The Official KMC "Conspiracy" Thread

Started by The Omega115 pages
Originally posted by Deano
i suggest you read the book mr parker has reccomended

Why? It’ll probably not contain what you guys claim anyways…
Where on the page you posted a link to, does it say that ALL media is controlled by the CIA?
How should the CIA control the media in Britain, in Denmark, in Bahrain, in China??

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Oh please,your beginning to sound as bad as this one ex corker of mine I used to know.He was the most ignorant being to ever walk this planet.He actually believes that there is no different law for politicians than there are for ordinay citizens even though he is the only person on the planet I have ever encountered who believes that.dont know wo to break the news to you but politicians get away with crimes everyday we could never get away with. Of course not ALL media is controlled,just the major media in the united states.In other countrys around the world,they knew there was a conspiracy to kill kennedy back then.In other countrys they dont suppress the news about kennedy ect. In those other countrys they will print what goes on around here in this country.Only here in the states was everybody believeing that kennedy was killed by oswald because thats what the us news reported.other countrys around the world,they knew that it was a governmnet plot because its not suppressed in other countrys like it is here.this is for you as well as kharma dog,read Mark Lanes book Plausible Denial.He is a lawyer who wrote a book back in the mid 60's called RUSH TO JUDGEMENT.he was one of the first people to criticise the warren commission.matter of fact he put his life on the line to get that book published.In that book PLAUSIBLE DENIAL,he talks about how he discovered in his search of through documents through the national archives in washington that george bush was involved in the kennedy assassination.I HAVE offered you the evidence,as Deano keeps saying READ THE BOOK,dont come back and tell me I dont have evidence till you read that book.its your buddy Kharma dog that doesnt have any evidence.I do,I keep telling you to read that book,you dont want to though because you dont want to hear the truth.

Is that the best evidence you have to offer in support of your conspiracy ideas? Petty insults? Yes, I know that leaders get away with crime on daily basis, Parker. What does that prove?
Okay… so now we’ve reduced it from ALL media, to SOME media in the US being controlled by the CIA? Right. Prove it.
Who in other countries knew there was a conspiracy to kill JFK? As far as I know the discussions on who was behind the murder of JFK is being debated in the US and Europe alike to this day. I don’t know anyone who thinks Lee Harvey Oswald was the shooter. Do you? What OTHER countries KNEW it was a government plot?? How did they know the US government killed its own president? The Warren Commission did a terrible job; no one denies that as far as I know.
What evidence do you want Kharma Dog to present you??

Parker, Deano> Okay, my two favourite conspiracy-nuts. What is your take on this whole “home-grown terrorist planned to bomb Sears-tower”??

Originally posted by The Omega
[B]Parker, Deano> Okay, my two favourite conspiracy-nuts. What is your take on this whole “home-grown terrorist planned to bomb Sears-tower”?? [/B]

just another ploy again to scare the US public into submission. thats how it normally goes

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/june2006/230606searstower.htm

Originally posted by The Omega
Why? It’ll probably not contain what you guys claim anyways…

Why don't you read the book and then make an argument.

Originally posted by The Omega

Is that the best evidence you have to offer in support of your conspiracy ideas? Petty insults? Yes, I know that leaders get away with crime on daily basis, Parker. What does that prove?

It proves that they are corrupt.

Originally posted by The Omega

Okay… so now we’ve reduced it from ALL media, to SOME media in the US being controlled by the CIA? Right. Prove it.

all the major media is privatized look it up yourself.

The U.S. Telecommunications Act of 1996
With the digital revolution, the technical and legal boundaries between broadcasting and telephony in the 1934 Communications Act have broken down. Indeed, the barriers between all forms of communication are breaking down, and communication laws everywhere are becoming outdated. Congress passed, and President Clinton signed into law, the Telecommunications Act of 1996 to replace the 1934 law. The overarching purpose of the 1996 Telecommunications Act is to deregulate all communication industries and to permit the market, not public policy, to determine the course of the information highway and the communications system. It is widely considered to be one of the three or four most important federal laws of this generation.
Even by the minimal standards of the 1934 Act, the debate surrounding the 1996 Telecommunications Act was a farce. Some of the law was actually written by the lobbyists for the communication firms it affects. The only "debate" was whether broadcasters, long-distance companies, local telephone providers, or cable companies would get the inside track in the deregulatory race. Consistent with the pattern set in the middle 1930s, the primacy of corporate control and the profit motive was a given. The range of legitimate debate extended from that of Newt Gingrich, who argued profits are synonymous with public service, to that of Vice-President Al Gore, who argued that there are public interest concerns the marketplace cannot resolve, but that can only be addressed once the profitability of the dominant corporate sector has been assured. The historical record with communication regulation indicates that although the Gore position can be gussied up, once the needs of corporations are given primacy, the public interest will invariably be pushed to the margins.

