Silver Surfer vs. Black Adam

Started by abhilegend31 pages
Originally posted by Test123
DC high tiers routinely struggle with planetary/moon level feats as well, this isn't just a Marvel thing. Although Marvel high tiers do seem to have more explicit planet busting/moving feats from what I've seen.

No, they don't.

As for Surfer being hardly at GL's level here, he's actually above their level, considering how quickly Surfer KO'd him.

https://imgur.com/a/ZguhaXS

A rookie Kyle. And it wasn't quick, they were fighting for awhile.

I'm not sure what draining Oan energy from Thanos has to do with this, cosidering he needed Surfer's help to contain it. Too bad he couldn't drain Surfer when they fought.

Too bad he did from Parallax. Surfer isn't anything compared to that.

Plus Kyle's record against other Marvel high tiers isn't very good, he was getting his attacks no-sold and constructs shattered by the likes of Wonder Man (Superman had to save Kyle),

Juggernaut got oneshotted by GL energy and a gun design created by Tony.

and then him and Wonder Woman get downed by a surprise shot from Iron Man, whereas a lot of other high tiers have tanked a similar attack.

Wonder Man: https://imgur.com/a/xKCrITg

Iron Man: https://imgur.com/a/3BNYasU

Iron man was upgraded by a mother box given by Metron.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, they don't.

Death Metal had a bunch of people bullrushing the Earth and failing to destroy it. Superman, Wonder Woman, Kyle Rayner, Martian Manhunter, Power Girl and Marvel Family combined needed to team up just to move the moon.

A bunch of kryptonians failed to stop Callisto.

Superman, Wonder Woman, and Kyle needed to work together to move the moon while visibly struggling and all of DC's magicians had to work together just to nullify lunar gravity and much, much more.

A rookie Kyle.

What does being a rookie have to do with Kyle losing very quickly? Has his durability or power increased since then? 2 years prior he had casually tanked Oa's destruction.

And it wasn't quick, they were fighting for awhile.

They fought for two pages... and Surfer beat him with 3 attacks.

Too bad he did from Parallax. Surfer isn't anything compared to that.

Too bad he needed Surfer's help, so he literally is comparable considering he contained the energy lol.

Juggernaut got oneshotted by GL energy and a gun design created by Tony.

Juggernaut's not in this battle.

Iron man was upgraded by a mother box given by Metron.

Only Iron Man's sensors and range was, not his power.

Originally posted by Test123
Death Metal had a bunch of people bullrushing the Earth and failing to destroy it. Superman, Wonder Woman, Kyle Rayner, Martian Manhunter, Power Girl and Marvel Family combined needed to team up just to move the moon.

Thor, Vision, Wonder Man and Iron man struggled to move a condensed island.

Beta Ray Bill, Hercules, Vision and She Hulk struggled to move a small stone gate.

Hyperion, Ikaris, Quasar, Adam Warlock and dozen more heroes barely stopped a moon moving rocket.

A bunch of kryptonians failed to stop Callisto.

Because of Kryptonian Sunstone making a shield which couldn't be breached.

Jane Thor, Hercules, Cho Hulk, Vision etc couldn't stop a 100 meter wide asteroid.

Superman, Wonder Woman, and Kyle needed to work together to move the moon while visibly struggling and all of DC's magicians had to work together just to nullify lunar gravity and much, much more.

Silver Surfer, Quasar and Beta Ray Bill couldn't stop an asteroid the size of the Rhode Island.

Dr Strange and all of marvel mystics couldn't stop Earth from slowing down.

How many more examples do you need? I can do this all day.

What does being a rookie have to do with Kyle losing very quickly? Has his durability or power increased since then?

Yes. He couldn't contain the residual power of Oa in the crossover. Later he contained entire power of Oa as Ion. Just like Hal Jordan did as Parallax.

2 years prior he had casually tanked Oa's destruction.

And?

They fought for two pages... and Surfer beat him with 3 attacks.

Kalibak oneshotted him. Kalibak>>Surfer, I agree.

Too bad he needed Surfer's help, so he literally is comparable considering he contained the energy lol.

Because he was a rookie. He contained entire power of Oa as Ion when he was experienced. Just like Hal Jordan did.

Surfer struggling to contain the residual power of Oa shows he is beneath experienced Lanterns.

