Originally posted by Captain Falcon
plane or missle?
Originally posted by Deano
"When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic." -- Dresden James
Deano give it up explain conspricay theories to people is a waste of time best they find out by themselves.
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/
http://www.illuminati-news.com/
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/
This is where I normally read.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Deano give it up explain conspricay theories to people is a waste of time best they find out by themselves.http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/
http://www.illuminati-news.com/
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/This is where I normally read.
Oh man! No WONDER!
This explains alot about you.
And everything you say against evolution is void to me as of now, you're pre-disposed to ignoring mainstream facts and questioning everything.
Unless I create a website called 'The conspiracy against Evolution!', then you might believe it.
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There is a whole lot to be said of the idea of a conspiracy. However, those who subscribe to the idea limit themselves by their own understanding. Logic, often, is tossed out the window. If a conspirator is driving down teh street, they don't put a conspiracy insignia on their window, or tell others they are a part of the conspiracy.
However, the people are being screwed over. And that sad fact can not be ignored.
i will never for one minute believe that those in power don't have an inroad or stake at claim. But, it doesn't go as far as some people would assume, due to an innability to restrain themselves.
Originally posted by Captain Falcon
why though? Is it Dick Cheney?
dick cheney is just as much a puppet as george bush.
PROBLEM REACTION SOLUTION
There are techniques of mass manipulation that people need to understand if they are to begin to see through the game. The main one I have dubbed 'problem-reaction-solution'. This has been used for thousands of years to advance the agenda and is one the most effective weapons of the Illuminati. Problem reaction- solution is the key to understanding what really happened on September 11th 2001 and why. It works like this: you know that if you openly propose to basic freedoms, start a war or centralise power, there will be a public reaction against it. So you don't openly and honestly propose such plans, you play the P-R-S scam. At stage one you create a problem. It could be a coup attacking another, a government or economic collapse, or a 'terrorist attack. Anything in fact that the public will think requires a 'solution'. At stage two, you report the 'problems' you have covertly created in the way you wish the people to perceive them. Crucially you find someone to blame for the problem, a 'patsy' like Lee Harvey Oswald when President Kennedy was assassinated, or Osama bin Laden. You spin the background to these events in a way that encouri1ges the people to demand that "something must be done". These are the words you want to hear because they allow you to move on to stage three, the sting. At this point you openly offer the solutions to the problems you have yourself created. These solutions, of course, involve the centralisation of power, the sacking of officials or politicians that are getting in your way, and the removal of more basic freedoms as you advance further to your global fascist state. Just think of the freedoms that have been removed because of 9/11. A more subtle part of the technique is to propose far more extreme changes than you expect to get away with because this allows any opposition to think you have compromised and met them halfway. But you know that you have other 'problems' in the pipeline to push the agenda on ..
With this technique you can so manipulate the public mind that people will demand or at least allow you to introduce what, in normal circumstances, they would vehemently oppose. The Oklahoma bomb at the Alfred P. Murrah Building on April 19th 1995 was a problem-reaction-solution classic, as I explained in And the Truth Shall Set You Free . What followed the death and destruction in Oklahoma were 'anti-terrorism' laws that sailed through Congress without challenge ~ removed fundamental freedoms from American people. Since September 11th, this agenda has been advanced in gigantic leaps. I don't share the attitudes of people like Timothy McVeigh, nor do I defend disturbed people like Osama bin Laden, but that's not the point. Establishing the truth of what happened is the point, no matter what the views and attitudes of those involved. It is called justice. The two most effective problem-reaction-solutions in the twentieth century were the two global wars. They changed the face of the world, as wars always do, and led to a massive centralisation of power. The United Nations, like its predecessor the League of Nations, was an Illuminati creation to act as a Trojan horse, or stalking horse, for world government.
[qoute]"Journalistic" junk
The media play their part to perfection in these 'problem-reaction-solution' scenarios. At ownership level, people like Conrad Black at the Hollinger Group and Rupert Murdoch of the News Corporation know what is going on. The editors they appoint might know something about it, as may certain columnists, but most of the journalists will have no idea. The editor is always there to block anything they write that is against the interests of the Illuminati - as directed by the owner-and if they insist on pursuing an unwelcome story they find themselves looking for another job. Most of the 'information' that journalists present comes from official (Illuminati) sources anyway. In the immediate aftermath of a major event such as September 11 th, where are the reporters getting their information from? Official sources! Name me a single piece of relevant information broadcast by the mainstream media about what happened on 9/11, how it was done, who did it and what the retaliation should be, that did not come from official sources. Not one! We are told that White House sources say this, FBI sources say that, and OA or Pentagon sources say the other. This is how the Illuminati transmit through the media the version of events they wish the public to believe. These reports are blazed across the front pages of newspapers and the top of radio and television news bulletins throughout the world, and what they say becomes the 'norm', the official 'history'. In the weeks and months that followed, researchers who are interested in the real truth begin to dig away. Over and Over the establish
and document the proof of how the official version was a lie from start to finish. But where are their reports published? In small-circulation newsletters, self-published books, on the Internet and radio stations that operate with a fraction of the money and potential audience of the Illuminati empires. Therefore, years after the official version has been demolished it still prevails in the public mind. Almost every time people will give you the official story because that is the only one they have heard. If we had real mainstream journalism the problem-reaction-solution technique could not work. The official version of events would be investigated and shown to have no foundation. This fact would be communicated to the people and the public reaction, desired by the authorities, would not be forthcoming. But instead, we have media that is little more than a public relations office for the official version of life and that makes problem-reaction-solution a breeze for the manipulators. [/quote]
" Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. Our minds are molded, our tastes are formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. " - Walter Bernays, Propaganda - 1928
Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."
