Jesus Christ

Originally posted by finti
well it sure wasn't meant to be intepretered so many different ways

if that was so it is more like this god of yours takes pleasure in the suffering of people on this planet

no, it probably wasn't.

God, doesn't take pleasure in our pain. He has reasons for these things. Like Job, he let the devil do what ever he wanted to Job except kill him. For many years Job suffered, but he never turned from God he kept his faith.God tests people to see if they will keep there faith in him.

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
Why do you loathe me? because I am forceful in my beliefs?. It will only hurt you, Anyone who is prosecuted in the name of God gets a double blessing. I know I am not God like, I am no where near meeting the grace of God.

First off, I never entered this forum because of my Religion and arguing a point. I saw this forum when looking down the index and thought I enter and look around. I saw some people being nasty to Jedi Exile, I decided to back him up and every since people have been arguing with me. I have no worries about my soul. I am a child of God like all of us. I know I am not a perfect Christan, but I try my best and I accept Jeus and my savior. You have no room to point fingers either.

Anyone who gets persecuted in the name of god gets a double blessing....hummm?...who told you that? Was it god? Did god come to you one night and explain this to you? If he did, then I will happily retract my statement. Or, did you get this notion from the men who run your religion? Or, as I like to call them, the "propaganda ministry".

You may have stumbled upon this forum while looking over the list of forums...but you entered it and decided to engage others in a religious debate. If your sole purpose was to back up Jedi Exile, then you don't subscribe very highly to the belief that someone who is presecuted gets a double helping of gods love, do you? In fact, as a matter fo your own beliefs, you should be happy for him. Because he's gonna get a double dose of gods love.

As I have said many times before, I do not totally disbelieve in god...only in his followers. God is beyond the small minded concepts that religion imposes on him. Even my own use of the term 'him' goes against my concept of who he/she/it really is.

Originally posted by debbiejo
You were defending Jedi Exile...who posted in the wrong forum to try to convert others.....

at first, but when finti recently qouted me saying I was speaking on others behalfs. I was only speaking from my point of view.

I was only speaking from my point of view.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Anyone who gets persecuted in the name of god gets a double blessing....hummm?...who told you that? Was it god? Did god come to you one night and explain this to you? If he did, then I will happily retract my statement. Or, did you get this notion from the men who run your religion? Or, as I like to call them, the "propaganda ministry".

You may have stumbled upon this forum while looking over the list of forums...but you entered it and decided to engage others in a religious debate. If your sole purpose was to back up Jedi Exile, then you don't subscribe very highly to the belief that someone who is presecuted gets a double helping of gods love, do you? In fact, as a matter fo your own beliefs, you should be happy for him. Because he's gonna get a double dose of gods love.

As I have said many times before, I do not totally disbelieve in god...only in his followers. God is beyond the small minded concepts that religion imposes on him. Even my own use of the term 'him' goes against my concept of who he/she/it really is.

Your liking a Jerk. God didn't come straight to me and tell me this, its in the bible. But since you like trying to make an ass out of people try all you want, your only making yourself look bad.

Okay first off I was helping Jedi because everyone was being nasty. I was backing him up and his religion. God is not selfish and will not only give some extra blessings. I didn't come in here to receive blessings I came and posted because someone needed help.

If you disbelieve in his followers, you disbelieve in God and in yourself.

Originally posted by finti
that view include others though

yes, in my belief...just like your belief includes others. All beliefs include others. This is not a one man world.

yes, in my belief...just like your belief includes others

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
Your liking a Jerk. God didn't come straight to me and tell me this, its in the bible. But since you like trying to make an ass out of people try all you want, your only making yourself look bad.

Okay first off I was helping Jedi because everyone was being nasty. I was backing him up and his religion. God is not selfish and will not only give some extra blessings. I didn't come in here to receive blessings I came and posted because someone needed help.

If you disbelieve in his followers, you disbelieve in God and in yourself.

I'm liking a jerk? I don't follow you on that one. I AM a jerk? Okay. I've got no problems with people like yourself thinking so. I'm not making myself look bad, I pointing out your errors, and irritating you...but how I look to others means little to me.

As for your second paragraph, you conceed that I am right. Thanks.

