Many religons before Christianity depicted a dying God Man who died for the sins of world.Not to mention,the cross is translated as stake,that's why some people belive Jesus was hung, rather than actualy Crucified.
This also would answer scholars questions to why the crucifixtion of Christ was relativley short compared to other crucifixtions.
I could also name the rich histories of other religons,does that mean you will now except them?
Originally posted by gp christ loves
think aout this if christianity where truly just made up do you think it would have the history that it has
no it wouldn't i know thaty if i where to make up a religion it sertanly would have its main leader being killed on a cross
just shut up....you are very unknowledgable of the real world! Grow up and see what the world is really like...and then you'll question wheather or not there really is a God in this world....
Originally posted by AdventChild
just shut up....you are very unknowledgable of the real world! Grow up and see what the world is really like...and then you'll question wheather or not there really is a God in this world....
Calm down. There are thoughs who haven't seen the world like we have. But oddly you fell from you beliefs while I still cling to mine...
think aout this if christianity where truly just made up do you think it would have the history that it hasHitler had a vision too and he died for it as well so whats your point?
no it wouldn't i know thaty if i where to make up a religion it sertanly would have its main leader being killed on a cross
The way the followers of Jesus live demonstrate that the life of the risen Christ is NOT an abstraction or mere symbol but a reality. The same is true for the way Christ's followers die.
According to Jesus, His followers would all too often be hated, mistreated, and even killed as a result; directly or indirectly of their stand for Christ. Yet even in this suffering, they would find God's blessing: "Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me" (Matthew 5:11 NASB). In response, Christ urged His followers to love those who treat them so: "But I say, love you enemies and pray for those who persecute you" (Matthew 5:44 NASB).
Many religions have inspired people to die and kill in battle. Lately, a few cults have inspired their members to commit suicide. Mere zeal is no proof of truth.
Throughout church history, many believers in Jesus Christ have had to choose either to renounce their faith or face suffering and even death. Many believers, like the five missionaries in Ecuador, have willingly put their lives at risk to take the message of Christ to those who have never heard it. That some people choose to accept death rather than deny their faith is not by itself strong evidence for the truth of their faith. But the sheer number of believers in Christ who have accepted martyrdom, the long period of time over which Christians have become martyrs, and the THE WAY they have faced death, all considered together is very impressive evidence. It can only be explained by the unshakable confidence that they, like Jesus, will be raised from the dead.
The Church has experienced three main periods of intense persecution of its believers. The first period ran from the beginning of the Church's history until the time of Constantine, or roughly the first three centuries. All of the Church's founding apostles except John were martyred. Their willingness to die for the faith is difficult to explain unless they were very sure that Jesus had risen from the dead. As N. T. Wright observes, "If you follow a messiah and he gets killed, you obviously backed the wrong horse." Yet, Jesus' disciples continued to back Jesus even though He had been publicly executed and even thought they were next!
As Christianity became predominantly Gentile in composition, Christian's were viewed as superstitious, because of their faith in a crucified God, and disloyal to Rome, because of their refusal to offer sacrifices to Caser or to acknowledge him as a god. Several emperors sponsored the persecution of Christians. Efforts were made to destroy copies of the Bible. Christians were tortured and killed if they refused to do homage to Caeser. The more Christians were executed, the faster Christianity grew. Because the believers loved Christ to the point of death.
The second period of intense persecution was the late medieval era leading up to the Reformation, when the Inquisition put many Christians to death for expressing their faith in ways that challenged the exclusive authority of the Roman hierarchy. Sadly, when Christians institutions have become powerful, those in charge have often given in to the temptation to abuse that power. The history of such abuses is a sobering reminder that it is useless to put our faith in a religious institution (even a Christian one). OUR FAITH SHOULD BE IN CHRIST ALONE.
The third period of intense persecution has been the last century or so, and it continues to this day. Various estimates suggest the some one hundred million Christians were martyred during the twentieth century, mostly in Communist and Islamic nations. Communism is still a serious threat to Christians' physical well-being today in China; on the other hand, the Church in China has thrived under persecution, growing to the tens of millions.
By far the most widespread source of persecution against Christians today is Islam. Hundreds of thousands (at least) of Christians have been killed in the south of Sudan, where government-sponsored terror from the north seeks to impose Islam on the entire nation. Some five hundred churches in Indonesia were destroyed by Muslim extremists in the last decade of the twentieth century. In Pakistan, Islamic blasphemy laws make it illegal to voice criticism of Islam in the course of evangelism. In many Islamic nations, Christian evangelism is simply illegal, as is the distribution or public possession of Bibles or Christian symbols.
In those nations where the Christian population is less than 1 percent, such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Yemen, Turkey, Somalia, and Morocco, the reason invariably is government intimidation and deception.
Originally posted by gp christ loves
the only stories written before christ lived are those in the old testament
Originally posted by finti
it has everything to do with it, Joseph and Jesus didnt genealogically share the same bloodline, meaning the fullfilment has great flaws in it. Biggest flaw it aint correct, so the so called self proclaimed son of god was not a true genealogically descendant of David
Actually Jesus came through the bloodline of David because that is the bloodline of Mary his Mother. That is why Jesus is sometimes referred to as the son of David, symbolically of course!
Originally posted by finti
to all the christians if you dont suffer the just like way your so called saviour did on the cross you aint much of a believer, the only true believers are the ones who copies the pain of crucifixion
Actually Jesus said that He died and took the pain and shame of the cross so that we who believe will not have to.
Originally posted by Zilem
Danny your talking about somthing you know nothing about, i suggest you stay out of this one and get YOUR ass out of your head for saying such an ignorent thing, its as if your stateing you dont beilive in god....You belive in demons?
This is ann, and i do believe in a superior being..Not nesscarily a God....and i'm not going to stay out of this one because what i'm stating is fact! The chinese have been keeping records and storie! So know your facts before you start calling people ignorant..and so i recommend you get your head out of your ass and do your research before you start saying things that you have no proof or evidence...