welldone

the power lies not with politicians, but with the shadowy figures who 'advise' and control them, and those who manipulate the flow of information into the public arena.
The media report the world as if politicians are at the top of the pyramid, when they are only the puppets, trigger-pullers, and mouthpieces for those who are really at the top. As a result, those who control our lives can stay in the shadows while those who only appear to be in power are constantly in the spotlight. The diversion is brilliantly orchestrated.

Media: Keep the adult public attention diverted away from the real
social issues, and captivated by matters of no real importance.

Schools: Keep the young public ignorant of real mathematics, real
economics, real law, and REAL HISTORY [WC emphasis].

Entertainment: Keep the public entertainment below a sixth-grade
level.

Work: Keep the public busy, busy, busy, with no time to think; back on
the farm with the other animals.

We are having a version of events projected at us through the schools,
universities, and the media, all the time. That version of events has almost nothing to do with truth. It has been created to mislead us and to persuade us to think and act in a particular way, which suits the aims of the human manipulators and their controllers, the Prison Warders. So if you want to go to war and you need the people to support you, just set up an attack on one of your own ships or have one of your top people assassinated, and whip up the public's indignation with propaganda against the alleged culprit.

As long as people take everything at face value, without question, and they don't survey the world with open eyes and an open mind, we will go on being a bewildered herd, blindly following the sheep at the front. But is it a sheep - or a monster? And what is its agenda? If we stop being
human blotting paper, soaking up this tidal wave of biased information, and begin united fronts to filter what we are told, we become so much more difficult to mislead. These terrible events which have plagued the world in this century can only happen if we see life in terms of the leaders and the led. If we do that, a tiny few can control the world. And they have. Until now.

None of this mind manipulation could happen without the media. Again, only a few people in the media know they are playing a key role in programming the human mind to walk the road to a global tyranny. The overwhelming majority of journalists have no idea how they are being used. I would go further. From my experience inside the media for many years and more recently on the other side of the microphone and notebook, I believe the two least knowledgeable and streetwise
professions - in general - are journalism and politics. As I suggested earlier, they are two aspects of the same illusion. The politicians act as if they rule the world and the media report events as if politicians are the global decision makers. Thus, the real controllers can stay in the shadows, unreported and unidentified. There are exceptions when you meet a very bright journalist who can see behind the facades.
They know they are imprisoned within a media structure which severely limits what they can say and do. But they take every opportunity to get across as much information as they can. I have met a few of those people and they are a joy to talk to. If only that were true of the rest. Most journalists on local and regional papers and local radio are either time-servers, who are programmed to turn out the same
old establishment line without question while thinking their years in the profession make them streetwise, or they are youngsters fresh out of university who have no experience of the world and the manipulation that goes on. There are, I stress, exceptions, but I am speaking generally here. I don't say this out of condemnation, but as this mindset stands between the events in the world and the way the information about them is communicated to the public, it is important that we know the nature of the filters and the filtering that goes on.

