Jesus Christ

*["Its not input, its ranting and its not appreciated..."]

***"Ranting" IS imput...and is the sterotypical "strawman" used by those who are DISPLEASED by those whose "imput" is NOT appreciated. RANTING then IS "imput"..."for a rose by any other name should smell as sweet."

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*["...The world is not black in white..."]

***Yes, it is. The REASON you say it it NOT is because YOU have NO "moral compass"...and because of that do not BELIEVE in "moral absolutes". There ARE "moral absolutes"...to wit🙁1) right and wrong are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE...(2)day and night are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE...(3)black and white are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE...(4)sin and righteousness are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE...(5)good and evil are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE...(6)light and darkness are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE...(7)normal and abnormal are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE...ad infinitum. BOTTOM-LINE: There is only ONE "truth"...only ONE "way"...only ONE "life"...for Jesus says:"I am the "way"...the "truth"...and the "life"...NO ONE comes unto the Father but BY ME!" [John 14:6]..."...God is LIGHT, and in Him is NO DARKNESS at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him and walk in DARKNESS, we lie and do not the TRUTH" [1 John 1:5,6].

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*["Children barely see it that way..."]

***Children are incapable of making those kind of judgments...and the judgments that they make are coloured by the perspectives of their parents. If their parents are capable of making sound judgments predicated on a sound "moral compass"...then the children will, most likely, inherit those sound judgments from their parents. If not...they will NOT be able to make sound judgments because their parents had no "moral compass" to pass down to them.

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*["...'twisted' is a point of view and has no credible basis. You've shown that you've been unwilling to see things from another point of view, which is not surprising given your totalitarian ideology..."]

***You are correct! My view is very "narrow" and I am, indeed, "unwilling to see things from another point of view." My Christian faith dictates that we have this "narrow" way of thinking...for our Saviour Jesus Christ tells us: "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for WIDE is the gate, and BROAD is the way, that leadeth to DESTRUCTION, and MANY there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and NARROW is the way, which leadeth unto LIFE, and FEW there be that find it" [Matthew 7:13,14].

As for my "totalitarian ideology"...you've seen NOTHING yet! When my Saviour Jesus Christ [i.e., "the LORD of LORDS and KING of KINGS"] RETURNS you will see a REAL "totalitarian ideology" in practice [a rule with a "mailed fist"]...for He will put down ALL rebellion [i.e., unrighteousness]...to wit: "The LORD said unto my Lord, 'Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool'" [Psalm 110:1]..."The Lord at my right hand shall strike through kings in the day of His WRATH. He shall judge among the heathen, He shall fill the places with DEAD bodies; He shall wound the heads over many countries." [Psalm 110:5,6].

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*["...You can call people abnormal and perverted, but there is no justification for your arbitrary assignment of these terms. In fact these actions aren't perverted and are very normal..."]

***Calling a homosexual a pervert is NOT an "arbitrary assignment" and there is, indeed, justification in assigning them that designation ...it is a FACT...their abominable actions ARE perverted and are NOT normal. A dog barks and does his "job" in my backyard because he's a "dawg"...rabbits [i.e., very good mathematicians] know how to MULTIPLY because they are rabbits...perverts do perverted acts because they are perverts. You say their actions aren't perverted and are "normal"...I say you are a homosexual as are they...OR you are the eptitome of "political correctness" [one who calls evil "good" and good "evil" because he does not wish to offend anyone and is "tolerant" of their "feelings"].

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*["...Not every believes what you do. In fact, most people don't so your a fool to think that you have a monopoly on "truth" when in fact all you have is an opinion that is in clear contradiction to logic, reason, and fact...."]

***The implication here is that I am a fool and don't have a monopoly on the "truth" because most don't believe as I do. In other words, the implication is that "truth" is determined by "majority vote."

However, truth is NOT determined by majority vote. If something is true, it is going to be true if everybody believes it or if NOBODY believes it. Even if EVERYBODY believes that the earth is flat and it is possible to fall off the edge of the earth, it will still NOT make it true. Truth CANNOT be determined that way...truth is something that is ABSOLUTE...it NEVER changes...and it is irrelevant how many people believe the truth...it is still true because of what it is in itself.

Marchello

*["...when in fact all you have is an opinion that is in clear contradiction to logic, reason, and fact. Blab all you want, but its meaningless..."]