I do disbelieve in his followers. But, according to your own religion, god has no problem with not believeing in man...only in himself. So...again, you're wrong. As for believing in myself...I would go so far as to say that I believe in myself so much that I'm not willing to simply accept the false witness that flawed, feeling, selfish men have attempted to force down my throat all my life.

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
This is not a one man world.

No, this is not a "one man world". It is a world full of individuals, however. That statment alone is suffecient evidence that your version of christianity has more in common with communism, than it does with a truely righteous religion.

Originally posted by finti
since you dont know my beliefs thats a bold statement

no matter how you look at it, there is not one belief system that doesn't somehow focus on others. Unless its a self made religion that only deals with yourself and no one else matters

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I'm liking a jerk? I don't follow you on that one. I AM a jerk? Okay. I've got no problems with people like yourself thinking so. I'm not making myself look bad, I pointing out your errors, and irritating you...but how I look to others means little to me.

As for your second paragraph, you conceed that I am right. Thanks.

I do disbelieve in his followers. But, according to your own religion, god has no problem with not believeing in man...only in himself. So...again, you're wrong. As for believing in myself...I would go so far as to say that I believe in myself so much that I'm not willing to simply accept the false witness that flawed, feeling, selfish men have attempted to force down my throat all my life.

and I don't care what others think of me either

your last paragraph who are you to say I am wrong?.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
No, this is not a "one man world". It is a world full of individuals, however. That statment alone is suffecient evidence that your version of christianity has more in common with communism, than it does with a truely righteous religion.

how is that, I was only speaking from my point, as all of you are speaking from yours.

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
no matter how you look at it, there is not one belief system that doesn't somehow focus on others.

Wrong...sorry...Where did you read that?

no matter how you look at it, there is not one belief system that doesn't somehow focus on others. Unless its a self made religion that only deals with yourself and no one else matters

Originally posted by debbiejo
Wrong...sorry...Where did you read that?

Not everything can be read in a book. Somehow or someway, people are inloved with each other. no matter how you look at it. Take what finti said
"not all cling to a religion, and my "belief" is how i personally view things and that doesnt include others than me. Others do matter but they need to do it their way" okay Finti believes on how he personally views things. He views that I am aroggant, I am obviously another human. therefore not making it only a one person religion. Just because he views everything from his point, he still needs interaction with others to a have an opinion on them.

Finti believes on how he personally views things

Just because he views everything from his point, he still needs interaction with others to a have an opinion on them.

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
no matter how you look at it, there is not one belief system that doesn't somehow focus on others. Unless its a self made religion that only deals with yourself and no one else matters

Bullshit! Having a personal relationship with ones own idea of god isn't selfish. In fact, I would go so far as to say that my ideas of a inter-personal relationship with god is the very definition of selflessness. My "self made" religion, as you call it, considers EVERONE else, which exists in direct opposition to christianity.

Originally posted by finti
no I dont believe that, thats the facts of it

having an opinion on people and including them in their beliefs are two tottaly different matters

Okay, I am sorry I misunderstood what you ment at first.

but, you say thats the facts. Okay thats the facts for you, you know that to be true. For me I know what I feel and think to be true.

Okay thats the facts for you, you know that to be true. For me I know what I feel and think to be true.

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
Not everything can be read in a book. Somehow or someway, people are inloved with each other. no matter how you look at it. Take what finti said
"not all cling to a religion, and my "belief" is how i personally view things and that doesnt include others than me. Others do matter but they need to do it their way" okay Finti believes on how he personally views things. He views that I am aroggant, I am obviously another human. therefore not making it only a one person religion. Just because he views everything from his point, he still needs interaction with others to a have an opinion on them.

You don't need to follow the Bible to know how to relate with other people...It's something we all have inside of us.....You seen to feel that if you don't follow exactly the words in the Bible, then you cannot do any good in this world or with other people....Weren't you stating that only by believing that Jesus will save you that you will be excepted in to a blessed afterlife....Where does that leave everyone else?....And how sure are you that the Bible is true?..How do you know it hasn't been altered?...Have you checked that part of history out yourself personally?

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
For me I know what I feel and think to be true.

But, you have to understand that, that places you in direct opposition to 3/4ths of the worlds population. We can't all be right. But, we could certainly all be wrong.