Originally posted by King KAM
I think that Batman and the Joker are Superbly written, and because so everyone likes them and this makes some people who WANT TO BE COOL, say they are ovverrated, just because it makes them feel like they are hip, but in reality Batman isnt overrated he is just better written then punisher, thats why hed kick his ass, he is also a WAY better seller because of this, and just because punisher has a cult doesnt make him cooler, hes not. Punisher is overrated and gets his ass kicked by blind people.
Originally posted by Juntai
Negative, Batman not only snuck up on Daredevil, but showed him up too, and then walked turned and walked away without finishing it saying "Not bad for a blind guy."
Daredevil caught the Bat's batarangs. He didn't show him up. He thought he had Daredevil in a choke hold, but the Devil easily escaped.
Originally posted by Juntai
JLA/Avengers: Wasn't there a mention of Batman beating up punisher for 20 straight minutes or something..?
Batman in another comic tells Cass "Congradulations on beating Lady Shiva. Even I have never done that."
In another comic, Cass is talking to Oracle[Former Batgirl who got her spine blew out by whoo...?] about the Joker and discussing a time Barb fought Joker and he beat her ass... Cass attacks the Joker. And he beats the shit out of her. In another one, Joker takes down Comission Gordon's wife... Gordon shoots him in the knee... his reply?"I'll never walk again... oh .. haha . . Like your daughter..!!!!!!!! HAHAH!" In another one, he smashes Robin. In another he dominates the western Hemisphere.. in another he's king of the universe...Joker is a more lethal and crazy opponent than Frank has ever faced. And who has Frank KILLED that was a long standing well recognized character of any worth? Joker elimites by the hundreds... everytime he gets out... less than 6 hours..
Let's see ... are you talking about the Batman/Punisher fistfight wherein Batman was uninjured going into the fight, while Punisher was shot up and bleeding severely? And not to mention the fact that pure HtH is overall Frank's weakest area (not that he's weak in it, just that he's far better at other things)?
You know, VERY early in his career, Punisher also tagged SPIDER-MAN with mercy rounds in a straight fight, which is a hell of a lot harder than it would be for him to do much the same thing to Batman. Yet I don't think anyone would argue that Frank could have beaten Spidey in a fistfight! 😆
As for Cass ... why'd you even mention Cass? Yeah, she's awesome HtH. And?
Originally posted by Juntai
And Wayne beat a Predador with a Louisville?
Anways, that was a cross over. And since when is Joker really Bruce Wayne?
Punisher's Feats:
http://superherochat.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=91333&highlight=punisher
Originally posted by OrestesBecause Joker beat her ass hand to hand, without a plot or plot device?
Let's see ... are you talking about the Batman/Punisher fistfight wherein Batman was uninjured going into the fight, while Punisher was shot up and bleeding severely? And not to mention the fact that pure HtH is overall Frank's weakest area (not that he's weak in it, just that he's far better at other things)?You know, VERY early in his career, Punisher also tagged SPIDER-MAN with mercy rounds in a straight fight, which is a hell of a lot harder than it would be for him to do much the same thing to Batman. Yet I don't think anyone would argue that Frank could have beaten Spidey in a fistfight! 😆
As for Cass ... why'd you even mention Cass? Yeah, she's awesome HtH. And?
Joker is sicker than you'd think.
Originally posted by King KAM
hell screw it...Wolverine would kill them all.
Why has Frank lost more to Wolverine than Wolverine has lost to him? why did wolverine leave him for dead after beating his ass? why is frank second rate? why doesnt he ever kill anyone important??, if we are talking about mere humans, then thats nothing.....He is cool but he will never be batman.....he is just a side character that wont ever be a force to be reckoned with, without his gun he is done for, and he would get smashed up sumthin vicious by any other streetleveler in h2h anyday.
Originally posted by jgiantActually, they begged him to join the JLA, kicked him out, them begged him back because they weren't worth much without his direction.
King Kam: Frank has stood over a beaten DD more than once, or twice, or even three times...Frank has also stood over wolvie more than once...DD can hang with bats...If bats is soooo great why did he let his father and mother die, why does he let mass murdurers kill again and again and again, why does he have a sidekick who is a little boy, why did that little boy where such short shorts, why is he part of the JLA bats cant hold his own or something he always seems to need some help, maybe he is just needy, I could go on but....
Let's not forget that Batman has also taken Carnage hand to hand, Defeated Darkseids plots and even engaged him h2h, taken Superman on hand to hand, deafeated Hulk hand to hand... Are we really putting feats and crosssovers in this?
I say with two weeks time, Frank walks into a rediculously long and involving plot regaurding everyone he's ever known, and watches them all die, and has his psyche snaps, Joker blows him out with a 45. Frank is NOT on the level of Batman's enemies. This guy has a tough time with Crime Bosses. Crime bosses hand over their empire and run when Joker comes through.
Ras is also far too much, this guy can influence the known world to suit him. He's is Batman's equivelent in every manner.. plus immortal.. kinda.
And even Riddler is on a whole new level these days, since he dunked into the Lazerous pit. He's behind a couple of Batman's most twisted plots in recent time.
And Clayface? There's just no chance.
Can you tell me how many times wolvie has beaten Pun...Pun blew his face off, shot him in the croch, set him on fire, and to top it off ran him over with a bulldosser...Pun also shot a rocket in wolvies stomach...i'd say their pretty even in the win department...Second rate???!!!! He is the number one, most dangerous man in Marvel...Didn't kill anyone important, well if you don't think entire mob families are important, if you don't think getting rid off drug lords is important, if you don't think killing mass murderurs is important than i dont know what to say...Ohh and frank acctually took DD on one on one and he took him through a window they fell a few fire escapes down and to make a short story even shorter DD got two dislocated sholders, "Don't look so good from down there"...