***Your "opinion" is the opinion of a sniveling 20 year-old who has been turned into a secular-humanist by the public administered educational system...which has eliminated all references to God and His influence on the lives of mankind. Man, has replaced the God of the Bible...with himself as the "titular head" of this world system...and the tenets of his "religion" are logic, reason, and fact [not necessarily in that order].

You allege what I say is meaningless. What you really mean to say is... that what I say is "foolishness." Yet you have NEVER made an in-depth study of the Christian faith...as evidenced by your ignorance of it from your posts. Why would you make such a statement if you believe in the tenets of your secular-religion of logic, reason, and fact? Isn't it a tenet to VERIFY with sustaining evidence that something is a FACT after a thorough investigation of the data? I know, of a certainty, that you have NOT done this. So your allegations are specious at best.

Too, 'tis you who is the "fool"..."For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, 'He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.' And again, "The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.'" [1 Corinthians 3:19,20].

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
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***The implication here is that I am a fool and don't have a monopoly on the "truth" because most don't believe as I do. In other words, the implication is that "truth" is determined by "majority vote."

However, truth is NOT determined by majority vote. If something is true, it is going to be true if everybody believes it or if NOBODY believes it. Even if EVERYBODY believes that the earth is flat and it is possible to fall off the edge of the earth, it will still NOT make it true. Truth CANNOT be determined that way...truth is something that is ABSOLUTE...it NEVER changes...and it is irrelevant how many people believe the truth...it is still true because of what it is in itself.

Marchello

Proving the earth was round, was a testable hypothesis. God is not a absolute truth, it is not testable by the scientific method. A piece of literature does not make it fact.

Originally posted by Marchello
*["...rather than just shove your rhetoric down my throat?..."]

***Why should you be upset about me "shoving my rhetoric down your throat"...when you have "absolute FILTH" shoved down your throat on a regular basis?

Marchello

1) Sperm tastes much better than the Bible ✅

2) You have FAILED to give even a minimum answer to my personal morality description. I find that pathetic that you can't answer it.

And again, why are you making judgements on me when you know nothing about me ? You keep insulting my sexuality, for ALL YOU KNOW I could be a fkn Virgin !

I feel bad for you ❌ ...It's evident that the Bible is shoved so far up your a$$hole that your mental metabolism can't burn this zealotry out of your system. Pitiful....just pitiful .....

*["...God is not a absolute truth, it is not testable by the scientific method. A piece of literature does not make it fact."]

***If God is not absolute truth because the fact that He is...is not testable by the scientific method...how, then, can you say with "absolute certainty" that He is NOT...if you cannot test that He is NOT by the same scientific method? The ABSENCE of your untestable scientific method data does not make your contention a fact.

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
***If God is not absolute truth because the fact that He is...is not testable by the scientific method...how, then, can you say with "absolute certainty" that He is NOT...if you cannot test that He is NOT by the same scientific method? The ABSENCE of your untestable scientific method data does not make your contention a fact.

Marchello

While it is true that lack of scientific data does not make the claim "God does not exist" Fact, it is also true that Biblical rhetoric does not make the claim "God is absolute truth because he simply is" fact either ❌

Logically, XMarksthespot has a much more valid point than yourself, because atleast X can use credible data to support it's beleif that God does not exist, while all you can use is an outdated book and a barrage of insults.

*["1)Sperm tastes much better than the Bible:..."]

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*["2) You have FAILED to give even a minimum answer to my personal morality description. I find that pathetic that you can't answer it..."]

***You are NOT a "moral" person...and gave me NO "moral description" of any kind...so how can I respond.

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*["...And again, why are you making judgements on me when you know nothing about me?..."]

***Not so. I know all about you...for your WORDS betray you: "...how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the MOUTH speaketh. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give an account thereof in the day of judgment. For BY THY WORDS thou shalt be justified, and by thy WORDS thou shalt BE CONDEMNED." [Matthew 12:34-37].

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*["...You keep insulting my sexuality..."]

***I insult no one. How can what I say be insulting...when it is the TRUTH? You are a pervert...and that is the truth. Too, you brag about being a "***"...so your pretensions of being "insulted" are a sham!

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*["...for ALL YOU KNOW I could be a fkn Virgin!..."]

***You've got me on that one...I've NEVER heard of one of them!

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*["I feel bad for you...It's evident that the Bible is shoved so far up your a$$hole that your mental metabolism can't burn this zealotry out of your system. Pitiful....just pitiful....."]