To manipulate the world, you don't need to have people running around all the time, like one of those stage performers trying to keep a dozen plates spinning on the end of a stick. Once you have created the structure, anyone coming into that organisation, say a newspaper or television newsroom, has to conform to what is already there. If you can get your representatives into the positions which appoint others into that organisation, it is even better, because you can then fill the place
with clones of your own attitudes. Also, journalists are there to report events. If you can engineer significant events, the journalists will report them. You don't have to control every journalist to do this; the event will be reported anyway. Most of the time, the background information and explanation of that event will come from official sources. Watch a television news bulletin today if you can, and see where the words the reporter is speaking are overwhelmingly coming from: official sources.
So without even manipulating a single journalist, your engineered event, be it a "terrorist bomb" or "economic problem", is both reported and explained in the way you want.
The coverage of the horrific bombing in Oklahoma City in April 1995 was yet another example of puppet-strings journalism. Whatever official statements were issued, the media jumped on them immediately and accepted them as fact, without question. I listened to the BBC's Radio Five at that time and they introduced a lady from an organisation I had never heard of in America. There was not one question about what her organisation represented, who funded it, or what its background was. The interviewer just fed her questions and allowed her, unchallenged, to give her 'expert' opinion on the people she believed had carried out the attack.

i rather prefer the opinion on the true state of affairs within the media of John Swinton, a journalist on the New York Times, who is reported to have told his staff at his retirement dinner:

[i]"There is no such thing as a free press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who would dare to write his honest opinions. The business of the journalist is to destroy truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell himself, his country, and his race, for his daily bread. We are tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping jacks; they pull the strings, we dance; our talents, our possibilities, and our lives are the property of these men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

But here again, we come back to the same theme. The media is our creation. It reflects the collective mind of humanity and if it did not, it could not survive and prosper as it does. We can debate which came first, the collective mind's attitudes or the programming of those attitudes, but if you read the average tabloid newspaper and then spend an hour in the average bar, you will see that the thought patterns of the paper and the people are largely the same. Vast numbers of people think and act like a tabloid newspaper. They have allowed themselves to become tabloid thinker with tabloid minds. We now have tabloid radio and tabloid television, too, which psychological fascism follows from the success of the tabloid newspapers. They all want it short, incredibly superficial, and with each item full of either mockery, condemnation, instant judgements, the official line, and/or defence of the status quo. Oh yes, and if you can get lots of **** and bums in there at every opportunity, so much the better,
because women are only here to lust after. Have I just described the content of a tabloid newspaper or the content of a conversation you will hear in almost any bar when 'the lads' get together? Both. And that's the point. Those thought patterns in the collective mind created the reality we call the media. Tabloid newspapers reflect, and program, the thoughts of great tracts of humanity in an ever-downward spiral.
The more our thoughts are programmed, the more open we become to even more severe programming. The media won't change until the collective mind changes and that will result only from changes in individual thinking. We create our own reality and the media is no different. Whatever dominates the thought patterns of the collective mind will be the physical reality. The members of the human race in general want someone else to do their thinking for them, and they have allowed their minds to close to the point where they do not want to discuss anything that isn't superficial or full of mockery and instant judgements of others. Hence the
media we have today. We have thought that into existence, too. When we change, it will change.

I love you, I love you, I love you, I am you and you are me. We are each other.

But I will challenge the New World Order mentality until the moment it is time for me to leave this planet and move on. The two approaches, the love and the challenge, are not incompatible. Nor is forgiveness of the personnel while working to expose their game plan.
Forgiveness of self and each other will bring an end to the story I have told. Let the divisions between us fall away, for they have been manufactured on the classic principle of divide and rule. That is the reason behind the engineered wars and the divisions of race, colour, country, class and income bracket. While there is an us and a them, we are a manipulator's party trick. When the us and them becomes we, which is what we really are, all part of each other, the manipulation will end. Let us
put our arms around each other, the Arab and the Jew, the Christian and the Muslim, the manipulator and the manipulated. It's been a nightmare, but the nightmare is almost over. It's time to dream.

You are a beautiful spirit. You can be whatever you want to be. You are unique and you are loved in a way that we find so hard to comprehend on this planet.
There are times when I feel that love from all, and for all, of Creation. It is a love without fear, guilt, resentment, judgement or division. It is an experience beyond words and it is ours, yours, for the taking, the thinking, the feeling. We've been away too long, my friends. It is time to go home and reconnect with all that is. In the words of a lovely song recorded for the Comic Relief Appeal:

When we stand together,
It's our finest hour.
We can do anything, anything, anything, anything,
Keep believing in love's power.
Love can build a bridge,
Between your heart and mine,
Love can build a bridge,
Don't you think it's time?

