ROTJ Luke vs AOTC Ani

Originally posted by Tangible God
Let's look at another fact.

Did you notice how both the ROTJ Vader AND Luke, during their saber fight, were just stepping to one another and swinging their swords like Medieval soldiers in Braveheart?

Where as, we see Anakin flipping and blocking and swinging like a madman--in comparison to Luke and Vader that is....Yoda was even crazier. Lets see OT Jedi dance the way that PT Jedi danced.

Okay, where does it say that Luke is stronger than Vader? ROTJ? In ROTJ, he battered down Vader in a suit.

Second, Anakin says "My powers have doubled since we last met, Count." From ROTS. Is this supposed to be an accurate, canon measure of Anakin's abilities? I don't think so. Anakin also says that Obi-Wan is as wise as master Yoda and as strong as Master WIndu. Also, in ROTS, Obi-Wan calls Anakin wise and strong. The former, we know he's not.

I think the real question that needs to be addressed here is how can ROTJ Luke be better than a jedi with ten years of training? I personally don't see it.

Umm yoda was better than him 2x, maybe 3x.

Yoda is more than three times stronger than Anakin. Yoda could take Dooku after a good fight, and look at how Dooku wasted Obi-wan and Anakin in AOTC without really trying to hard.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Umm yoda was better than him 2x, maybe 3x.

I am BORED!

If by twice as strong you mean is Yoda twice as good as Anakin, that's a hard question to answer exactly.

Why? Well, trying to get an exact number (like 200 % of something) is hard as hell to do in a world outside of a science lab.

But looking at AOTC, we see Yoda counter Dooku's Force attacks, something which neither Obi-Wan nor Anakin could do even as of ROTS. In particular, Yoda blocks the Sith lightning with his hand. He is the only person on the jedi side who can do this.

In blade combat, Yoda fares much better than Anakin and Obi-Wan. Essentially, he goes toe to toe with Dooku using one blade and is more successful than Anakin with two blades. I'm not even 100% convinced Yoda was trying to disarm or kill Dooku either. In any case, Yoda as of AOTC is MUCH better than Anakin. However, by ROTS, Anakin has gotten considerably better while Yoda hasn't changed much, but Yoda is still way beyond Anakin at this stage. So it seems pretty evident that AOTC Anakin is quite a bit below Yoda's level.

All right, since Admiral Akbar said two or three times as powerful and so did Darth_Glentract (although he always said Luke) I'll go ahead and prove my point.

George Lucas says in ROTJ Luke is 1/2 trained. He also says Luke becomes the strongest jedi, even stronger than Yoda. That means if Yoda is over twice as strong as Anakin (AOTC) then so is fully trained Luke. So FT (fully trained) Luke = AOTC Anakin X 2+, meaning 1/2 FT Luke (ROTJ Luke) is more powerful than AOTC Anakin.

that was total bull**** ❌ ❌ ❌ dont do that (on offence)

Originally posted by darthsith19
All right, since Admiral Akbar said two or three times as powerful and so did Darth_Glentract (although he always said Luke) I'll go ahead and prove my point.

George Lucas says in ROTJ Luke is 1/2 trained. He also says Luke becomes the strongest jedi, even stronger than Yoda. That means if Yoda is over twice as strong as Anakin (AOTC) then so is fully trained Luke. So FT (fully trained) Luke = AOTC Anakin X 2+, meaning 1/2 FT Luke (ROTJ Luke) is more powerful than AOTC Anakin.

Huh. Okay.

- Where does Lucas say that ROTJ Luke is half trained? Is this in reference to being a jedi, or overall trained? What does this make? Does this affect force mastery, potential, etc?

- When did Lucas say ROTJ Luke is better than Yoda? How could this be? If he was better than Yoda, why was he writhing on the ground suffering under Sidious' lightning? Even for a GL quote, this doesn't make sense enough to believe. Source?

- You saw the movies. How can you say with any degree of confidence that Anakin was inferior to Luke?

Hes talking about full potential Luke.

And this thread isn't.

Yep, we are talking about ROTJ Luke, not idiotic, godlike, oh so mighty NJO Luke.

Originally posted by darthsith19
All right, since Admiral Akbar said two or three times as powerful and so did Darth_Glentract (although he always said Luke) I'll go ahead and prove my point.

George Lucas says in ROTJ Luke is 1/2 trained. He also says Luke becomes the strongest jedi, even stronger than Yoda. That means if Yoda is over twice as strong as Anakin (AOTC) then so is fully trained Luke. So FT (fully trained) Luke = AOTC Anakin X 2+, meaning 1/2 FT Luke (ROTJ Luke) is more powerful than AOTC Anakin.

I said Yoda is MORE than three times stronger than AOTC Anakin. Still, it would show your point if you could back it up with other things, like quotes and references.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Huh. Okay.

