Originally posted by Ambient
bash Topic to our discussion man. You guys ask for proof regarding Surfer’s energy blast affect h herald level durability - I just provided proof - your counter argument ??? Phhft! “Hal could do it”Freakin hard to debate this way man.
How many examples do you want? 10? 20?
[QUOTE=17613903]Originally posted by abhilegend
While Adam is sitting there twiddling his thumbs I guess? [/QUOTE
If Surfer became microscopic, flew into BA's ear.....
And he said Shazam, would that not utterly destroy Surfer? Since he's now microscopic, the effects of a magic lightning bolt should be magnified thousands of times.]
Anyway, as ambient wanted, here's the herald list according to kmc.
Tier 3 - Herald
High
Adam Warlock, Annihilus (/w/ CCR), Asmodel, Atrocitus, Brimstone, Cyborg Superman, Despero, Doomsday (DOS), Doomsday (Gog Wars), The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Firestorm, Flash (Barry Allen, Wally West, Bart Allen), Genis-Vell, Godspeed, Grail, Grand Regent Thragg, Green Lanterns (Alan Scott, Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner), Helspont, Imperiex Probes, John Constantine, Majestic, Maxima, Obsidian, Orion, Plutonian, Quasar, Qztr, Sentry (no Void), Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Spartan 3.0, Starbrand, Starro the Conqueror, Talisman, Thor, The Weird, Ultraman, Wonder Woman, Zatanna, Zod, Zoom (Hunter Solomon)
Middle
Abra Kadabra, Alexander Nero, Apocalypse, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Battle Beast, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Bizarro Superman, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Blue Marvel, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Captain Marvel (DC), Cassandra Nova, Cheetah, Citizen Steel, Conquest, Count Nefaria, Damage, Damien Hellstrom, Dr. Doom, Eradicator (non-Fortress Mode), Etrigan, Evinlea, The Fallen One, The General (Shaggy Man), Gladiator, Graviton, Grayven, Green Lanterns (Guy Gardner, Icon (Milestone), Jessica Cruz, John Stewart, Katma, Kilowog, Simon Baz, Sodam Yat), Hulk, Hyperion, Invincible, Juggernaut (Classic), Kang, Kid Omega, Kurse, Lobo, Loki, Maestro, Magneto (616), Magus (Post-IG), Manchester Black, Mantis (New God), Martian Manhunter, Mon-El, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Spectrum), Moonstone (w/ both stones), Morg, Nate Grey, O.M.A.C., Omni-Man, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sersi, Shadowman, Shaman, Skreet, Star Sapphire (Carol Ferris), Stardust, Supergirl, Supreme (original), Ultron, Void (Wildstorm, no Creation Engine power), White Martians, Wildfire, Witchfire (Demon Form)
Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Angela, Animal Man, Apollo, Aquaman, Atlas (DC), The Atom, Big Barda, Blanque, Breach, Captain Comet, Cir-El, Coldcast, Cyborg, Darkness, Deadman, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Light II (Kimiyo Hoshi), Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Ebony Maw, Enchantress (DC), Enchantress (Marvel), Engineer, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firelord, Flash (Jay Garrick), Frankenstein (DC), Gammid, Gilgamesh, Godzilla, Gorilla Grodd, Granny Goodness, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hercules (Immortal), Iceman, Ikaris, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jericho, Jesse Quick, Kalibak, Killer Frost, King Hyperion, Krypto, Lightray, Living Monolith, Loki (Ultimate), Lunatik, Madison Jeffries (BOX IV), Magik, Magneto (U), Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Marrina (Leviathan), Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Metamorpho, Mirror Master, Morlun, Mr. M, Mr. Sinister, Nico Minoru, Nimrod, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Parasite, Plastic Man, Power Girl, Prime, Professor X, Proxima Midnight, Raven, Ravenous, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saint Walker, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Shadow King, She-Hulk, Skaar, Skeletor, Snowbird, Solar (Gold Key), Solomon Grundy, Starhawk, Starman, Super Skrull, Stryfe, Super-Man (Kenan Kong), Superboy, Supergiant, Tempest, Terrax, Thor (Ultimate), Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Union, Vision, Vulcan, Weapon H, Wendigo, Wiccan, Winter, Witchfire (Normal), Zauriel
Let's see how many of these have shrugged off attacks from Surfer, shall we?
Starting from random.
Ronan shrugs off a suckershot and then a combined blast from Surfer and Genis.
Lunatik shrugs off multiple blasts from Surfer.
https://imgur.io/a/Ftcze6H
https://imgur.io/a/TPOM2Cb
https://imgur.io/a/VLb6rhB
https://imgur.io/a/Y61O7V0
Drax shrugs it off without the power gem.
Red Shift
http://i.imgur.com/Hg5KF1W.jpg
Air Walker
Robbie Reyes
https://i.imgur.com/uZPnptu.png
https://i.imgur.com/a4lymjI.png
Firelord
https://i.imgur.com/yGw4Wno_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
Again
https://i.imgur.com/7Krpq3b_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
Quasar
Kang
Will add more.
Originally posted by tkitnaSurfers power would be reduced many times if he shrunk.
Surfer shrinks to microscopic size and flies into his ear and blasts his brain to nothing for the easy win.Almost a spite thread to be honest. Surfer has to many ways to win.
So we using a member controlled Surfer now?