There are gathering millions who are screaming "YES!" to that question. As love, respect, and forgiveness sweep across the human mind and we love out of existence the misunderstandings of the past, we are destined to be the first generations for thousands of years who will leave our children a better world than the one we found. That is our gift to, and from, this glorious planet.

My fellow expressions of God, what a great time to be alive.

Originally posted by The Omega
Why? It’ll probably not contain what you guys claim anyways…
Where on the page you posted a link to, does it say that ALL media is controlled by the CIA?
How should the CIA control the media in Britain, in Denmark, in Bahrain, in China??

Is that the best evidence you have to offer in support of your conspiracy ideas? Petty insults? Yes, I know that leaders get away with crime on daily basis, Parker. What does that prove?
Okay… so now we’ve reduced it from ALL media, to SOME media in the US being controlled by the CIA? Right. Prove it.
Who in other countries knew there was a conspiracy to kill JFK? As far as I know the discussions on who was behind the murder of JFK is being debated in the US and Europe alike to this day. I don’t know anyone who thinks Lee Harvey Oswald was the shooter. Do you? What OTHER countries KNEW it was a government plot?? How did they know the US government killed its own president? The Warren Commission did a terrible job; no one denies that as far as I know.
What evidence do you want Kharma Dog to present you??

[B]Parker, Deano> Okay, my two favourite conspiracy-nuts. What is your take on this whole “home-grown terrorist planned to bomb Sears-tower”?? [/B]

First of all,I didnt insult you,I just said your SOUNDING as stupid as that guy I used to know.you said how would george bush walk away from it all if he was involved? well thats as dumb as that guy I used to know I mentioned because Bush being involved in the CIA,nothings going to happen to him because the CIA protects their own.I already did prove it,I said read the book,you dont want to,so stop asking me to prove it to you.all you got to do is investigate the case and read books and you will come across people from different countrys back then where THEIR countrys were telling them it was the CIA behind it all.In other countrys they teach their students in schools that it was a homegrown plot because there they dont try and suppress it.Here in the states,the public school systems around the country are still trying to shove that garbage down our throats that oswald did it.do you live here in the states? if so you should know that.uh yes i run into countless people ALL THE TIME who tell me they believe the fairy tale warren commission report that oswald did it.heck I know an american history high school teacher who is obviously afraid to find out the truth because he shoves that garbage down their throats all the time.Like you and Kharma Dog,he cant be reasoned with either.My idiot sister believes that crap. I dont know exactly what countrys knew.I know england knew.I know an independent investigater from england that told me back then that there in england they were announcing it to the people that it was a conspiracy.They knew because over there as in other countrys,they dont suppress what goes on here in the states like the media does here.The media in other countrys isnt controlled by the CIA like it is here in the states so they arent afraid to speak the truth there.All around the world,leaders of other countrys knew kennedy was stepping on a lot of government toes in they hated him and wanted him out of the way so they reported the obvious since they are not CIA controlled like they are here in the states.I have encountered many people that in their countrys their school systems tell them that it was a plot by the government to kill kennedy,they will tell that in other countrys in their school systems because their school systems are not suppressed.I want to hear evidence from kharma dog from ANOTHER country that trashs oliver stone before I can take him seriously. 😛 My take is eventually in the future,the CIA will train some more terrorists to hijack another plane and ram it into the sears tower to get us involved in another phony war as they always do.

A late Happy Birthday to you Mr. Parker..... 😄

Originally posted by Mr Parker
you want to know the truth,then pick up some books at the library and read them.

So what you are saying is that only some books are controlled by these unseen forces. The books that are not controlled by these forces, and are a threat to them, can easily be found at the library. Does that really make sense to you?

Originally posted by Mr Parker
its amusing how you start an insult war and then when your insulted back you act like your an innocent victem.

Actually, that's not the case at all. Read what I said again and se if you get it this time.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
your the one thats ignoring facts not me,you keep falling for the lies that the mainstream media shoves down your throat to discredit stone

Give it a rest. Like I said, Stone admits himself to changig stories and distorting timelines and facts in order to make a better movie. Not to mention it is ridiculous that you put more historical vailidity in Oliver Stone than in leagues of historians both ancient and current.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
no not going to bother listing them because you ignore facts constantly on anyhting ANYBODY here points out to you because your so damn afraid fo the truth.i just told you the independent investigaters are people that are not famous people.that history teacher that I know is not famous so I cant show you links of stuff he knows,

I call bullsh*t on you. If you "know" these independant investigators, and that is indeed what they are, then they must have published or posted their findings somewhere. You don't know any of these people at all do you?

