Originally posted by KharmaDog
First of all, you have a double negative there. Was that intentional? Second, every avenue is always presented to the president, some are pretty ridiculous, some are scarey as hell, some are just irrational, no matter, many suggestions are just that, not answers, but just people throwing sh*t at the wall to see what sticks. To see it otherwise is reading too much into the process.WHAT A FRICKEN (AND BASELESS) JUMP IN LOGIC THAT IS!!!!
Until you have irrevocable proof, you cannot say that, unless you are just speaking out of your *ss.
Once again you are basing your research on Rense.com and infowars. Your points are moot. As for taking what Oliver Stone has to say for gospel, that makes you an idiot. He is a director, not a historian. On many of his movies he admits to embelishing or taking liberties with information for dramatic effect. Alexander, for instance, is a historical monstrosity.
To see the liberties that Stone took in JFK visit this site:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jfkmovie.htmDon't criticise any research that you think I may or may not have done when you believe hollywood as fact. You make yourelf look silly.
Actually, I would not try to advance my case with circumstantial evidence and heresay. The more you type, the more ridiculous you make yourself seem.
No that would be you because you clearly aren't listening.No the fact that you refuse to listen to the facts about 9-11 makes YOU an idiot.Stone didnt just blindly go out and decide to make up a script when making that movie.He had done countless hours and hours of research on the subject over the course of years after serving in vietnam and finding out like many vietnam vets did that they were lied to about that war and realising that the government never had any intention of wanting to win that war.again you dont listen,I did not get my information on the kennedy case from jones or rense.it was from books and independent investigators that have investigated the case for years.I got this info from independent investigators I have met in REAL LIFE who have gone through the archives in washington and have spent thousands of hours doing that.they have documented proof from those archives-these researchers i have met in REAL life who are far more knowledgeable about it than I am that while the house select commitee on assassinations was winding down their investigations that a couple of CIA officers came forward and confessed and said-we did it,where do you want to go with this thing. but the house select committee on assassinations did not want to hear the evidence and never investigated that lead.They left it saying that there was a Probable conspiracy involving more than one shooter and that the mob did it and that they could not find the actual shooters.THIS did NOT come from alex jones or rense i learned this from an american history professor I know who teaches at a college who has studied the case for 40 years now.He has the evidence to back up everything he says. I find it funny that the fairy tale warren commission said lee harvey oswald was the lone assassin and yet the house select committe on assassinations in 1977 even said that there was a probably conspiracy yet the media TODAY still propagates that oswald was the lone killer. 🙄
Stone's movie is based on actual events that actually happened and by what witnesses reported hearing and seeing.His movie isnt the absolute and all truth-thats why he has Kevin costner say things in the movie like-Lets just speculate shall we? when describing how it was pulled off.But his version is by far a hell of a lot more accurate to what really happened and by far a hell of a lot closer to the real truth than the fairy tale warren commission report is. 🙄
See the fact that you use Time magazine as a resource to debunk stones film just proves your ignorance on the subject.Time warner is the mainstream press controlled by the government,stop listening to what the mainsteam government news media tells you.They have successfully brainwashed you so badly now,that you dont have any logic or common sense left in you now because you are dumb enough to listen to them.Most the mainstream government controlled media attacked stone viciously back then.They didnt want him to get the word out.they even tried to stop him from making the film and when they couldnt,they tried to redicule him.Thats how they operate,when they cant kill you,they try and redicule you.
Originally posted by The Omega
“The CIA controlled press… ”Right! Every single reporter, journalist and writer who disagrees with conspiracy theories is controlled by the CIA. Strange that not a single one of them has had the guts to publish that fact… or …
Will the conspiracy-writers somehow manage NOT to be controlled by the CIA and alone know the truth…
This is why modern conspiracy theories are like religions.
I never said that.Not EVERY single writer is on the CIA payroll,no.But the top people who run the major media are though.All you got to do is have a couple of people who own the newspapers be in charge and they are the ones that have the final say to say-yeah you can run that,No you cant run that artical.It was proven back in the 70's when there was a congressional investigation into the CIA that the CIA has moles that penetrate organizations such as human rights activists,animal rights activists,big businesses,post offices,ect.Like I said,you want people to contact to discuss this with who has investigated this kind of stuff over the course of years,i can give you their names and how to contact them.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
Stone didnt just blindly go out and decide to make up a script when making that movie.