Juggernaut's not in this battle.

Guess Juggernaut isn't a marvel top tier?

Only Iron Man's sensors and range was, not his power.

Mother box upgrades everything. It's called an amp.

Originally posted by abhilegend
A green Lantern's hand is turning green? You don't say lol.

Green Lantern Corps 16, knock yourself out.

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Originally posted by Test123
Death Metal had a bunch of people bullrushing the Earth and failing to destroy it. Superman, Wonder Woman, Kyle Rayner, Martian Manhunter, Power Girl and Marvel Family combined needed to team up just to move the moon.

A bunch of kryptonians failed to stop Callisto.

Superman, Wonder Woman, and Kyle needed to work together to move the moon while visibly struggling and all of DC's magicians had to work together just to nullify lunar gravity and much, much more.

What does being a rookie have to do with Kyle losing very quickly? Has his durability or power increased since then? 2 years prior he had casually tanked Oa's destruction.

They fought for two pages... and Surfer beat him with 3 attacks.

Too bad he needed Surfer's help, so he literally is comparable considering he contained the energy lol.

Juggernaut's not in this battle.

Only Iron Man's sensors and range was, not his power.

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Originally posted by abhilegend

Beta Ray Bill, Hercules, Vision and She Hulk struggled to move a small stone gate.

Hyperion, Ikaris, Quasar, Adam Warlock and dozen more heroes barely stopped a moon moving rocket.

This just agrees with my point, high tiers struggling with moving things happens in both Marvel and DC, a lot.

[QUOTE]Because of Kryptonian Sunstone making a shield which couldn't be breached.

And? That should be no problem for a planetary character, assisted with many others to stop. Even after it was slowed down by Thanagarians, they had to bring in even more Kryptonians to slow it down.

Jane Thor, Hercules, Cho Hulk, Vision etc couldn't stop a 100 meter wide asteroid.

This is just like I said before, both companies have these types of instances. Superman, Steel, Supergirl and Superboy struggled to stop a spaceship, and Superman briefly collapsed from the effort.

Silver Surfer, Quasar and Beta Ray Bill couldn't stop an asteroid the size of the Rhode Island.

Dr Strange and all of marvel mystics couldn't stop Earth from slowing down.

How many more examples do you need? I can do this all day.

Superman needed help from two lanterns to move the moon, admitted he doesn't have the power to move planets, or destroy one. Struggles to stop planes, get's KO'ed by nukes. I can also do this all day, you're just adding to my point.

Yes. He couldn't contain the residual power of Oa in the crossover. Later he contained entire power of Oa as Ion. Just like Hal Jordan did as Parallax.

Parallax Hal also asked for Surfer's power there to help fight Thanos.

And what bearing does that have on his durability? Did he get an actual amp or power increase, was this ever stated? By this logic Surfer also got more experienced because in the past he struggled to stop a volcanic eruption, but later on managed to stop the eruption of every volcano on Earth at once

And?

And even despite being a "rookie" (which you haven't shown a power or durability increase for) he could still tank planet busting tanks without much issue, and was taken out in a clash with Surfer.

Kalibak oneshotted him. Kalibak>>Surfer, I agree.

Kyle also KO'ed Kalibak, so is he >> Kalibak? Either way Surfer would > Kyle since he actually beat him in a fight.

Because he was a rookie. He contained entire power of Oa as Ion when he was experienced. Just like Hal Jordan did.

Surfer struggling to contain the residual power of Oa shows he is beneath experienced Lanterns.

By this logic Surfer was less experienced at that time as well, since he's outperformed his older feats.

Guess Juggernaut isn't a marvel top tier?

He's a pretty big jobber, gets taken out by cement trucks and bees.

Mother box upgrades everything. It's called an amp.

Iron Man specifically noted what was upgraded, his power was not mentioned. Also gonna need a source on Motherbox amping "everything" including someone's power, Iron Man points out everything that was changed, and if his power had increased he would've noticed.

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Originally posted by carver9
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And what does that has to do with anything?

Originally posted by Test123
This just agrees with my point, high tiers struggling with moving things happens in both Marvel and DC, a lot.

DC high tiers struggle with planets, Marvel high tiers struggle with islands.

Gee, both are the same?


And? That should be no problem for a planetary character, assisted with many others to stop. Even after it was slowed down by Thanagarians, they had to bring in even more Kryptonians to slow it down.