Originally posted by Mr Parker
stones movie is extremely accurate.I just explained to you that its all based on events that were known to happen.again STOP LISTENING TO THE CIA CONTROLLED MEDIA. 🙄

Do some research, and stop looking like a fool.

Quotes from Oliver stone about his movie JFK:
"I still maintain that the Warren Report is a myth, and that my movie, for want of having all the facts available, is a counter-myth to it."

" I study history in order to give an interpretation. There are just too many facts to include in any historical work, if you have it all before you. I am not trying to be a historian and a dramatist; I'm a dramatist, a dramatic historian, or one who does a dramatic interpretation of history."

Another thing you might find intersting:

One Hundred Errors of Fact and Judgment
in Oliver Stone's JFK

http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100menu.html

This page is not media controlled but a JFK assasination resource page

and what about JFK II?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
So what you are saying is that only some books are controlled by these unseen forces. The books that are not controlled by these forces, and are a threat to them, can easily be found at the library. Does that really make sense to you?

Actually, that's not the case at all. Read what I said again and se if you get it this time.

Give it a rest. Like I said, Stone admits himself to changig stories and distorting timelines and facts in order to make a better movie. Not to mention it is ridiculous that you put more historical vailidity in Oliver Stone than in leagues of historians both ancient and current.

I call bullsh*t on you. If you "know" these independant investigators, and that is indeed what they are, then they must have published or posted their findings somewhere. You don't know any of these people at all do you?

Do some research, and stop looking like a fool.

Quotes from Oliver stone about his movie JFK:
"I still maintain that the Warren Report is a myth, and that [b]my movie, for want of having all the facts available, is a counter-myth to it.
"

" I study history in order to give an interpretation. There are just too many facts to include in any historical work, if you have it all before you. I am not trying to be a historian and a dramatist; I'm a dramatist, a dramatic historian, or one who does a dramatic interpretation of history."

Another thing you might find intersting:

One Hundred Errors of Fact and Judgment
in Oliver Stone's JFK

http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100menu.html

This page is not media controlled but a JFK assasination resource page [/B]

yeah it makes plenty of sense because fortunately we live in a country- at the moment anyways, where people have the freedom to write and publish books.So if the governement cant stop people from publishing them,then they go to all kinds of lengths to discredit them.

AGAIN,if you would stop listening to the mainstream media AND listen to real media such as rense and infowars you would know that Stones film is very accurate and people are always trying to discredit him today still because they know its true.If its not so accurate as you claim,why would they have tried to stop him from making the film? When stone was making that movie,for the first time in his film making career,he had a first draft script stolen from him for the first time ever,not to mention it happened again to him when he made Nixon as well.Stone is hardly paranoid on this issue. Leagues of historians? just WHICH historians? you mean the CIA controlled time magazine people that you showed the link to that tried to discredit stone? 😄 as i said,all you got to do it go on one of their NOVEMBER IN DALLAS seminars they have every novenmber and you will encounter all these independent researchers I have been talking about that have studied the case who have this evidence I have seen with my own eyes to back up stone that his movie is very accurate.they give presentations at these seminars there all the time and talk about ideas they come up with to get the government to speak the truth on the matter.

I just listed one of them for you earlier,MARK LANE.Back in the mid 60's he was one for the first people to criticise the warren commission with his book RUSH TO JUDGEMENT.He put his life on the line to write that book and barely made that much money from it.He is an attorney as i mentioned earlier.this is proof why you cant be taken serious.I gve you these names of these investigaters and tell you to read his book and you respond back with bullshit that I dont have any names of any investigaters. 🙄 you got a reading problem obviously so your not worth my time anymore.the one who is talking bullshit is you.The other book that he wrote in the early 90's before JFK came out called PLAUSIBLE DENIAL goes into detail how CONGRESS did a congressional investigation of the CIA in their activites in the 1970's and how they indeed discovered after going through documents in the archives in washington that the CIA DOES indeed plant agents in organizations around the country and employ them in places such as the major newspapers here in the states,major corporations,animal rights activists,gay rights activists,ect ect.that they discovered the CIA penetrates these kind of groups and employs them.

you need to look in the mirror when telling someone to do some research and stop looking like a fool.READ THE BOOK.Read the book JFK,THE BOOK OF THE MOVIE..since I have to keep coming back repeating the same damn thing to you constantly and you wont do it,then again YOUR the one that needs to do some research and stop looking like a fool.