He admits to changing facts in all of his movies in order to advance the plots. He even said that "Alexander" was a Retelling of the story. In other words, he changed the story and the events to suit his movies. Get a clue will you.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
I got this info from independent investigators I have met in REAL LIFE who have gone through the archives in washington and have spent thousands of hours doing that.they have documented proof from those archives
Could you please list the names of the independant investigators that you met and provide links to their findings.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
But his version is by far a hell of a lot more accurate to what really happened and by far a hell of a lot closer to the real truth than the fairy tale warren commission report is. 🙄
Stone's version is not accurate at all. Do a little research will you. The fact that the warren commision report is a lie also has absolutely no bearing at all on how irresponsable and incorrect Ollie stone's movie was.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
See the fact that you use Time magazine as a resource to debunk stones film just proves your ignorance on the subject. Time warner is the mainstream press controlled by the government.
Time is not controlled by the government. They actually print stories that criticise the government. but there are many other sources to show you how incorrect the events are that Stone portrayed.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
They have successfully brainwashed you so badly now,that you dont have any logic or common sense left in you now because you are dumb enough to listen to them.
Your insults and comments are amusing. I have no need to comment on your lack of intelligence or common sense as your continual shifting of positions, ignoring of facts (even the fact that stone said that he changes history for the sake of his movies) irrational statements, baseless accusations and incoherent ramblings make the point clear enough.
PVS> That the Bush Administration pays news-corporations to air favourable news, is not the same as ALL media being controlled by the CIA.
DEANO> WHERE on those pages does it prove that the CIA controls the media???
Originally posted by Mr Parker
Stone didnt just blindly go out and decide to make up a script when making that movie. He had done countless hours and hours of research on the subject over the course of years after serving in vietnam and finding out like many vietnam vets did that they were lied to about that war and realising that the government never had any intention of wanting to win that war.
Riiight. Have you talked to Oliver Stone? How do you know that the US government had no intention of winning the Vietnam war? How do you know that this was what Stone realised?
Originally posted by Mr Parker
again you dont listen,I did not get my information on the kennedy case from jones or rense.it was from books and independent investigators that have investigated the case for years.
Could there be a conspiracy behind the murder of JFK? Yes, there could. The House Select Committee on Investigation said in the 1970’s that it could not rule out that a conspiracy was behind assassinating JFK.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
I got this info from independent investigators I have met in REAL LIFE who have gone through the archives in washington and have spent thousands of hours doing that.they have documented proof from those archives-these researchers i have met in REAL life who are far more knowledgeable about it than I am that while the house select commitee on assassinations was winding down their investigations that a couple of CIA officers came forward and confessed and said-we did it,where do you want to go with this thing.
That you have met someone in real life proves nothing, sorry to break it to you.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
but the house select committee on assassinations did not want to hear the evidence and never investigated that lead.
You’re mixing that up with the original committee investigating the murder of JFK.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
They left it saying that there was a Probable conspiracy involving more than one shooter and that the mob did it and that they could not find the actual shooters.
Have you even BOTHERED to read the report from the committee? They did NOT conclude that “the mob did it”. You’re jumping to conclusions.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
THIS did NOT come from alex jones or rense i learned this from an american history professor I know who teaches at a college who has studied the case for 40 years now. He has the evidence to back up everything he says.
Sorry, kid. AN American history professor? Am I supposed to take your word on it? That is not enough. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
I never said that.
Where did I say you did. Not everything in here is about you, Mr. Paranoid. I was talking to Deano. Or are you his sock?
Originally posted by The Omega
DEANO> WHERE on those pages does it prove that the CIA controls the media???
the media is corruption personified. any idiot should see it. they have an extraordinary inability to report the facts
It’s lying to you minute by minute, day after day and yet those lies are used by people to condemn and ridicule others and pressure them to conform to the limitations of the Hassle-Free Zone. “It must be true, I read it in the paper and saw it on the news.” (In that case it is probably not true.) “No, no, all the papers and television stations are saying it.” (In that case, it’s definitely not true). I observe the media because it is a major player in the game, but I don’t believe a single word it says unless it is confirmed by other independent sources. If the media in general wants us to believe something it is because those who manipulate the world want us to believe it. Those who manipulate the world control the media and the global news agencies that provide much of its information. The news programmes tell us what to think and the mental cancer of game shows and soaps urge us not to think. It is a telling combination and it has created a resident hypnotist in the homes of billions of people. It may be called a television and what it spews out may be called news and entertainment. But it is really a hypnotist whispering its thought control. It is after your mind and its mantra messages tell us what we should think, be, and do. Of all the elements that make up that light at the foot of the bottle, the media, and especially television, are among the brightest and most seductive...
Listen to meeeee. Look into my screeeeen. This is realiteeeee. Shut down your psycheeeee. You are freeeee.
