Jesus Christ

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Which is [b]flooded with massive contradictions and contains such unclarity which allows it to be given infinite intepretation.

I rather take my chances with Life than with a book like that. 😉 [/B]

1 John 4:5-6
They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

Urizen, you are not of God (i.e. you are not God's child) this is why you have a hard time understanding the Bible. You do not have the Holy Spirit living on the inside of you. The Holy Spirit reveals God's Word to the believer and bears witness with our spirit that the Bible is true.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
1 John 4:5-6
[B]They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

Urizen, you are not of God (i.e. you are not God's child) this is why you have a hard time understanding the Bible. You do not have the Holy Spirit living on the inside of you. The Holy Spirit reveals God's Word to the believer and bears witness with our spirit that the Bible is true. [/B]

I was always told God loves everybody, and everybody is considered his child. Are you saying now God doesn't in fact love or consider you a child unless you believe?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
1 John 4:5-6
[B]They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

Urizen, you are not of God (i.e. you are not God's child) this is why you have a hard time understanding the Bible. You do not have the Holy Spirit living on the inside of you. The Holy Spirit reveals God's Word to the believer and bears witness with our spirit that the Bible is true. [/B]

So you are seriously saying he is not god child's anymore, hmm...

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God still loves you and wants you to spend eternity with Him in Heaven.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
1 John 4:5-6
[B]They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

Urizen, you are not of God (i.e. you are not God's child) this is why you have a hard time understanding the Bible. You do not have the Holy Spirit living on the inside of you. The Holy Spirit reveals God's Word to the believer and bears witness with our spirit that the Bible is true. [/B]

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 You seriously are a nutcase !

No intended insult here, dude, you need help ! And FAST !

Facts about me:

1) I was raised a Christian.
2) I often do pray to God.
3) We are all God's children, that includes me buddy !
4) I contain no Hatred, no judgemental, no bias, and therefore no evil.
5) I am probably the least selfish person you ever met.
6) Also am one of the most rational.

I will waste no more time on such a pointless and brainwashed argument. I suggest you get some psychiatric help bro. People like you slow this world's progress down ! ✅

Originally posted by ushomefree
Deano-

I believe that your views are extremely short sighted. No pun intended. My first entry into this forum had little mention of the Bible. It delt primarily with sources "outside" of the Bible. Fact is, we know more about the details of the hours immediately before and the actual death of Jesus, in and near Jerusalem, then we know about the death of any other one man in all the ancient world (just using sources "outside" of the Bible).

Sources from outside the Bible corroborate that many people believed Jesus performed healings and was the Messiah, that He was crucified and that despite His shameful death, His followers, who believed He was still alive, worshiped Him as God. And, there are thirty-nine ancient sources that corroborate more than 100 facts concerning Jesus' life, teachings, crucifixion and resurrection. Again, these findings have NOTHING to do with the Bible.

Some of the most important non-biblical writings, of the thousands available, are the following: Rylans Papyrus (A.D. 115 - A.D. 125), Bodmer Papyri (A.D. 150 - A.D. 200), Chester Beatty Papyri (A.D. 100 - A.D. 300), Codex Vaticanus (Early 300s) Codex Sinaiticus (Early 300s), and The Vulgate (A.D. 400).

Did you like the movie Troy? Do you know how many "original" manuscripts are available to cross-check its historicity? Six hundred fourty-three (643) is the answer. And that is the SECOND most abundant source of historical works of antiquity in the entire world. You have faith in that right? Well? Do you doubt the story of Troy? Of course not! Anyone with eyes and the ability to read would know that the story of Troy is true! We can argue over trivial things, but doing so does not take away from its validity (in retrospect).

Dealing with the Bible, the Gospels have 24,970 "original" manuscripts to cross-check accuracy, and it's 99.5% accurate, even today! The Dead Sea Scrolls too verify that, found roughly 50 years ago. Granted, a lot of the scrolls found were fragmented, but with what archaeologists and historians had to work with, they found only a few "minor" discrepancies- nothing major. And the book of Isaiah was found fully intact, written 750 years before Jesus was even born. Read Isaiah 53:1-12. It's so descriptive of Jesus, that some Jewish sects actually remove it from scripture.

Point is, you simply can't say that Jesus and the Gospels are human invention without being disputed by history and archeology. It's laughable. People are at liberty to make this or that claim about Jesus or the Gospels themselves, but the truth of the matter is, the Gospels are the most accurate source of historical works on the face of the planet! This is bluntly obvious if you do the research. Can you honestly tell me that you studied with an open mind? It's just an honest question?!