- Where does Lucas say that ROTJ Luke is half trained? Is this in reference to being a jedi, or overall trained? What does this make? Does this affect force mastery, potential, etc?

- When did Lucas say ROTJ Luke is better than Yoda? How could this be? If he was better than Yoda, why was he writhing on the ground suffering under Sidious' lightning? Even for a GL quote, this doesn't make sense enough to believe. Source?

- You saw the movies. How can you say with any degree of confidence that Anakin was inferior to Luke?

Originally posted by darthsith19
1. In the ROTJ AC. A 1/2 trained Jedi.
2. I heard he said it in some interview. And this is NJO Luke, not ROTJ Luke.
3. You saw my proof, proof coming from Lucas himself.

1. Half-trained jedi by ROTJ doesn't explain how he can beat Anakin in this thread.

2. Cite please if you're gonna hold a stance with some interview, somewhere, sometime. And this thread is not about NJO Luke, so let's not waste our time there. I highly doubt that GL outlined and made NJO Luke, considering what a ridiculous pile of BS he has become.

3. What proof? I don't see a thing; just you posting and apparently not proving how ROTJ Luke can defeat Anakin.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
1. Half-trained jedi by ROTJ doesn't explain how he can beat Anakin in this thread.

2. Cite please if you're gonna hold a stance with some interview, somewhere, sometime. And this thread is not about NJO Luke, so let's not waste our time there. I highly doubt that GL outlined and made NJO Luke, considering what a ridiculous pile of BS he has become.

3. What proof? I don't see a thing; just you posting and apparently not proving how ROTJ Luke can defeat Anakin.

Luke may be, cannonically, one of the most powerful Jedi, he actually MAY be.......he just SHOULDN'T be.......his whole story of coming to the power he has in NJO isn't the greatest story of hardcore Jedi Training.

It's better to keep the semi-demi-god Jedi in the past, when the Sith and Dark Side were much more rampant and powerful than post-Imperial Regime.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Half trained does make sense. So does me mentioning NJO Luke. I heard on starwars.com Lucas said Luke was the strongest jedi and a few other sites too. So full trained Luke > Yoda meaning 1/2 trained Luke/ROTJ Luke X 2 ? Yoda. So if you think AOTC Anakin could beat ROTJ Luke you think Yoda is less than twice as powerful as AOTC Anakin. It makes perfect sense.

NJO Luke > Yoda

1/2 Trained Luke (as a jedi, not total) x 2 = Yoda?

AOTC Anakin > ROTJ (1/2 trained) Luke
therefore Yoda< 2 x AOTC Anakin?

WTF?

First off, using numbers like this is ridiculous, because this isn't an exact science. They don't have stats, and there are so many variables it's unreal.

Second, anyone on KMC or another site saying that Yoda is twice or three times as powerful compared to AOTC Anakin isn't a reliable canon source. Not even a good beginning for inferences.

And third, the phrase is half trained jedi, not halfway to NJO. If anything, the Jedi Academy series is halfway to NJO, not ROTJ. So trying to say that ROTJ Luke is half as good as NJO Luke is seriously off base. Point being, AOTC Anakin is better than ROTJ Luke. It's simple; watch the movies. AOTC Anakin fought hordes of Geonosians, survived a firefight in the middle of an open arena, slaughtered an entire Tusken Raider village, and even held his own against Dooku for longer than Obi-Wan did. ROTJ Luke barely took on the crew of Jabba's sailbarge.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
NJO Luke > Yoda

1/2 Trained Luke (as a jedi, not total) x 2 = Yoda?

AOTC Anakin > ROTJ (1/2 trained) Luke
therefore Yoda< 2 x AOTC Anakin?

WTF?

First off, using numbers like this is ridiculous, because this isn't an exact science. They don't have stats, and there are so many variables it's unreal.

Second, anyone on KMC or another site saying that Yoda is twice or three times as powerful compared to AOTC Anakin isn't a reliable canon source. Not even a good beginning for inferences.

And third, the phrase is half trained jedi, not halfway to NJO. If anything, the Jedi Academy series is halfway to NJO, not ROTJ. So trying to say that ROTJ Luke is half as good as NJO Luke is seriously off base. Point being, AOTC Anakin is better than ROTJ Luke. It's simple; watch the movies. AOTC Anakin fought hordes of Geonosians, survived a firefight in the middle of an open arena, slaughtered an entire Tusken Raider village, and even held his own against Dooku for longer than Obi-Wan did. ROTJ Luke barely took on the crew of Jabba's sailbarge.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Well we all know why Anakin held on longer than obi wan...

Dooku was toying with him?

Meh, no matter which way you spin that fight even, the point remains that Anakin is much more capable than ROTJ Luke. And if the movie isn't good enough, read The Approaching Storm.