they deserve. Its how this world works.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You are missing the point entirely. Just because you think something is worth a certain amount doesn't prove it's true value.

Give a chocolate bar to a fat man. How much is it worth?
Give a chocolate bar to a starving man. How much is it worth?
The chocolate bar is actually the same both times.

I'm not arguing whether society values entertainment. Society has stupid values.

Actually there is no true value...for there to be one there had to be something that decides a goal or something we can measure the true valuie on.

Give chocolate to fat man....1.29$
Give Chocolate to Starving Child ....1.29$

Now what it is worth to you is different ..... you seem to be one that rprefers giving chocolate to starving children so the deed is worth more to youi than the fat man deed....

Other perspective...although the Fat man probably really wants the chocolate it isn't worth as much too hi than ist is to the kid...but the kid has no oney because the kid is not worth a lot to people with money .......

I a not argueing that either I am argueing why thesy get the money they get.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
For f*cks sake, I know how the world works - it's driven by greed and selfishness. But comments like the actor deserves exorbitant amounts of money are irritating. They don't actually. They get paid $10 million for six months of dressing up and learning lines. They only receive those amounts of money because society has placed an inflated worth on what they do. People willing to pay more money for something doesn't make it more valuable or productive.

Not more productive, but apparantly more valuable. The world is indeed a stupid place to live and people have misplaced values. They think some worthless things are more important then real important things, but thats how the world works there is nothing you or I can do about it. But it does make the actors valuable.

If you see how much money can be made by them, or because of them. If you see what people are willing to do to meet them to talk to them to see them. The actors give humans a good feeling somekind of importance that makes them worth a lot. Even if what they make has a sucky quality.

Originally posted by Fishy
Not more productive, but apparantly more valuable. The world is indeed a stupid place to live and people have misplaced values. They think some worthless things are more important then real important things, but thats how the world works there is nothing you or I can do about it. But it does make the actors valuable.

If you see how much money can be made by them, or because of them. If you see what people are willing to do to meet them to talk to them to see them. The actors give humans a good feeling somekind of importance that makes them worth a lot. Even if what they make has a sucky quality.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Actually there is no true value...for there to be one there had to be something that decides a goal or something we can measure the true valuie on.

Give chocolate to fat man....1.29$
Give Chocolate to Starving Child ....1.29$

Now what it is worth to you is different ..... you seem to be one that rprefers giving chocolate to starving children so the deed is worth more to youi than the fat man deed....

Other perspective...although the Fat man probably really wants the chocolate it isn't worth as much too hi than ist is to the kid...but the kid has no oney because the kid is not worth a lot to people with money .......

Originally posted by Bardock42
I a not argueing that either I am argueing why thesy get the money they get.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So we actually agree sort of? I simply think "deserves" is the wrong word to use. Earned yes, deserves well frankly I don't think so. And the two are different things imo.
🤨 are you on about?They get the money because society has stupid values. Read above the quotes.

Deserve surely is the right word in that case though.....

Ahh well nevermind........pretty much what fishy said from another perspective....

And who decides the "Real Values"? You?.....Why are societies values stupid? Aren'T they in fact the only ones that actually count?

Societies values are stupid - someone who runs really fast is valued more by society than someone who's dedicated their life to saving lives. Although I doubt I'll have any luck convincing you, Captain Capitalism.

You know the thing is, the guy that runs really fast is seen as a hero by a lot of people. That makes him really important to those people. He saves lives by being able to run fast.

But in essence we sort of agree... They deserve it because society values them like that. But they don't deserve it because what they do isn't hard enough there are people who do more but get less. Still thats just how society has made it, and they earned that money. Society thinks they deserve it, so they do deserve it.

We basically agree. But could you clarify on why the runner saves lives?