Hello delusions! If you're so right...where did you get your information from. Because I'm almost positive its incorrect. Troy well documented? Please. I believe the only original source documenting ti was Homer's Illiad and Homer hasn't been really proven to exist. If Tory is so darn well documented, why havent they found Troy or any evidence of the Torjan War? Even some classic greek Philosophers doubeted the Trojan War.

Judging your accuracy on that....I want sources.

Sorry. {edit}

You used my quintuple smilie! [laugh]

Slowing Progress bash

Alliance-

I never stated that the story of Troy was well documented. I simply stated that the Illiad is the second most adundant source of historical works in the entire world; six hundred fourty-three (643) original manuscripts remain today! To further comment, the third most abundant source of historical works are the Gallic Wars by Julius Caeser. And only ten (10) original manuscripts remain. As we peer further into other writings, the sum of original manuscripts become less and less. Historical works by Pliny the Younger for instance only number by seven (7), at least, that's all that's been recovered so far? The Gospels are at the top of the list with a whopping 24,970 original mannuscripts! The more manuscripts, the more cross checks to verify accuracy. The point that I was trying to make, is that, people embrace stories like Troy as true, but deny the Gospels. The Gospels are the most abundant source of historical works on the face of the planet. You'd think, it would be the other way around, especially when you have sources available "outside" of the Bible supporting the Gospels themselves, not to mention Jesus?

We are taught about the story of Troy/Trojan War in elementary school. You can purchase an unlimited amount of books about that particular point in history at any book store; you could even acquire DVD material shopping online at the History Channel or A & E. If not, rent a few books at your local library? If you are looking for detailed information, I would recommend that you do one of the following a seperate yourself from the internet. Granted, their are good sources of information on the internet, but some are questionable. If you do use the internet, use sites that contain a bibliography that help support its claims at the minimum. You could also check to see who establised the site? A source of information provided by Harvard University is most likely more credible that a site posted by someone with bias views?

I am not the source of all knowledge, but it is obvious to me when someone does their homework, as opposed to someone simply looking for an argument by making absurd claims about Jesus being a sun god. Deano may truly believe that? He may not mean any harm? He is looking for the truth? There is nothing wrong with voicing your opinion, but it is obvious to me, that Deano has overlooked and missed important information along the lines. No disrespect!! Please, I mean no disrespect!! Only Deano knows how honest he has been with himself? Only Deano knows how credible his information is? Only Deano knows if he is being fair?

Hello. Jesus is portrayed identiacally to Apllo and Ra, both sun god, they have disks of light around their heads.

Your misinformation about what is reaseach is disturbing. Achillies and Troy likely did not happen just becuase there are many manuscripts of the Iliad doesnt mean its true and it doesn't mean it wasnt changed. The Iliad was an oral poem, if you have done any research, it wan't written down until much later.

Just because somehting was written in the past doesnt mean it a hisotirical document. Nothing outside of the bible at that time backs up its historical accuracy. Nothing.

If you think you're so right. Give me the webiste where you get your information from.

Hallos on their heads like in the Catholic churches........yep!!

Oh and lets talk about the accuracy of the scrolls....Here they are..

http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible2.htm

Originally posted by Deano
[b]There is no credible evidence whatsoever for the existence of Jesus. No archaeological evidence, no written evidence, nothing. So it is with Solomon, Moses, David, Abraham, Samson and countless other biblical ‘stars’. All we have are the Levite texts and the Gospel stories in their various versions.

• The prophecies said that the ‘messiah’ (messeh, the crocodile of Egypt) would be called Emmanuel, but the name of the Gospel ‘messiah’ was Jesus, or at least its Judean equivalent. Oops!

• The Christian Eucharist, when they eat bread and drink wine to symbolise the body and blood of Christ, originates with a cannibalistic ritual when they ate and drank the real thing in animal and human sacrifices.

• Even according to the Gospel stories, Jesus was surrounded by terrorists. Simon Magus was known as Simon Zelotes (the Zealot) to acknowledge his role as a commander of the Zealots, the ‘freedom fighters’ who advocated a war against the Romans. Another description is Simon ‘Kananites’, a Greek word meaning fanatic.
This was translated into English as Simon the Canaanite! Judas ‘Iscariot’ derives from the word Sicarius, which meant assassin. There was a terrorist group called the Sicani or Sons of the Dagger, and this name comes from the word, Sica, meaning curved dagger. Sicarius became the Greek, Sikariotes, and this was later mistranslated into English as Iscariot. The Zealots-Sicani would raid Roman supply caravans and ambush their soldiers very much along the lines of terrorist groups like the IRA in
Northern Ireland.