This page is NOT media controlled? Kinda like your hilarious logic that time magiazine is not media controlled. 😆 I would like to know some more information and background on this guy Dave Reitzes before I take him seriously. ever hear of the book called CASE CLOSED? It was written by a lawyer named gerald posner and it defends the warren commission.Its brillintly written.The first 50 pages or so he had me going believing that oswald did it,but then he went on with all this big lying spree that Jack ruby had no ties to the mob ect ect and I then figured it out that he was full of crap. I later on discovered that his lawyey firm is a lobbying firm for the CIA which is not at all surprising. so unlike you,I will actually take the time to look through that link you provided and unlike you do sme research on it and find out who this dave reitzes guy is first before I take it seriously. As I said before,I give you evidence that the CIA was involved by referring you to that book written by that lawyer MARK LANE who was one of the very first people to publish a book back in the mid 60's with RUSH TO JUDGEMENT showing the flaws and lies of the warren commission and how it was all covered up and thanks to him,his book woke up a lot of eyes to people and people saw through the lies of the the warren commission. so AGAIN,check out his other book written in the early 90's PLAUSIBLE DENIAL-how the CIA killed kennedy.You will see for your own eyes how he talks about how congress investigated the CIA and discovered how they penetrate organizations and you will see the proof for yourself in that book how GEORGE BUSH SR was working for the CIA back then and how it proves he was involved in the kennedy assassination as well.UNTIL you read that book,I am done with you and I wont read your insaen ramblings anymore till you tell me you have read it and are ready to discuss it.Till then I will be asking deano if you have read it and THEN and ONLY then will I discuss this with you.IN the meantime,I am going to check out that link and do some research on this dave reitzes guy.say hello to my ignore list in the meantime. 😛

Originally posted by Mr Parker
yeah it makes plenty of sense because fortunately we live in a country- at the moment anyways, where people have the freedom to write and publish books.So if the governement cant stop people from publishing them,then they go to all kinds of lengths to discredit them.

AGAIN,if you would stop listening to the mainstream media AND listen to real media such as rense and infowars you would know that Stones film is very accurate and people are always trying to discredit him today still because they know its true.If its not so accurate as you claim,why would they have tried to stop him from making the film? When stone was making that movie,for the first time in his film making career,he had a first draft script stolen from him for the first time ever,not to mention it happened again to him when he made Nixon as well.Stone is hardly paranoid on this issue. Leagues of historians? just WHICH historians? you mean the CIA controlled time magazine people that you showed the link to that tried to discredit stone? 😄 as i said,all you got to do it go on one of their NOVEMBER IN DALLAS seminars they have every novenmber and you will encounter all these independent researchers I have been talking about that have studied the case who have this evidence I have seen with my own eyes to back up stone that his movie is very accurate.they give presentations at these seminars there all the time and talk about ideas they come up with to get the government to speak the truth on the matter.

I just listed one of them for you earlier,MARK LANE.Back in the mid 60's he was one for the first people to criticise the warren commission with his book RUSH TO JUDGEMENT.He put his life on the line to write that book and barely made that much money from it.He is an attorney as i mentioned earlier.this is proof why you cant be taken serious.I gve you these names of these investigaters and tell you to read his book and you respond back with bullshit that I dont have any names of any investigaters. 🙄 you got a reading problem obviously so your not worth my time anymore.the one who is talking bullshit is you.The other book that he wrote in the early 90's before JFK came out called PLAUSIBLE DENIAL goes into detail how CONGRESS did a congressional investigation of the CIA in their activites in the 1970's and how they indeed discovered after going through documents in the archives in washington that the CIA DOES indeed plant agents in organizations around the country and employ them in places such as the major newspapers here in the states,major corporations,animal rights activists,gay rights activists,ect ect.that they discovered the CIA penetrates these kind of groups and employs them.

you need to look in the mirror when telling someone to do some research and stop looking like a fool.READ THE BOOK.Read the book JFK,THE BOOK OF THE MOVIE..since I have to keep coming back repeating the same damn thing to you constantly and you wont do it,then again YOUR the one that needs to do some research and stop looking like a fool.