Kryptonian technology is superior I guess.

Yeah, a moon moving at relativistic speed was slowed by Kryptonians. Very bad showing compared to the 100 meter large asteroid unable to be stopped by a hulk, a Thor and Hercules.

This is just like I said before, both companies have these types of instances. Superman, Steel, Supergirl and Superboy struggled to stop a spaceship, and Superman briefly collapsed from the effort.

A spaceship that contained an infinite universe within?

You simply don't understand, marvel high tiers have lower lows than DC high tiers. I can bring so many low showings, Thor and Silver Surfer might as well be street tiers by those.

You can't win here.

Superman needed help from two lanterns to move the moon
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Silver Surfer needed Unipower and Gladiator's help to stop a small spaceship.

admitted he doesn't have the power to move planets, or destroy one.

Surfer exhausted himself plugging a few volcanoes.

Struggles to stop planes,

Thor couldn't break steel chains. Surfer couldn't break a wall.

get's KO'ed by nukes.

Thor got koed by a bullet. Surfer got koed by a brick to the head. Quasar got koed by his weight increased tenfold. Hulk got koed by a truck falling on his head. Juggernaut got koed by a bazooka.

Like I said, marvel high tiers simply have far lower lows.

I can also do this all day, you're just adding to my point.

Yes, Superman got koed by a nuke one time. Thor got his skull cracked by a ship mast falling on his head.

Both must be equal, eh?

Parallax Hal also asked for Surfer's power there to help fight Thanos.

Depowered Parallax.

And what bearing does that have on his durability? Did he get an actual amp or power increase, was this ever stated?

Yes, Hal straight up said he's more powerful than previously now.

By this logic Surfer also got more experienced because in the past he struggled to stop a volcanic eruption, but later on managed to stop the eruption of every volcano on Earth at once

Yes, he's finally planetary level (he almost killed himself) just like Jessica Cruz who held an entire planet together.

Like I said, Surfer is rookie Lantern level at best.

And even despite being a "rookie" (which you haven't shown a power or durability increase for) he could still tank planet busting tanks without much issue, and was taken out in a clash with Surfer.

And? I have no issue saying Surfer could beat a rookie Lantern.

Kyle also KO'ed Kalibak, so is he >> Kalibak?

After he was softened by Donna Troy.

Either way Surfer would > Kyle since he actually beat him in a fight.

Iron man is equal to Surfer then because he fought Surfer to double KO, twice?

By this logic Surfer was less experienced at that time as well, since he's outperformed his older feats.

Surfer was already thousands of years old at that point, how was he less experienced?

He's a pretty big jobber, gets taken out by cement trucks and bees.

Still hits harder than Thor even when he was depowered.

Iron Man specifically noted what was upgraded, his power was not mentioned. Also gonna need a source on Motherbox amping "everything" including someone's power, Iron Man points out everything that was changed, and if his power had increased he would've noticed.

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Of course.

A single mother box upgraded Oracle's normal computer and gave her digital telepathy.

Originally posted by carver9
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor vs Kang's hulk robot. Thor gets trapped by a tiny ass wall till he reverts into Don Blake lol

Originally posted by abhilegend

DC high tiers struggle with planets, Marvel high tiers struggle with islands.

Gee, both are the same?

DC high tiers struggle with buildings, planes, farm silos, a steamroller, trains, buildings.

[QUOTE] Kryptonian technology is superior I guess.

Yeah, a moon moving at relativistic speed was slowed by Kryptonians. Very bad showing compared to the 100 meter large asteroid unable to be stopped by a hulk, a Thor and Hercules.

It was slowed by the Thangarians first, to the point where it wasn't even at relativistic speed, and even then they had to bring in more Kryptonians.

A spaceship that contained an infinite universe within?

What does that have to do with the feat? They had to slow it to the point where the impact would only affect North America, and they still struggled and Superman briefly passed out trying to stop a continental level object.

They then struggled to stop a tidal wave where Superboy had to push his TTK higher than ever and Steel had to push himself as well, and they also needed Supergirl to stop a wave.

You simply don't understand, marvel high tiers have lower lows than DC high tiers. I can bring so many low showings, Thor and Silver Surfer might as well be street tiers by those.

You can't win here.

