Originally posted by ESB -1138
And you believe that there is no God right? So what's the problem with you? If there is no God we are no better then the animals that hunt and kill one another. We are no better then the very chickens and cows we kill to eat. If there is no God then life is meaningless. If life is meaningless then life has no meaning. If life has no meaning is doesn't matter who is killed.But blessed is the name of the Lord.
Hmm, I think you are mistaken.
Not all people who do not believe in Abrahamic God, believe that life is meanignless.
Life is full of meaning.
Elimiating the alter ego of ''I am a creation created by god, independindent of all others and judged for eternal purpose'' is the greatest meaning of life.
You don't have to believe or fear a God in order to be good. Take a look at the Buddhists of this world.
Unlike the Muslims and Christians, there has never been an argument of ''You have missunderstood the verses of Buddhism''
Noone ever missunderstood Buddhism, nor has anyone ever misstook anything it said for violence or discrimination.
And Buddhists do not believe in sole creator.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Hmm, I think you are mistaken.Not all people who do not believe in Abrahamic God, believe that life is meanignless.
Life is full of meaning.Elimiating the alter ego of ''I am a creation created by god, independindent of all others and judged for eternal purpose'' is the greatest meaning of life.
You don't have to believe or fear a God in order to be good. Take a look at the Buddhists of this world.
Unlike the Muslims and Christians, there has never been an argument of ''You have missunderstood the verses of Buddhism''
Noone ever missunderstood Buddhism, nor has anyone ever misstook anything it said for violence or discrimination.
And Buddhists do not believe in sole creator.
I forgot to mention that 😮
Originally posted by debbiejo
Don't quote Paul........I don't take him as gospel anyway.. 🙄 And for Revelations...We don't know the author of it or what he might of been on........same stories are also found in older.......LISTEN TO ME..........OLDER!! mythologies...
Paul has wrote more of the NT then anyone else. he was a disciple of Jesus and like the Bible his word is true.
And the author of Revelation is John.
Revelation 1:1-2
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Paul has wrote more of the NT then anyone else. he was a disciple of Jesus and like the Bible his word is true.And the author of Revelation is John.
Revelation 1:1-2
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Paul can only be accepted if you believe in prophets following Christ. His experience is following the ascension and as such is only valid if prophets were continuing after Christ. Given the attitude of mainstream Christians regarding the possibility of man seeing Christ literally today, it is hypocritical to accept Paul. Given this, the only Christians that should accept his writings are those that believe that the need for prophets continues.
Originally posted by Regret
Paul can only be accepted if you believe in prophets following Christ. His experience is following the ascension and as such is only valid if prophets were continuing after Christ. Given the attitude of mainstream Christians regarding the possibility of man seeing Christ literally today, it is hypocritical to accept Paul. Given this, the only Christians that should accept his writings are those that believe that the need for prophets continues.
There is no need for prophets today. All that needs to be said is in the Bible written by the Discilpes (Paul was 1 of the 12 Disciples who was taught by Jesus) or someone who knew them very well.
Romans 1:1
Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God
Matthew 16:18
And I say unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it
Jesus himself told Paul what to do in the book of Matthew.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
There is no need for prophets today. All that needs to be said is in the Bible written by the Discilpes (Paul was 1 of the 12 Disciples who was taught by Jesus) or someone who knew them very well.Romans 1:1
Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of GodMatthew 16:18
And I say unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against itJesus himself told Paul what to do in the book of Matthew.
Paul saw Christ after his ascension. Paul's statements in Romans are supposed to be his statements. They cannot be taken to be valid unless prophecy following Christ is accepted. Jesus himself told Peter what to do in the book of Matthew, Paul was not there.
"Paul was 1 of the 12 Disciples who was taught by Jesus" No, he wasn't, unless of course prophecy occurs after Christ's coming. Paul was the second apostle ordained after Christ's ascension, following Mathias. Paul only became an apostle due to prophecy following Christ's ascension. Prophecy on the part of Paul, and on the part of Ananias, who was not an apostle. And both occurred in 35 AD, 2-3 years following Christ's ascension. Thus, Paul was not a Christian, and in fact was an antichrist, until two years after Christ.
Acts 9:1-20
1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
9 And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.
10 ¶ And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.
11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name’s sake.