So if Surfer has a thousand options (even speculative options and also options he never thought about in battle), I can choose which one he does? What about Propensity, the creativity, etc. That's part of character too.
Originally posted by MrMind
Hal is too much of a chad to be popularComic fans like wimpy **** like sentry Thor etc
Hal spent an entire run not being able to afford an apartment or pay the rent, iirc.
Space hobo.
And he keeps wimping... only pretends to be a chad sometimes and gets brutally assraped during such moments.
This is not giving me any pleasure. But I'm sure you've heard that before. Now I will cut your micropenis off. - Wonder Woman, start of DCnU, written by Geoff Johns (the biggest expert on Lanterns)
Originally posted by abhilegend
Starting from random.Ronan shrugs off a suckershot and then a combined blast from Surfer and Genis.
Lunatik shrugs off multiple blasts from Surfer.
https://imgur.io/a/Ftcze6H
https://imgur.io/a/TPOM2Cb
https://imgur.io/a/VLb6rhB
https://imgur.io/a/Y61O7V0Drax shrugs it off without the power gem.
Red Shift
http://i.imgur.com/Hg5KF1W.jpg
Air Walker
Robbie Reyes
https://i.imgur.com/uZPnptu.png
https://i.imgur.com/a4lymjI.pngFirelord
https://i.imgur.com/yGw4Wno_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=mediumAgain
https://i.imgur.com/7Krpq3b_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
Quasar
Kang
Will add more.
Look at your proof man! Ronan was freakin on the ground on four limbs breathing heavy, Quasar had to armoured up after that blast, a blast that Surfer no intention to harm him, a blast that actually hurt him.
The rest of of those image you posted are just out of context, also like your boy blue, Surfer is a pacifist who always holds back
Originally posted by Ambient
Big to differ, this guys didn’t shrugged off his blastTo compare Surfer versatility requires all of GL members feat and FireStorm 🙄 probably why his the stable poster boy her in KMC in that regard .
This is when he turn the damage soak up a bit. Black Adam is not walking unscathed with those kind of blast.
Adam gets obliterated or gets penetrated 🫡
Surfer does not need to resort to exotic means to beat Adam he can do it by force.
This is the damage soak he can take against to Celestial level beings, the same one that took out Galactus and black Adam is not putting that kind of Damage.
Surfer got this in the bag 10/10 for the win.
Originally posted by Ambient
Forcefully I might add.This is Morg with WOL upgrade . His never lost that upgrade as stated in this bio .
Same guy that took out all this herald.
And Surfer put him out of misery! A similar way he’ll take out Black Adam
Or board penetration - take your pick
Well if Surfer blasts everyone else and not do anything to them
then that means WOL is weak against blasts or it was simply a low showing for him. On average Surfer's blasts do absolutely nothing to high herald level beings.
I'm pretty sure the board will hurt BA as it hurt several high heralds already (that's consistent). The problem though is BA can dodge it, catch it, or Surfer might not employ the tactic before he is koed by punches. It's possible that Surfer can win that way. Just not likely.
I say BA wins 6-7/10
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hal spent an entire run not being able to afford an apartment or pay the rent, iirc.Space hobo.
And he keeps wimping... only pretends to be a chad sometimes and gets brutally assraped during such moments.
This is not giving me any pleasure. But I'm sure you've heard that before. Now I will cut your micropenis off. - Wonder Woman, start of DCnU, written by Geoff Johns (the biggest expert on Lanterns)
wonder woman secretly wants hal's dong but can't get it since hal is only into jailbait, so she mad
Originally posted by h1a8
Well if Surfer blasts everyone else and not do anything to them
then that means WOL is weak against blasts or it was simply a low showing for him. On average Surfer's blasts do absolutely nothing to high herald level beings.I'm pretty sure the board will hurt BA as it hurt several high heralds already (that's consistent). The problem though is BA can dodge it, catch it, or Surfer might not employ the tactic before he is koed by punches. It's possible that Surfer can win that way. Just not likely.
I say BA wins 6-7/10
I don’t know where people got the idea that his blast e’ll affect H herald - he does hold back all the time but it’s not like he has no high blasting feat . That’s a trans level he took out there.
KO’ed by punches isn’t going to happen, he can soak up quite a bit of damage as shown in above post - going up against two Galactus level beings - there is no way BA can deal that kind of damage. That kind of durability coupled with shield that could protect him from assault the likes of Bannerless Hulk + he can also turn intangible. Whatever BA’s offensive capability Surfer can deal with it.
Originally posted by Ambient
🙄 I think you need to look at those wall of image you posted again Abhi. cause none of those guys just shrugged off Surfers blast.Look at your proof man! Ronan was freakin on the ground on four limbs breathing heavy, Quasar had to armoured up after that blast, a blast that Surfer no intention to harm him, a blast that actually hurt him.
The rest of of those image you posted are just out of context, also like your boy blue, Surfer is a pacifist who always holds back
This is when he turn the damage soak up a bit. Black Adam is not walking unscathed with those kind of blast.
shrug off_phrasal verb
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shrug something off/aside
to treat something as if it is not importantsynonym_dismissShrugging off her injury, she played on.He shrugged aside suggestions that he resign.
They continued on, that's the definition of shrugging off. I didn't say they no sold him.
Knocking out someone less powerful than himself (Morg) and a jobber (Champion) is hardly impressive. Orion one would be if it was canon.