This page is NOT media controlled? Kinda like your hilarious logic that time magiazine is not media controlled. 😆 I would like to know some more information and background on this guy Dave Reitzes before I take him seriously. ever hear of the book called CASE CLOSED? It was written by a lawyer named gerald posner and it defends the warren commission.Its brillintly written.The first 50 pages or so he had me going believing that oswald did it,but then he went on with all this big lying spree that Jack ruby had no ties to the mob ect ect and I then figured it out that he was full of crap. I later on discovered that his lawyey firm is a lobbying firm for the CIA which is not at all surprising. so unlike you,I will actually take the time to look through that link you provided and unlike you do sme research on it and find out who this dave reitzes guy is first before I take it seriously. As I said before,I give you evidence that the CIA was involved by referring you to that book written by that lawyer MARK LANE who was one of the very first people to publish a book back in the mid 60's with RUSH TO JUDGEMENT showing the flaws and lies of the warren commission and how it was all covered up and thanks to him,his book woke up a lot of eyes to people and people saw through the lies of the the warren commission. so AGAIN,check out his other book written in the early 90's PLAUSIBLE DENIAL-how the CIA killed kennedy.You will see for your own eyes how he talks about how congress investigated the CIA and discovered how they penetrate organizations and you will see the proof for yourself in that book how GEORGE BUSH SR was working for the CIA back then and how it proves he was involved in the kennedy assassination as well.UNTIL you read that book,I am done with you and I wont read your insaen ramblings anymore till you tell me you have read it and are ready to discuss it.Till then I will be asking deano if you have read it and THEN and ONLY then will I discuss this with you.IN the meantime,I am going to check out that link and do some research on this dave reitzes guy.say hello to my ignore list in the meantime. 😛

All you're saying is Kharma is dumb because he's not a conspiracy-nut.

That's real nice.

No.Because he ignores evidence thats on sites that prove it all like rense and infowars and doesnt want to read any of the books I mention to him that prove what I am saying is true and swallows the garbage the government media feeds him is why. 🙄

Originally posted by Mr Parker
AGAIN,if you would stop listening to the mainstream media AND listen to real media such as rense and infowars you would know that Stones film is very accurate

You look like a fool for two reasons in the above statement:
1. For quantifying Infowars and rense as real media.
2. For not acknowledging the fact that Stone himself admits his film is not accurate.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
.this is proof why you cant be taken serious.I gve you these names of these investigaters and tell you to read his book and you respond back with bullshit that I dont have any names of any investigaters. 🙄 you got a reading problem obviously so your not worth my time anymore.the one who is talking bullshit is you.

I say that you are full of bullsh*tbecause you claim to know these people. Telling someone to read a book to make your case is sad and pathetic. Why credentials make the author of that book worth listening to? I could easily jump into your train of thought and say that the CIA enlisted him to write that book in order to continue the conspiracy theories.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
This page is NOT media controlled? Kinda like your hilarious logic that time magiazine is not media controlled.

I would pretty much have to agree that TIME magazine is media controlled. Statements like that make you look like a moron.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
UNTIL you read that book,I am done with you and I wont read your insaen ramblings anymore till you tell me you have read it and are ready to discuss it.Till then I will be asking deano if you have read it and THEN and ONLY then will I discuss this with you.IN the meantime,I am going to check out that link and do some research on this dave reitzes guy.say hello to my ignore list in the meantime. 😛 [/B]

Is that a promise?

I doubt it But I hope it's true. You're inability to communicate in an intelligent manner, your incoherrent ramblings and your misplaced beliefs, though entertaining, are sad. When you grow up, you will learn to look at things both for yourself, and logically (one would hope) and you will laugh at the paranoid dellusions that you currently buy into.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
No.Because he ignores evidence thats on sites that prove it all like rense and infowars and doesnt want to read any of the books I mention to him that prove what I am saying is true and swallows the garbage the government media feeds him is why. 🙄

There is a fundamental difference between baseless theories that utilise extremely circumstantial material and theories that actually have something approaching solid fact.

