Anakin and Vader ROTS vs. Dooku

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Anakin and Vader ROTS vs. Dooku

Would Anakin at the beginning of ROTS and Vader before fighting Obi-wan have able to tegether defeat Dooku?

Setting: Naboo Generation Room, where Maul fought Obi-wan and Qui-gon.

I would say Dooku. Why? First off, the way he pwned Obi-Wan, I imagine he could have done the same to Anakin as well, since Anakin never struck me as an impressive force user. So with one out of the way, he can easily manhandle the other.

Tyranus would waste these chumps. . .

Yeah, didn't Anakin, however the controversy on the subject, defeat Dooku at the beginning of ROTS?

And wasn't pre-suit Vader more powerful than said Anakin?

Dooku was holding back against Anakin. Sidious gave him strict orders not to win the fight.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Yeah, didn't Anakin, however the controversy on the subject, defeat Dooku at the beginning of ROTS?

And wasn't pre-suit Vader more powerful than said Anakin?

You can only see in ROTS that Tyranus was toying with Anakin. . .

Originally posted by General Makashi
You can only see in ROTS that Tyranus was toying with Anakin. . .
He's still lacking one head though.

Yes. And a pair of hands. . .Tyranus would still waste them.

It's just illogical though. You got the guy who was CLOSE to Dooku in skill, then you got the guy who has got to be at LEAST level with Dooku. Together, and they would both be pwnd?

Who the hell said Anakin was anywhere close to Dooku's skill level?

Dooku could have pwned Anakin. the only reason he got beat was that (imo) je was so surprised that sidious turned against him that he "threw" the fight

His original intent may not have been to kill Skywalker. But like it or not, he was utterly overhwhelmed by him when Anakin went darkside. If Dooku was so much superior to Anakin, he would never have allowed his hands to be severed. Dooku is not as godly as many people seem to think he is.

Now, I too consider him an amazing duelist. Hence why, in the thread that now centers around Vos, I said that he is superior to Anakin and/or Obi-Wan. But he is not that far above them. Or else he would have simply surrendered to Anakin instead of allowing himself to be maimed, and soon after, killed.

whatever until GL will say something all we can do is guess

Well, the thing that really swings this fight in Dooku's favor, Faunus, is his amazing control of the Force. In ROTS, he didn't use anything on Anakin, not even some mild lightning. If he had, he never would have been in that situation. Remember how easily Dooku threw Obi-Wan, and in the final battle, Obi-Wan and Anakin are matched for Force powers, despite Anakin's obvious higher potential and anger. If Dooku was fighting for his life, this would be a no-nonsense kinda battle; some lightning here, some Force shoving there, and a saber stroke of ten if he needs them. But his fighting philosophy is one of efficiency. He could do this.

So we know Dooku is strong enough to defeat Anakin, but not strong enough to control him.

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
His original intent may not have been to kill Skywalker. But like it or not, he was utterly overhwhelmed by him when Anakin went darkside. If Dooku was so much superior to Anakin, he would never have allowed his hands to be severed. Dooku is not as godly as many people seem to think he is.

Now, I too consider him an amazing duelist. Hence why, in the thread that now centers around Vos, I said that he is superior to Anakin and/or Obi-Wan. But he is not that far above them. Or else he would have simply surrendered to Anakin instead of allowing himself to be maimed, and soon after, killed.

Dooku had to be defeated by Anakin because Anakin (having a look on Sidious own plans) should be the "hero of the day". Don't you think that people (in this case the Jedi and the Senate) would have been suspicious if Dooku had simply surrendered ? Why should he have done that ? So Anakin had to defeat him and this means killing him or leaving him unarmed (destroying his lightsaber, cutting his hands off).

I'm pretty sure Dooku was overwhelmed when Anakin cut his hands off but if he had used all his abilities this fight would have been over after he threw Obi-Wan through the room. He had both Obi-Wan and Anakin on the ground (after kicking Anakin away and throwing Obi-Wan) and he would have easily been able to cut Anakin down and after that kill Obi-Wan if he would have liked to do so. He didn't. Same after locking sabers with Anakin an telling him to use his hate - he holds his lightsaber up and waits for Anakin instead simply cutting him down.

And - if I might remind you - Anakin and Obi-Wan are pretty much equal in ROTS and Dooku was able to kick them both around without using all his abilities. Why should 2 Anakins be a greater problem for him if he's allowed to use all he can use ?

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Dooku had to be defeated by Anakin because Anakin (having a look on Sidious own plans) should be the "hero of the day". Don't you think that people (in this case the Jedi and the Senate) would have been suspicious if Dooku had simply surrendered ? Why should he have done that ? So Anakin had to defeat him and this means killing him or leaving him unarmed (destroying his lightsaber, cutting his hands off).

I'm pretty sure Dooku was overwhelmed when Anakin cut his hands off but if he had used all his abilities this fight would have been over after he threw Obi-Wan through the room. He had both Obi-Wan and Anakin on the ground (after kicking Anakin away and throwing Obi-Wan) and he would have easily been able to cut Anakin down and after that kill Obi-Wan if he would have liked to do so. He didn't. Same after locking sabers with Anakin an telling him to use his hate - he holds his lightsaber up and waits for Anakin instead simply cutting him down.

And - if I might remind you - Anakin and Obi-Wan are pretty much equal in ROTS and Dooku was able to kick them both around without using all his abilities. Why should 2 Anakins be a greater problem for him if he's allowed to use all he can use ?

Competely agree. Dooku takes them out.

Mega cool thread! Anakin has supercool teamwork with himself because he trusts and knows himself very well, Anakin would chop Dooku into peaces with the help of Anakin! Case closed!! 🍺

Would he? First of all one of them is dark the other one is light. The Dark one would have no problem the light one probably wouldn't want to see the Dark One. And how would they work together as a team? They don't aid each other they would just try to do the same thing at the same time.

Sorry, they are working together, that was agreed, case closed. 🍺