It’s a piece a shit, walk away
The media is part of the game and reports the players in the game without ever questioning the game itself. The “big name correspondents and news presenters are nothing more than sports reporters. They report a different game, that’s all. They report on the ups and downs of teams in the game, the political parties, the banks and the financial exchanges, and they interview the managers,’ the players and the pundits. They call this “reporting” or “investigative journalism”, but it only “investigates” those areas which will not expose the game itself as the reason for our global plight. They never question the game because the media is part of the game and owned by the game. It is fundamental to the game. Any journalist who sought to really expose the game as rotten to the core or, God forbid, that it is controlled by a relative handful of people, none of which are ever elected, would be looking for another job.
At ownership level, people like Conrad Black at the Hollinger Group and Rupert Murdoch of the News Corporation know what is going on. The editors they appoint might know something about it, as may certain columnists, but most of the journalists will have no idea. The editor is always there to block anything they write that is against the interests of the Illuminati - as directed by the owner-and if they insist on pursuing an unwelcome story they find themselves looking for another job. Most of the 'information' that journalists present comes from official (Illuminati) sources anyway. In the immediate aftermath of a major event such as September 11 th, where are the reporters getting their information from? Official sources! Name me a single piece of relevant information broadcast by the mainstream media about what happened on 9/11, how it was done, who did it and what the retaliation should be, that did not come from official sources. Not one! We are told that White House sources say this, FBI sources say that, and OA or Pentagon sources say the other. This is how the Illuminati transmit through the media the version of events they wish the public to believe. These reports are blazed across the front pages of newspapers and the top of radio and television news bulletins throughout the world, and what they say becomes the 'norm', the official 'history'. In the weeks and months that followed, researchers who are interested in the real truth begin to dig away. Over and Over the establish
and document the proof of how the official version was a lie from start to finish. But where are their reports published? In small-circulation newsletters, self-published books, on the Internet and radio stations that operate with a fraction of the money and potential audience of the Illuminati empires. Therefore, years after the official version has been demolished it still prevails in the public mind. Stop anyone in London, New York, Cape Town, Sydney, anywhere, and ask them what happened on September 11th, or in Oklahoma, the Second World War or Kosovo. Almost every time they'll give you the official story because that is the only one they have heard. If we had real mainstream journalism the problem-reaction-solution technique could not work. The official version of events would be investigated and shown to have no foundation. This fact would be communicated to the people and the public reaction, desired by the authorities, would not be forthcoming. But instead, we have media that is little more than a public relations office for the official version of life and that makes problem-reaction-solution a breeze for the manipulators.
So it is with the global pyramid within which you find all the
organisations that control our lives - the banking system, political system,
multinational corporation network, the media, “education”, intelligence
agencies, military and so on. The peaks of their individual pyramids all
fuse together into the peak of the global pyramid, controlled by the
ridiculously few people I have called the Global Elite. From that peak,
the same policy, methods and aims filter down through all these,
apparently unconnected, aspects of society. At this Elite level all the
banks, political parties, newspapers and broadcast media, intelligence
agencies, multinational companies, and secret societies, are owned or
controlled by the SAME people. This is so important to grasp. The myth
of choice is there to fool us into believing we are free. Look at how many
companies the multinational corporations own.
you only have to look at alternative media to know that the mainstream media is a fuking farce.
Two small examples of media manipulation and false reporting reveal the bigger story. A former BBC journalist took a camera into the streets and record what people thought about the Queen Mother when she died in 2002 at the age of 101. The reporter found that '99 per cent' of those she interviewed said they didn't like the Queen Mother and didn't care that she had died. As a journalist of integrity, she reported the truth of what had happened, but found herself severely reprimanded by her bosses. The official BBC line was that the 'Queen Mum' (a really nasty piece of work) was loved and admired by the nation.
The journalist asked her sycophant 'superiors' if they were saying she should have lied. 'In the circumstances you should have bent the truth', they said. She was horrified and resigned. Sadly, there are few like her and the truth is not only bent every day, it is massacred.
'Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality.'
Why? Because they're meant to.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Your comparing the merger of states to the merger of countries.... okay...
Yes, because in Australia's case each state was essentially its own little nation, with federation the states ceased to be seperate colanies and became a single nation. And in the history of civilisation there have been plenty of nation mergers - as I mentioned the Roman Empire, the USSR etc. At the end of WWII the geo political landscape also changed. nations merged or were split. All I'm saying is that nations merging isn't new, and that the world has seen massive political entities before that controlled a great deal of land.
There would be no united states just, the north American union.