He inspires people, famous people whether an athlete an actor a politician a singer or whatever inspires people. Can give them hope can give them a reason can make them lose doubts. That helps make people. They help make people what they are. If you inspire somebody to do something you have helped make that person what he is. That is like creating somebody his live, often times for the better thus saving them. Maybe not the way a fireman saves lives but they still do it. And in large numbers making them damn important. Society needs its hero's always has always will.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Societies values are stupid - someone who runs really fast is valued more by society than someone who's dedicated their life to saving lives. Although I doubt I'll have any luck convincing you, Captain Capitalism.

Ok....first of all you can't really say any values are good or stupid......what is there we can measure values with. Now in fact I personally might value lets say a Doctor more than an Athlete and I am willing to pay more for a Doctor than an athlete. But I if I only have to pay ten bucks for a movie that is fine with me...a price I am willing to pay and I would pay 1000 bucks for a doctor that heals my broken leg so in fact I (ands everyone else values doctors more) but I only need someone to fix my leg let's say every 20 years (probably not even that) and there are ten thousand doctors that can do it, I enjoy going to a movie every month or so thouzgh and there are only a few hundred actors I like to see........you see it is easy to calculate......and all in all they get more money because more people are willing to pay money....and they deserve this money because they get people to pay it while the NUrse in a Hospital only gets a few people to pay her money and can easily be replaced.

by the way...what gender are you?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Ok....first of all you can't really say any values are good or stupid......what is there we can measure values with. Now in fact I personally might value lets say a Doctor more than an Athlete and I am willing to pay more for a Doctor than an athlete. But I if I only have to pay ten bucks for a movie that is fine with me...a price I am willing to pay and I would pay 1000 bucks for a doctor that heals my broken leg so in fact I (ands everyone else values doctors more) but I only need someone to fix my leg let's say every 20 years (probably not even that) and there are ten thousand doctors that can do it, I enjoy going to a movie every month or so thouzgh and there are only a few hundred actors I like to see........you see it is easy to calculate......and all in all they get more money because more people are willing to pay money....and they deserve this money because they get people to pay it while the NUrse in a Hospital only gets a few people to pay her money and can easily be replaced.

by the way...what gender are you?

As for my gender... I have no idea why it's relevant but I'm a guy.

Btw everything I write is my opinion. I never intend anything as an absolute - unless it's proven actual factual information - in which case I will present it as such. I'm not deciding societies values are stupid - I think societies values are stupid.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Why are you measuring everything in terms of how much people are willing to pay for something? You certainly hold nurses in low regard... 😬

As for my gender... I have no idea why it's relevant but I'm a guy.

No I don't.....I think nurses are great ynd all...as people they are worth as much to me as anyone else..:I make no difference...I am just not willing to pay the same amount of money for their profession as for an accountant that can tripple my money.

As for your gender, it is important because I don't really like to refering to people as "it", so in tjhe future I will say "he" talking aboot you.....nothing more really.

Because thats what they are worth to society. They might be worth far more to you once you need them then a movie star but you need the movie star more often making them worth more. Especially to the entire world, a movie star is far more important to the entire world then the nurse in your local hospital is. Maybe not to you when you need the nurse, but to the entire world? The movie star has a far greater impact on the world affecting the lives of millions if not billions making them more important then the nurse that affects the lives of a 1000 at most.

The day I let a movie star decide anything in my life my life is the day after I've lost my mind.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The day I let a movie star decide anything in my life my life is the day after I've lost my mind.

Well.....that's good...and yo don't need them to decide for you.....maybe they make you feel better. Who knows.

Anyways....be hojnest...how often did you watch a movie (TV or Home) in the last year? And what do you think all in all you payed for it?

Are you so sure? Have you ever been sad or happy after hearing a song. A song can influence your entire mood and often does. Ever decided to do something after seeing a movie on a certain subject? A lot of people have... They are not doing something because the movie star says "Do this and do that" but because the movie the actor plays in makes them think about certain things. Movies can influence the minds of billions. They can make people accept or hate things, they can make people like or hate things. A great movie about the torturing of prisoners would make a lot of people wonder about prison guards and might even start a riot about it. A great movie about how good prisons are put in a realistic picture might make people believe that.

Its what happens with movies. Its what they do. They influence people, whether they like it or not.