• People were not crucified for theft which makes the story of the two thieves crucified with Jesus another invention. It is a ‘steal’ once again because the same story was told about some of the pre-Christian Jesus figures. The punishment for the ‘crimes’ Jesus was accused of in the Gospels would have been stoning to death by the Judean authorities, not the Romans.

• Pontius Pilatus, the Roman Procurator in this period, is supposed to have washed his hands and passed on responsibility for the death of ‘Jesus’ to the crowd. The washing of hands to indicate innocence was the custom of the Essene community. The Bible says that it was the Roman custom at the time of the Passover Festival to offer a prisoner for release, but this is simply not true. There was no such custom and the scene is invention.

1. Yes there is archaelogical evidence of Solomon, found in Saudi Arabia at Sheba. I'm not sure about the rest but Moses's existence is evident from the sudden 'exodus' of the Hebrews from Egypt. David was supposed to have ruled Israel before Solomon and explains the sudden expansion of the Israeli kingdom. Samson I can't say much.

2. Jesus's name (equivalent to Joshua) did indicate that he was the Messiah. It is fact that many Jewish mothers of his time and preceding his time named their boys Joshua in hopes that he might be the Messiah. Figure that out.

3. Eucharist origins are evident in the painting of the Last Supper. It is fairly obvious that the Last Supper happened whether Jesus was the son of God or not.

4. Jesus never condemned the Zealots and might even have indirectly supported their movement because he of all people would know that it was God's will that Israel be ruled by God alone.

5. Judean authorities were not allowed to stone Jesus or commit any form of capital punishment, only appeal to Roman authorities to perform it for them. Cruxification was the Roman's preferred method of capital punishment.

6. I do not know the Roman prisoner customs of the time so I won't comment on that point, but I do have a thought that perhaps Pontius Pilatus may have adopted an Essene custom to effectively communicate with the people under his rule. Politicians do this even today.

Originally posted by Alliance
Hello. Jesus is portrayed identiacally to Apllo and Ra, both sun god, they have disks of light around their heads.

Your misinformation about what is reaseach is disturbing. Achillies and Troy likely did not happen just becuase there are many manuscripts of the Iliad doesnt mean its true and it doesn't mean it wasnt changed. The Iliad was an oral poem, if you have done any research, it wan't written down until much later.

Just because somehting was written in the past doesnt mean it a hisotirical document. Nothing outside of the bible at that time backs up its historical accuracy. Nothing.

If you think you're so right. Give me the webiste where you get your information from.

well said. 🙂

who do people choose to believe religions anyway. all it does is seperate humanity

''The ‘normal’ person believes, either overtly, or covertly, that there is some sort of all-powerful god or supernatural being, watching over them. This same being has a kind of book, in which it marks the times when you have been a good boy or girl, and the times when you have been a naughty boy or girl. When you die, if the good points do not outweigh the naughty points then you will be severely punished - possibly for all eternity. So the ‘normal’ person struggles all of their life to try and live by rules imposed by other people, or groups of people, or warped religions. They worry if laws are transgressed, and they spend a certain amount of time agonizing, looking over their
shoulders or confessing their ‘sins’.

Even those who profess atheism still retain a nagging doubt in the back of their minds that somewhere a score is being kept of their good deeds vs. their bad deeds. There are very, very few people who are free of this man-made belief.

The vast majority of religions are wrong. The meaning of the original teachings of the world’s major religions have been twisted, altered and decimated by those looking to benefit either financially or egotistically. Individual religious leaders have violated the Immutable Laws of Nature, imposing their own laws, and in the process have created even more unhappiness.''

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 You seriously are a nutcase !

No intended insult here, dude, you need help ! And FAST !

Facts about me:

1) I was raised a Christian.
2) I often do pray to God.
3) We are all God's children, that includes me buddy !
4) I contain no Hatred, no judgemental, no bias, and therefore no evil.
5) I am probably the least selfish person you ever met.
6) Also am one of the most rational.

I will waste no more time on such a pointless and brainwashed argument. I suggest you get some psychiatric help bro. People like you slow this world's progress down ! ✅

Facts about me:

1) I was raised a Christian.
2) I often do pray to God.
3) We are all God's children, that includes me buddy !
4) I contain no Hatred, no judgemental, no bias, and therefore no evil.
5) I am probably the least selfish person you ever met.
6) Also am one of the most rational.

lord Urizen, the ONLY Lord I know is Jesus the Christ.