That's just what I meant. It doesn't seem like a big change - at the moment we have what, the US, Canada and I guess Mexico (and a couple of Islands.) Besides, how is the US going to get Canada anyway?
And what benefit will it bring to the US if it were to become the NAU?
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Deano> You are not answering my question, Deano. You claim the CIA controls all media, and posts a link. I looked the link, looked for information and proof of your claim. I didn’t find it.
So where on the page does it say the CIA controls the media?
Originally posted by Wonderer
Kharmadog, I thought you are between apathy and indifference? Damn, you can ramble on like a real pseudo-political analist.
At least he writes sentences that makes sense. If you THOUGHT he are… then what do you THINK now… ? And you attacking the MAN not his ARGUMENTS make you seem like you cannot counter his arguments.
Originally posted by The OmegaI'm not for Deano, but I'm for facts so lets get this straight,
Deano> You are not answering my question, Deano. You claim the CIA controls all media, and posts a link. I looked the link, looked for information and proof of your claim. I didn’t find it.
So where on the page does it say the CIA controls the media?At least he writes sentences that makes sense. If you THOUGHT he are… then what do you THINK now… ? And you attacking the MAN not his ARGUMENTS make you seem like you cannot counter his arguments.
The CIA is like a family, the people in the CIA have relations witheachother like you wouldn't imagine. Members in the CIA show up in the Skull and Bones, Yale, Polotics, George Bush and many more conections.
George Bush, was a CIA agent since 1953. And when he, Hunt and others helped kill JFK, his history was made!
He lost for Senate in 64, they gave him a job in congress.
He lost for Senate in 70, they gave him a job in the white house.
He lost the race to Reagan, they made him Vice President, and he ruled while Reagan napped for 8 long years.
George W. Bush was in the conspiracy to kill JFK Jr. seem crazy? Not at all, the facts are all around us!
http://www.geocities.com/cpa_blacktown/20000318mediaoverb.ht
The CIA-press connection traces its roots back to the early days of the Cold War, when Allen Dulles (who became CIA director in 1953) began courting the nation's most prestigious journalistic institutions for Agency operations. The mood of the day precluded the need for secretive infiltration, as Carl Bernstein points out in his 1977 expose on the topic. "American publishers, like so many other corporate and institutional leaders at the time, were willing to commit the resources of their companies to the struggle against global Communism," he writes. "Accordingly, the line separating the American press corps was often indistinguishable."That's not to say that reporters acted as spies in the James Bond sense. Media outlets offered services that fell into the broad categories of providing "cover" for CIA operatives (i.e. jobs and credentials) or sharing information gathered by reporters on staff.
While the Agency ran a formal training program in the 50's that attempted to teach rank-and-file agents to be reporters, this was among the least common of the more than 400 relationships with the press described in CIA files. Most involved were journalists before their involvement with the CIA began.
Reporters, especially foreign correspondents, typically served as "eyes and ears" for the CIA. Often they were briefed by agents before a trip and debriefed when they returned; they shared their notebooks, relayed things that they had seen or overheard and offered their impressions. More complex arrangements found reporters planting misinformation for the Agency or serving as liaisons between agents and foreign contacts, often in return for information or access.
"In return for our giving them information, we'd ask them to do things that fit their roles as journalists but that they wouldn't have thought of unless we put it in their minds," one agent told Bernstein. "For instance, a reporter in Vienna would say to our man, 'I met an interesting second secretary at the Czech Embassy.' We'd say, 'Can you get to know him? And after you get to know him, can you assess him? And then, could you put him in touch with us -- would you mind us using your apartment?'"
Another senior CIA official offered the following description of "reporting" by cooperating journalists: "We would ask them, 'Will you do us a favor? We understand that you're going to be in Yugoslavia. Have they paved the streets? Where did you see planes? Were there any signs of military presence? How many Soviets did you see? If you happen to meet a Soviet, get his name and spell it right."
It was a symbiotic relationship: reporters got the scoop and the spooks got the dirt. Correspondents with Agency ties were highly valued by their bosses for the stories they brought home. And agents saw in the press a perfect vehicle for information gathering: who else besides a reporter enjoyed such free access in a foreign country, could cultivate so many sources among foreign governments and elites and ask lots of probing questions without arousing suspicion?
CIA-press operations in the 50's and 60's relied heavily on journalists working in Latin America and Western Europe. Members of the press were used as go-betweens to deliver messages and money to European Christian Democrats and also helped the Agency track the movements of people coming from Eastern Europe. Additionally, the CIA owned 40 percent of the Rome Daily American, a now-defunct English-language newspaper in Italy.