DC high tiers have those types of low showings as well.

Silver Surfer needed Unipower and Gladiator's help to stop a small spaceship.

Superman struggled to stop a plane.

Surfer exhausted himself plugging a few volcanoes.

He then sealed every volcano on Earth later on, meaning he became more experienced.

Thor couldn't break steel chains. Surfer couldn't break a wall.

Wonder Woman got pinned by a tree trunk, Superman got ran over by a steamroller.

Thor got koed by a bullet. Surfer got koed by a brick to the head. Quasar got koed by his weight increased tenfold. Hulk got koed by a truck falling on his head. Juggernaut got koed by a bazooka.

Superman got KO'ed by being tripped, Hal Jordan knocks himself out hitting an airplane seat, Orion got KO'ed by a soldier.

Like I said, marvel high tiers simply have far lower lows.

Not really, they're about the same, although getting KO'ed by slipping is pretty bad, arguably lowest on the list.

Yes, Superman got koed by a nuke one time. Thor got his skull cracked by a ship mast falling on his head.

Both must be equal, eh?

Superman got KO'ed by nukes multiple times, and got knocked out by a fall. I mean does that mean Superman's weaker than a ship mast? He wasn't able to break any of Thor's bones in their fight?

Depowered Parallax.

That means most of the power he used to fight agaisnt Oa amped Thanos came from Surfer. Hal even said he can remake the universe like in ZH using Surfer's power.

Yes, Hal straight up said he's more powerful than previously now.

I'm asking about Kyle, not Hal.

Yes, he's finally planetary level (he almost killed himself) just like Jessica Cruz who held an entire planet together.

Like I said, Surfer is rookie Lantern level at best.

It means he's gotten more experienced with his powers, like before he struggled to drain the sun's energy, later on he was able to drain Sakaar's energy, enough to feed Galactus for 100K years, entire starts weren't enough to feed Galactus at the time.

And? I have no issue saying Surfer could beat a rookie Lantern.

By this logic Surfer was a rookie with his powers as well, since he outperformed his previous self. And why would Hal need Surfer's power to go toe-to-toe with massively amped Thanos? That would put Surfer above rookie Lanterns since they don't carry that much power.

After he was softened by Donna Troy.

So Kalibak > Surfer > Kyle?

Kalibak was also giving Thor a tough time and was compared to Hulk and was about to defeat Thor until MMH stepped in to help, he's actually treated well in crossovers.

Iron man is equal to Surfer then because he fought Surfer to double KO, twice?

Iron Man had to use draining, he wasn't equal in power.

Surfer was already thousands of years old at that point, how was he less experienced?

Because he's gotten better using draining and repairing things, when in the past he struggled more with it.

Still hits harder than Thor even when he was depowered.

Unworthy Thor knocked the teeth out of an amped Juggernaut, seems like his durability is still lacking

A single mother box upgraded Oracle's normal computer and gave her digital telepathy.

What does upgrading her tech have to do with power? I asked if it can increase someone's power, like Iron Man's repulsors, but it didn't, Tony never said it did, only his sensors and range.

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Another example

Originally posted by Galan007
Mother Box amps Superman in preparation of his battle with Doomsday:

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And yes, Mother Box amped ALL of Superman's abilities:


"Fortunately this Hunter suit is not only equipped with many powerful devices--but its booster units also ENHANCE my own natural abilities!"

Originally posted by Test123
DC high tiers struggle with buildings, planes, farm silos, a steamroller, trains, buildings.

No, they don't.

It was slowed by the Thangarians first, to the point where it wasn't even at relativistic speed, and even then they had to bring in more Kryptonians.

Yes, still more impressive than Avengers+Champions unable to stop a 100 meter wide asteroid.

What does that have to do with the feat?

You think the universe was entirely weightless?

They had to slow it to the point where the impact would only affect North America, and they still struggled and Superman briefly passed out trying to stop a continental level object.

They stopped a planet killer. Silver Surfer was knocked out by simply deflecting a small spaceship which was only city level.

They then struggled to stop a tidal wave where Superboy had to push his TTK higher than ever and Steel had to push himself as well, and they also needed Supergirl to stop a wave.

Like Odinforce Thor and Beta Ray Bill needed to stop a tidal wave.

DC high tiers have those types of low showings as well.

Name a dc high tier koed by a brick to the head? Or a cement truck?