***N/A

Marchello

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
While it is true that lack of scientific data does not make the claim "God does not exist" Fact, it is also true that Biblical rhetoric does not make the claim "God is absolute truth because he simply is" fact either ❌

Logically, XMarksthespot has a much more valid point than yourself, because atleast X can use credible data to support it's beleif that God does not exist, while all you can use is an outdated book and a barrage of insults.

***The only thing that "X" has done is make CLAIMS that science can support it's claims that God does not exist...but he has NOT presented ANY...ZERO...ZILCH...credible data to support those claims!!! There is NO scientific proof at all in the scientific community [of which I am a member] that such data exists or is VERIFIABLE in any way, shape, or form. However, there is an abundance of proof that there is a God that has manifested Himself in the past...and is doing so in these latter days...despite the denials, to the contrary, by the likes of you and atheists.

Marchello

Marchello, you will refrain from further insulting terms aimed at homosexuals, done only to flame. That is pure bashing and if you keep doing it, it will lead to a ban.

Originally posted by Marchello
Ranting IS imput...and is the sterotypical "strawman" used by those who are DISPLEASED by those whose "imput" is NOT appreciated. RANTING then IS imput...for a rose by any other name should smell as sweet.

No. Ranting is unproductive. I welcome all input, as that is the point of a forum. However, you are too apathetic to present yours in either a civilized or nicely ordered manner.

Originally posted by Marchello
Yes, it is. The REASON you say it it NOT is because YOU have NO moral compass...and because of that do not BELIEVE in "moral absolutes"

Originally posted by Marchello
right and wrong are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE

Originally posted by Marchello
"day and night are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE

Originally posted by Marchello
"black and white are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE

Originally posted by Marchello
"sin and righteousness are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE

Originally posted by Marchello
good and evil are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE

Originally posted by Marchello
light and darkness are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE

Originally posted by Marchello
normal and abnormal are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE

Originally posted by Marchello
There is only ONE "truth"...only ONE "way"...only ONE "life"...for Jesus says:"I am the "way"...the "truth"...and the "life"...NO ONE comes unto the Father but BY ME!" [John 14:6]..."...God is LIGHT, and in Him is NO DARKNESS at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him and walk in DARKNESS, we lie and do not the TRUTH" [1 John 1:5,6].

Originally posted by Marchello
Children are incapable of making those kind of judgments...and the judgments that they make are coloured by the perspectives of their parents. If their parents are capable of making sound judgments predicated on a sound "moral compass"...then the children will, most likely, inherit those sound judgments from their parents. If not...they will NOT be able to make sound judgments because their parents had no "moral compass" to pass down to them.

Originally posted by Marchello
My Christian faith dictates that we have this "narrow" way of thinking

Originally posted by Marchello
As for my "totalitarian ideology"...you've seen NOTHING yet!

Originally posted by Marchello
Calling a homosexual a pervert is NOT an "arbitrary assignment" and there is, indeed, justification in assigning them that designation ...it is a FACT...their abominable actions ARE perverted and are NOT normal. A dog barks and does his "job" in my backyard because he's a dawg...rabbits know how to MULTIPLY because they are rabbits

As far a homosexuals....see Ush's statement. Homosexuality has been observed throughout human history and across the animal kingdom. nothing about it is abnormal or unnatural. Of course, as usual you cant debate, you simply slip into one of your useless diatribes.

Originally posted by Marchello
The implication here is that I am a fool and don't have a monopoly on the "truth" because most don't believe as I do. In other words, the implication is that "truth" is determined by "majority vote."

Thats not true at all. The issue is here is that your arguments are crap and don't stand up to logic. There are thousands of good arguments and millions of bad ones. We live in a world of 6 billion people with 6 trillion points of view. Your opinion is not eliminated because of some sort of conspiracy, it is eliminated because its crap. Many credible opinions exist in the world, one no more right than the other.

Originally posted by Marchello
Even if EVERYBODY believes that the earth is flat and it is possible to fall off the edge of the earth, it will still NOT make it true. Truth CANNOT be determined that way...truth is something that is ABSOLUTE...it NEVER changes...and it is irrelevant how many people believe the truth...it is still true because of what it is in itself.