Woodrow Wilson
The real menace of our republic is this invisible government, which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self-created screen.... At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties."
New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922
From the days of Sparticus Weishaupt, Karl Marx, Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
Winston Churchill, stated to the London Press, in l922
The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes."
Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952
a full-blown global dictatorship is within its sight and within its grasp. Or at least it would be if the awakening of the human heart and mind were not about to blow the house down. Unless people know the real background to what is happening they can easily be deceived by the official versions of 9/11 and other atrocities, wars, famine and strife that are daily ‘reported’ by the media. The official story of September 11th is a monumental lie, but most people have believed it, and the wars of conquest that have followed have been 'justified' by the official version being true. This has included the deaths of at least five thousand Afghan civilians. These were men, women and children, like those who live in your street, who were slaughtered by US and British bombing to "get Bin Laden" - the man who was supposed to have organised 9/11 from a cave in Afghanistan. It's a lie, but the lie was believed and, therefore, led to the reaction that killed and maimed still more people in the name of 'peace' and 'justice'. Some idiot interviewers in the mainstream media have asked me what was the point of people knowing what is going on. Well, if the public realised who the true perpetrators of 9/11 really were we would not have had our freedoms destroyed by the day since those planes hit, and thousands of civilians in Afghanistan would still be with us. Nor would we have had the invasion of Iraq with more than seven thousand civilians killed and tens of thousands maimed, if the people had known the true background to why that happened.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Oh man! No WONDER!This explains alot about you.
And everything you say against evolution is void to me as of now, you're pre-disposed to ignoring mainstream facts and questioning everything.
Unless I create a website called 'The conspiracy against Evolution!', then you might believe it.
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You don't even know me that's the funny part I've debated you guy's on evolution and you have'nt proved jack, you believe in a theory with hardly any evidence, so what I read conspiracy's I also read rebuttals against them also to be fair I look for theories with facts not BS. I'm not predisposed to anything.
I'm gonna share with you a vision that I had, cause I love you. And you feel it. You know all that money we spend on nuclear weapons and defense each year, trillions of dollars, correct? Instead -- just play with this -- if we spent that money feeding and clothing the poor of the world -- and it would pay for it many times over, not one human being excluded -- we can explore space together, both inner and outer, forever in peace. Thank you very much. You've been great, I hope you enjoyed it. - bill hicks
Originally posted by Deano
I'm gonna share with you a vision that I had, cause I love you. And you feel it. You know all that money we spend on nuclear weapons and defense each year, trillions of dollars, correct? Instead -- just play with this -- if we spent that money feeding and clothing the poor of the world -- and it would pay for it many times over, not one human being excluded -- we can explore space together, both inner and outer, forever in peace. Thank you very much. You've been great, I hope you enjoyed it. - bill hicks
Absolutely I agree 100% lets pool our resources in the world and then distribute votes based on total contribution . So that the largest contributors have the most power as well.
Originally posted by Deano
"When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic." -- Dresden James
Yes, but nonsense and lies will also seem utterly preposterous, and the fruits of lunacy.
Simply saying it is possible for what seems absurd to be true is valueless. Like, duh, everyone KNOWS that, it is hardly wise to say so.
But in any rational or logical sense, what you say must be backed by evidence that meets good standards. If you talk nonsense and someone calls you on it, saying back that it is theoretically possible for nonsense to be true does not help you one tiny bit at all.
The implication of your quote is that just because the masses think something is wrong, that does not make it wrong. But we aren't saying what you are saying is wrong because everyone else thinks so, Deano; we are saying it is wrong because it is such clear and utter bollocks. After all, I can say that the sky is purple, the Human race is an advanced form of beetroot and the real name of Earth is Splurthadeyfast as much as I like, but if I cannot back it, what good is it? And I could equally use your comment there- that it only sounds nonsensical because you have been conditioned to think so. But really, that is of no value, is it? I must be able to back it or it is pointless. Reasonable people will only believe or act on things that have a proper, rational framework behind them, not on any old rubbish which is defended on the maxim "Ah, it might be true but you don't realise it."
Prove up or shut up. Quotes like that avail you nothing.