Reporters funneled CIA dollars to opponents of Salvador Allende in Chile and wrote anti-Allende propaganda stories for CIA proprietary publications in that country. By Bernstein's account, two of the Agency's most valuable relationships in the 60's were with reporters who covered Latin America: Hal Hendrix, a Pulitzer Prize winner from the Miami News, and Jerry O'Leary of the Washington Star. CIA files on Hendrix (who went on to become a high-ranking official at ITT) detail information that he provided agents about Cuban exiles in Miami. O'Leary's file lists him as a valued asset in both Haiti and the Dominican Republic, although he denies having a formal relationship with the Agency. "I might call them up and say something like, "Papa Doc has the clap, did you know that? and they'd put it in the file," O'Leary told Bernstein. "I don't consider that reporting for them. It's useful to be friendly to them, and generally I felt friendly to them. But I think that they were more helpful to me than I was to them."
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise_01_03_03_mockingbird.html
Starting in the early days of the Cold War (late 40's), the CIA began a secret project called Operation Mockingbird, with the intent of buying influence behind the scenes at major media outlets and putting reporters on the CIA payroll, which has proven to be a stunning ongoing success. The CIA effort to recruit American news organizations and journalists to become spies and disseminators of propaganda, was headed up by Frank Wisner, Allen Dulles, Richard Helms, and Philip Graham (publisher of The Washington Post). Wisner had taken Graham under his wing to direct the program code-named Operation Mockingbird and both have presumably committed suicide.
Media assets will eventually include ABC, NBC, CBS, Time, Newsweek, Associated Press, United Press International (UPI), Reuters, Hearst Newspapers, Scripps-Howard, Copley News Service, etc. and 400 journalists, who have secretly carried out assignments according to documents on file at CIA headquarters, from intelligence-gathering to serving as go-betweens. The CIA had infiltrated the nation's businesses, media, and universities with tens of thousands of on-call operatives by the 1950's. CIA Director Dulles had staffed the CIA almost exclusively with Ivy League graduates, especially from Yale with figures like George Herbert Walker Bush from the "Skull and Crossbones" Society.
Many Americans still insist or persist in believing that we have a free press, while getting most of their news from state-controlled television, under the misconception that reporters are meant to serve the public. Reporters are paid employees and serve the media owners, who usually cower when challenged by advertisers or major government figures. Robert Parry reported the first breaking stories about Iran-Contra for Associated Press that were largely ignored by the press and congress, then moving to Newsweek he witnessed a retraction of a true story for political reasons. In 'Fooling America: A Talk by Robert Parry' he said, "The people who succeeded and did well were those who didn't stand up, who didn't write the big stories, who looked the other way when history was happening in front of them, and went along either consciously or just by cowardice with the deception of the American people."
Originally posted by Deano
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise_01_03_03_mockingbird.htmlStarting in the early days of the Cold War (late 40's), the CIA began a secret project called Operation Mockingbird, with the intent of buying influence behind the scenes at major media outlets and putting reporters on the CIA payroll, which has proven to be a stunning ongoing success. The CIA effort to recruit American news organizations and journalists to become spies and disseminators of propaganda, was headed up by Frank Wisner, Allen Dulles, Richard Helms, and Philip Graham (publisher of The Washington Post). Wisner had taken Graham under his wing to direct the program code-named Operation Mockingbird and both have presumably committed suicide.
Media assets will eventually include ABC, NBC, CBS, Time, Newsweek, Associated Press, United Press International (UPI), Reuters, Hearst Newspapers, Scripps-Howard, Copley News Service, etc. and 400 journalists, who have secretly carried out assignments according to documents on file at CIA headquarters, from intelligence-gathering to serving as go-betweens. The CIA had infiltrated the nation's businesses, media, and universities with tens of thousands of on-call operatives by the 1950's. CIA Director Dulles had staffed the CIA almost exclusively with Ivy League graduates, especially from Yale with figures like George Herbert Walker Bush from the "Skull and Crossbones" Society.
Many Americans still insist or persist in believing that we have a free press, while getting most of their news from state-controlled television, under the misconception that reporters are meant to serve the public. Reporters are paid employees and serve the media owners, who usually cower when challenged by advertisers or major government figures. Robert Parry reported the first breaking stories about Iran-Contra for Associated Press that were largely ignored by the press and congress, then moving to Newsweek he witnessed a retraction of a true story for political reasons. In 'Fooling America: A Talk by Robert Parry' he said, "The people who succeeded and did well were those who didn't stand up, who didn't write the big stories, who looked the other way when history was happening in front of them, and went along either consciously or just by cowardice with the deception of the American people."
Heraldo Rivera comes to mind.
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