17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
19 And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.
20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
Acceptance of Paul is acceptance of the need for prophets following Christ.
Originally posted by Regret
Paul saw Christ after his ascension. Paul's statements in Romans are supposed to be his statements. They cannot be taken to be valid unless prophecy following Christ is accepted. Jesus himself told Peter what to do in the book of Matthew, Paul was not there."Paul was 1 of the 12 Disciples who was taught by Jesus" No, he wasn't, unless of course prophecy occurs after Christ's coming. Paul was the second apostle ordained after Christ's ascension, following Mathias. Paul only became an apostle due to prophecy following Christ's ascension. Prophecy on the part of Paul, and on the part of Ananias, who was not an apostle. And both occurred in 35 AD, 2-3 years following Christ's ascension. Thus, Paul was not a Christian, and in fact was an antichrist, until two years after Christ.
Acceptance of Paul is acceptance of the need for prophets following Christ.
Matthew 10: 1-5
AND when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
Now the names of the twelves are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Leddaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeurs;
Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Matthew 10: 1-5
AND when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.Now the names of the twelves are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Leddaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeurs;
Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him
Which only supports my statements, these verses lend validity to what I have stated. In no way does it strengthen your case.
Paul was an Apostle
Galatians 1:1
PAUL, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead😉
He was called forth by Jesus; the works were not yet completed. He even said so himself
Matthew 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. A-men
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Paul was an ApostleGalatians 1:1
PAUL, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead😉He was called forth by Jesus; the works were not yet completed. He even said so himself
Matthew 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. A-men
These verses both support prophecy following Christ. The only means by which Paul could have been called by Christ is through prophecy. His calling is made through prophecy in Acts 9. It is evidence that prophecy continues.
So, if you want to accept Paul you must accept prophecy following Christ's ascension.
Originally posted by Regret
These verses both support prophecy following Christ. The only means by which Paul could have been called by Christ is through prophecy. His calling is made through prophecy in Acts 9. It is evidence that prophecy continues.So, if you want to accept Paul you [b]must
accept prophecy following Christ's ascension. [/B]
Revelation alone is a prophecy. But now there is no need of one because all that is needed has been said.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Revelation alone is a prophecy. But now there is no need of one because all that is needed has been said.
So, if you want to accept Paul you must accept revelation/prophecy following Christ's ascension.
You still haven't supported the claim that "now there is no need of one because all that is needed has been said."
Originally posted by Regret
So, if you want to accept Paul you must accept revelation/prophecy following Christ's ascension.You still haven't supported the claim that "now there is no need of one because all that is needed has been said."
Because the Bible is written. There is no need for anything else because all that needs to be said has been said.
Revelation 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Because the Bible is written. There is no need for anything else because all that needs to be said has been said.Revelation 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book
Deuteronomy 4:2
2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Deuteronomy was stated long before Paul. If Revelations means that "there is no need for anything else because all that needs to be said has been said", then Deuteronomy makes everything written thereafter false by the same words.
Originally posted by Regret
Deuteronomy 4:2
2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.Deuteronomy was stated long before Paul. If Revelations means that "there is no need for anything else because all that needs to be said has been said", then Deuteronomy makes everything written thereafter false by the same words.
That's speaking of the 10 commandments not the Bible
Originally posted by Regret
And Revelations is speaking of the book of Revelations and not the Bible.
No that's the entire Bible. Nothing more needs to be said. Nothing in the NT is called "books" but the gospels and the epistles and Revelation alone is just called Revaltion and thus saying:
words of the prophecy of this book
Means the entire Bible. Only the OT are referred too as books. Book of Gensis, Book of Ezekiel, and so on.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
No that's the entire Bible. Nothing more needs to be said. Nothing in the NT is called "books" but the gospels and the epistles and Revelation alone is just called Revaltion and thus saying:words of the prophecy of this book
Means the entire Bible. Only the OT are referred too as books. Book of Gensis, Book of Ezekiel, and so on.
The NT is not a series of Books. It is first the Gospels and then the Epistles (letters if you didn't know.)
"Only the OT are referred too as books." So then, all the writings in the NT fall under condemnation by your statement, they were added to the Bible books as defined by yourself.
All the same, I am still correct. Pay attention to the colon and its use. As Follows:
Revelation 22:18-1918 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
The book of this prophecy. Only referring to the book that is Revelations.