Originally posted by Marchello
Your "opinion" is the opinion of a sniveling 20 year-old who has been turned into a secular-humanist by the public administered educational system...which has eliminated all references to God and His influence on the lives of mankind. Man, has replaced the God of the Bible...with himself as the "titular head" of this world system...and the tenets of his "religion" are logic, reason, and fact [not necessarily in that order].

😆 This is priceless. How dare you insult either my age or my education when you are a coward who hides his? I'm expecting you to reply with your age, degrees, and institutions from which those degrees were obtained. You can respond to me by pm if you'd like to keep it private.

Public education is the great equalizer. Private education is indoctrination where people pay to be educated in a certain way. It based on totalitarian principles and does not promote knowledge or intellectualism, but forces someone to think in a certain way. Perhaps this explains your problems.

Public education has not eliminated all references to "god." People are free to worship as they choose without suffering the iron grip of another's religion. I discuss Christianity frequently in class, especially history class. Hell my friend majoring in religious studies talk about nothing but your myths and others.

People have been crying "man replacing god" since the Protestant Churches were founded. Its ironic that a protestant would accuse me of the same charge that the Catholics accused them of.

There is no religion to intellectualism, it is simply the best system ever developed, hence its widespread use.

"Crying wolf" does not make it so. Your claims again, do not have basis.

Originally posted by Marchello
You allege what I say is meaningless. What you really mean to say is... that what I say is "foolishness." Yet you have NEVER made an in-depth study of the Christian faith...as evidenced by your ignorance of it from your posts. Why would you make such a statement if you believe in the tenets of your secular-religion of logic, reason, and fact? Isn't it a tenet to VERIFY with sustaining evidence that something is a FACT after a thorough investigation of the data? I know, of a certainty, that you have NOT done this. So your allegations are specious at best.

I've attended more Christian religious services than services of any other religion. Most religious people I know are Christian and I have read the ENTIRE bible, parts of it repeatedly. I've studied the bible as literature and I've also studied Christian history, both formally and informally. I know a hell of a lot more about it than you do. Also, because of my actions and my life Jesus would consider me a better Christian than you from what I've gathered about you here. Once again, your allegations are not even specious, but simply false.

*["Marchello, you will refrain from further insulting terms aimed at homosexuals, done only to flame. That is pure bashing and if you keep doing it, it will lead to a ban."]

***So BAN me!

💃 Marchello

I will, I really will, and if you defy me to again, then that will be that.

*["...This is priceless. How dare you insult either my age or my education when you are a coward who hides his? I'm expecting you to reply with your age, degrees, and institutions from which those degrees were obtained. You can respond to me by pm if you'd like to keep it private..."]

***I am 37 years old...the father of two young daughters...and the husband of a beautiful lady. I have a Bachelors degree in Civil Engineering from Illinois Institute of Technology and a Masters degree from the University of Nevada at Reno in Environmental Science [with an option in Natural Resource Management]. My ultimate goal is a Doctorate in Environmental Health Technology...if I don't burn myself out by then.

Marchello

Marchello, you have kids and you definitely seem to act like one. I love the classic line "SO BAN ME"

*["I will, I really will, and if you defy me to again, then that will be that."]

***I'm DEFYING you right now! Do what you say you are going to do...then ask me if I care.

Marchello

Originally posted by crazy
Marchello, you have kids and you definitely seem to act like one. I love the classic line "SO BAN ME"

I agree. If you want to be an adult...act like one. "SO BAN ME" is most often used by 13 year-olds.

Originally posted by Marchello
*["...God is not a absolute truth, it is not testable by the scientific method. A piece of literature does not make it fact."]

***If God is not absolute truth because the fact that He is...is not testable by the scientific method...how, then, can you say with "absolute certainty" that He is NOT...if you cannot test that He is NOT by the same scientific method? The ABSENCE of your untestable scientific method data does not make your contention a fact.

Marchello

I have an invisible dragon that hovers over my head. Now, prove that I do not have an invisible dragon.

You can say anything, and if it cannot be proven, you are free to be delusional.

Marchello has a lot of work to do in this thread.

*["I agree. If you want to be an adult...act like one. 'SO BAN ME' is most often used by 13 year-olds."]

***Really? That's very interesting. Do you have any statistics to support your contention? Would you please cite them for our internet audience? Your cooperation on this request would be greatly appreciated.

Your friend,

Marchello

Oh Dear. This wont end pretty. ❌