Now, is this a resume or are you trying to convince yourself of something?

[B]"We are all God's children...."

Urizen, no we are NOT ALL God's children. You see, according to the Holy Bible--my source and that upon which I base everything that I write--states that there are in essence only two groups of people. There are those who are saved and then there are those who are not saved.

That is it.

There isn't any other groups of people. You are either a child of God or you are a child of satan. Now to refute your assertion that, "We are all God's children...."

Let me preface this with first saying that I believe one of the reasons that there is so much controversy going back and forth on this forum about Who Jesus is, the Bible, other religions and so forth is that many people do not want to come to terms with the fact that the Bible IS God's Word. And, hence, we ought to base everything that we write on this premise. But I do not see many people doing that. I see people basing their posts on OPINIONS, FEELINGS, EMOTIONS, SUPERSTITION, LEGEND, FOLK LORE, TRADITION--everything but the B-I-B-L-E.

Now, back to my message. I have been maligned repeatedly for doing this but folks this is where I stand out from most of you. I do not base my writings on any of those things except the Bible. So, I will not deviate. I know who I am in Christ, what I have in Christ, what I can do in Christ, and where I am in Christ. I know what God called and ANOINTED me to do: teach and preach the Word of God--the Holy Bible.

So, that said, I QUOTE:

John 1:12
But as many as RECEIVED HIM (JESUS CHRIST), TO THEM He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
Did you get that Urizen? Only those who have received Jesus Christ were given the right to become children of God; only those who have been given this right AND who believe in HIS NAME. I submit to you that only those who fit this description are children of God. Not everyone has received Him. To receive Him means to confess Him as your Lord, trusting Him for salvation from your sins. This is what is meant by this passage. Many people on this forum and abroad throughtout the world don't even believe that Jesus Christ ever existed, let alone that He is Lord. So, no, unless you have bowed your knee to Jesus Christ, in essence asking Him to be your Lord and Savior, then it doesn't matter whether you were, raised Christian, pray to God, contain no hatred, are not judgemental, not biased, or evil. It does not matter that your are probably the least selfish person that I ever met or whether or not you are one of the most rational.

None of those things matter. If Jesus Christ is not your Lord and Savior, then you, yes you, are not a child of God.

Check yourself out by the Scriptures don't base your relationship with God--or lack thereof on anything except God's Word--the Holy Bible.

I don't mean to reprove you but I want you to be sure so that you don't miss Heaven because you think that you have a relationship with God that you base on those so-called facts of yours. They don't mean a thing to God. God will look in the Lamb's Book of Life for your name. Guess what if it ain't there, then you ain't God's child.

Folks, it is that simple.

Nothing about religion is simple.

You are incredibly selfish, exceedingly judgmental, and the least rational person here.

Facts about me:

1) I was raised a Christian, but no longer a Christian.
2) I often do pray to God.
3) We are all God's children, that includes me buddy !
4) I contain no Hatred, no judgemental, no bias, and therefore no evil.
5) I am probably the least selfish person you ever met.
6) Also am one of the most rational. 🙂

Oooo. My turn!

Facts about me:

1) I was raised to believe in what I felt was right, thus I am not Christian.
2) I do not pray to God.
3) We are all human, and we alone are responsible for our lives, not any god.
4) I contain no Hatred, no judgemental, no bias, and therefore no evil.
5) I am probably the least selfish person you ever met.
6) Rationality is one of my watchwords.

Facts about me:

1. I was raised int he belief that a good CHirstian cared about his community. THat Jesus was about building relationships an dserving the good of others, without motive, regardless of their faith. I am not longer a Christian.

Thus 2. I never pray to and god(s).
3. Man is the greatest power. Answer to the God within yourself.
4. I hate. I judge. I have bais but try to see around it. Anyone who doesnt say this is imo a liar. I am still not evil.
5. I can be selfish. I am often not. Everyone is.
6. Rational. Yes.

Originally posted by Alliance
Facts about me:

1. I was raised int he belief that a good CHirstian cared about his community. THat Jesus was about building relationships an dserving the good of others, without motive, regardless of their faith. I am not longer a Christian.

Thus 2. I never pray to and god(s).
3. Man is the greatest power. Answer to the God within yourself.
4. I hate. I judge. I have bais but try to see around it. Anyone who doesnt say this is imo a liar. I am still not evil.
5. I can be selfish. I am often not. Everyone is.
6. Rational. Yes. But I was born a fighter. Passion and Rationality are a powerful combunation. I aim to be the compustion engine to the combustion itself.