A lot of the sources you are referring to belong in the first category (a lot? Maybe more like all) which is the problem. It is not about, as some claim, people purposely closing eyes, being sheep or deciding to keep living in an illusion and ignroring etc...

Rather it is about people looking at these claims and saying, in all honesty, there is no evidence there. Just people saying "I think this and it is fact" - it is not fact without some solid proof. A thousands juries could look at the same information and not one would be able to convict on it.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
There is a fundamental difference between baseless theories that utilise extremely circumstantial material and theories that actually have something approaching solid fact.

A lot of the sources you are referring to belong in the first category (a lot? Maybe more like all) which is the problem. It is not about, as some claim, people purposely closing eyes, being sheep or deciding to keep living in an illusion and ignroring etc...

Rather it is about people looking at these claims and saying, in all honesty, there is no evidence there. Just people saying "I think this and it is fact" - it is not fact without some solid proof. A thousands juries could look at the same information and not one would be able to convict on it.

errrr no.yeah it IS people purposely closing eyes and being sheep deciding to keep living in an illusion and ignoring.If this was an honest government run of the people by the people and for the people like our forefathers faught for then people Like Bush,Clinton,Cheney ect would have been behind bars a long time ago. 🙄 But there is a different law for politicians than there are for ordinary citizens so they get away with crimes constantly all the time everyday that me and you could never get away with.duh.everybody knows that. In an honest government they would all convict on it because it IS solid evidence.There is solid evidence that both the kennedy assassination and the world trade center were home grown plots but this is a fascist country so there will never be an honest investigation into it.They are never going to come out and say -we did it. 🙄

I love it when people say "Like our forefathers fought for!".

Were you around then, or are you just going by what you are told because there's no reason to believe otherwi...waaaait.

-AC

Dont know if your last post was directed at me or not Kharma Dog-if it was,then you just wasted your breath and was talking to yourself-I was serious when I said I just now put you on my ignore list.Until you have read that book Plausible Denial I wont discuss anything with you,but I know you are reading this right now and I just looked through only the first 2 stories there about Jack Martin and David Ferrie and I have seen enough for myself from just those first two linksthat this writer David Reitzes is clueless on what he is talking about and does not know the true facts.Example,for Jack Martin he goes on to say that he telephoned the police to say he got into an argument with Guy Bannister about a telephone bill which is true,he did call the police and say that it was about that, but what he ALSO conviently forgets to mention is that Garrison during his investigation into the kennedy case,that Martin ALSO told garrisons investigaters that Bannister tore into him for the REAL reason was because he did indeed talk about seeing a lot of strange things going on around there and strange people and that some of those people were Oswald and David Ferrie.

Reitzes THEN goes on to talk about David Ferrie saying that it was untrue that there were several people that reported seeing Oswald and Ferrie together in the summer of 63 together.Reitz is also full of bullcrap on that as well because Garrison during his investigation encountered many credible witnesses that told him and his investigaters they indeed saw Oswald and Ferrie together.He never brought those people on the stand to testify though because of all the people that were dying under mysterious circumstances when they reported seeing a gunman behind the picket fence and had a story that did not fit the offiicial version such as Lee Bowers who testified to seeing a gunman behind the picket fence.So I have seen enough already from just hose two storries to see this guy David Reitzes is full of crap.ANOTHER writer who if he doesnt have any ties to the government,is either A-ignoraant and does not know the true facts or B-been paid off to try and discredit stone like the CIA controlled TIME magazine people did.However I actually DO find this link interesting even though its all false so I will be ahppy to keep reading it and pointing out how this guy is full of crap and clueless on what he is talking about. 😄

I also find it amusing that this Reitzes guy swallows that garbage lie of ferries that he went to texas to go ice skating. 😆 this guy also has no credibility whatsoever,

Mr. parker give it up these people won't listen. like I said all this information can be found in libary book, de classified information, and newspapers. If they don't wanna belive that's their problem not ours.