Originally posted by finti
examples of these cities and areas
Well the best example I can think of from the top of my head is the city of Soddom and Gommorah. Its mentioned in the Bible but not anywhere else I think. Historians tried to find the place but they couldn't find it anywhere. According to the Bible Soddom and Gommarrah was destroyed. The historians looked at the dead sea and now they believe it is under there.
Also there is no record apart from the Bible of the Exodus of the hebrew slaves from Egypt. When the historians looked closer at the egyptian documents, they discovered that just like Roman documents, the Egyptians never recorded their defeats or embarassing moments shall we say.
Im pretty sure there has also been specific battles mentioned in the Bible, Historians have excavated where they believe the battle occured and fond bodies and spears and other weapons there from around the expected time.......
Well the best example I can think of from the top of my head is the city of Soddom and Gommorah. Its mentioned in the Bible but not anywhere else I think. Historians tried to find the place but they couldn't find it anywhere. According to the Bible Soddom and Gommarrah was destroyed. The historians looked at the dead sea and now they believe it is under thereno proof of those city ever existed as of yet so those who are sceptic and negative to them hold the upper hand
the Egyptians never recorded their defeats or embarassing moments shall we say.still a devestating loss of "soldiers" like the one described in the exodus would made Egypt defensless and they would have been invaded by enemy states
Originally posted by finti
still a devestating loss of "soldiers" like the one described in the exodus would made Egypt defensless and they would have been invaded by enemy states
Thats not necessarily true. The Egyptians never recorded that it happened remember? 😛
Plus it was the biggest and most powerful empire on earth at the time.
Originally posted by finti
no proof of those city ever existed as of yet so those who are sceptic and negative to them hold the upper hand
I agree. like most things in the world this comes down to faith. it is unlikely anyone will be looking at the dead sea any time in the near future..........
Originally posted by finti
in order to be so they need a large army , loosing most of it would make it impossible to maintain that status
In the book of Exodus it states all of the Egyptian army was defeated. However because the Pharoah literally went out of his way to make sure this wasn't mentioned in Egyptian records it is uncertain when the event occured because it is uncertain when the event occured it is uncertain if the opposition to the Egyptian empire were a threat at that time, or if they even existed at that time..............
But because we do not know the date at which the egyptian army went. Whats to say the surrounding countries did? even if they existed at that time? or if they were even a threat? for all we know they may have had problems controlling their own country much like Egypt did.
The uncertainty of the time it happens means we cannot be ceratain of the condition or existence of any opposing force.............
In fact we know because the Egyptian empire existed after this time. Assuming the Bible is true then one of the scenarios above could be responsible..........
Actually we know it was one of the Ramsies but we don't know which one. The Bible only mentions Ramsies, not his full title. And because We know the Pharoah was very accurate in making sure no defeats were recorded in the Egyptian documents, it is left for historians to best work out which Ramsies they think it is. Which Ramsies could determine who Egypts threats were at the time, if there were any huge threats around the time of the Ramsies we are referring to.
Apparently the Pharoah was so thorough in his attempt at making himself look good in the documents, he took previous battles and deleted the names of political traitors and advesaries. They of course mentioned the enemies they defeated, but not the ones who defeated them. Therefore the Hebrew slaves exodus would have been an embarassement certainly not mentioned.
Also there very well could have been an army which could have attacked Egypt and defeated some of them in battle because there army was wiped out from the Exodus. But it also certainly wouldn't have been mentioned in their documents like the other defeats.........
And because We know the Pharoah was very accurate in making sure no defeats were recorded in the Egyptian documents,well Ramessess II (The Great) most documented campaign was the Battle of Kadesh, a battle he didnt win
Also there very well could have been an army which could have attacked Egypt and defeated some of them in battle because there army was wiped out from the Exodus. But it also certainly wouldn't have been mentioned in their documents like the other defeatsthe ones who would have gone on an offensive against Egypt if what the bible says is right, would have occupied and conquered Egypt.....and there are no such records of Egypt being conquered.Egypt wasnt the only one recording events so if you dont find such things in Egyptian records,you would sure as hell found it in the occupying forces ones
Originally posted by finti
the ones who would have gone on an offensive against Egypt if what the bible says is right, would have occupied and conquered Egypt.....and there are no such records of Egypt being conquered.Egypt wasnt the only one recording events so if you dont find such things in Egyptian records,you would sure as hell found it in the occupying forces ones
Well like I said it depends on which Ramses was around at the time. Due to the fact Egyptians USUALLY don't record their defeats as it is an embarrassment we don't know which Ramses it was. he certainly wouldn't have recorded the fact that his army lost to an entire bunch of runaway slaves!!
As a result of not knowing which Ramses was in control of Egypt at the time, we don't know the date at which the Exodus occurred. So therefore we don't know the condition of any threats to this Ramses country. Therefore the opposition may have not even existed at this time.