Superman struggled to stop a plane.

So did Thor and Gladiator combined.

He then sealed every volcano on Earth later on, meaning he became more experienced.

That's what I said, he's almost at Jessica Cruz's level.

Wonder Woman got pinned by a tree trunk,

Thor got restrained by a normal javelin.

Superman got ran over by a steamroller.

From behind and was completely unaffected. Thor was pinned for sixty seconds by a bunch of cars.

Superman got KO'ed by being tripped, Hal Jordan knocks himself out hitting an airplane seat, Orion got KO'ed by a soldier.

I'd like to see the scans of these because none of these things happened without context.

Not really, they're about the same, although getting KO'ed by slipping is pretty bad, arguably lowest on the list.

Do show me the scans first.

Superman got KO'ed by nukes multiple times

In the Byrne era when he was weaker and once in Tangent universe crossover.

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and got knocked out by a fall.

Hit by Silver Banshee you mean. Thor was koed by a small stone dropped off on his head.

I mean does that mean Superman's weaker than a ship mast? He wasn't able to break any of Thor's bones in their fight?

He was massively holding back, not accidentally killing Thor obviously.

That means most of the power he used to fight agaisnt Oa amped Thanos came from Surfer. Hal even said he can remake the universe like in ZH using Surfer's power.

Kyle drained that power forcibly. Kyle>Surfer>Thanos>Universal power.

Good to know.

I'm asking about Kyle, not Hal.

All Lanterns grow stronger with experience. That's why rookie Lanterns aren't that impressive.

It means he's gotten more experienced with his powers, like before he struggled to drain the sun's energy, later on he was able to drain Sakaar's energy, enough to feed Galactus for 100K years, entire starts weren't enough to feed Galactus at the time.

That's because Galactus' nature makes planets more suitable to eat. Not that Sakaar had more power than stars.

In fact a small part of Sun's energy outperformed Galactus against mad celestials.

By this logic Surfer was a rookie with his powers as well, since he outperformed his previous self. And why would Hal need Surfer's power to go toe-to-toe with massively amped Thanos? That would put Surfer above rookie Lanterns since they don't carry that much power.

And Kyle defeated amped Parallax by forcibly draining him. Kyle as a rookie Lantern>amped Thanos and amped Parallax>normal Thanos>Normal Surfer.

So Kalibak > Surfer > Kyle?

Kalibak>Thor (smacked him around in Unlimited Access ) >=Surfer.

Kalibak was also giving Thor a tough time and was compared to Hulk and was about to defeat Thor until MMH stepped in to help, he's actually treated well in crossovers.

Good thing Superman oneshots him nowadays. And Captain Marvel at 1/3 power overpowered Kalibak.

Captain Marvel=Black Adam>Kalibak>Thor/Surfer.

Iron Man had to use draining, he wasn't equal in power.

He double koed Surfer colliding with him in Sub Mariner 34.

Because he's gotten better using draining and repairing things, when in the past he struggled more with it.

He still almost dies in a black hole, just like he almost died back in 80s and 90s.

Not too much experience I guess.

Unworthy Thor knocked the teeth out of an amped Juggernaut, seems like his durability is still lacking

Oneshotting >knocking teeth out.

What does upgrading her tech have to do with power? I asked if it can increase someone's power, like Iron Man's repulsors, but it didn't, Tony never said it did, only his sensors and range.

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Posted that as well.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, they don't.

They do, Superman got hurt crashing into a farm silo.

Yes, still more impressive than Avengers+Champions unable to stop a 100 meter wide asteroid.

Superman along side more than a dozen kryptonians couldn't stop a small moon already slowed down, and he himself couldn't stop a big turtle.

[QUOTE] think the universe was entirely weightless?

You think they're halting the mass of the universe? The force behind it was life wiping the planet, it then got slowed down to continental levels and caused Superman to pass out from the effort.

They stopped a planet killer. Silver Surfer was knocked out by simply deflecting a small spaceship which was only city level.

More impressive than failing to stop a megaton impact.

Like Odinforce Thor and Beta Ray Bill needed to stop a tidal wave.

OF Thor and BRB didn't need to push their limits in order to do it.

Name a dc high tier koed by a brick to the head? Or a cement truck?

They've gotten KO'ed by worse, like tripping over.

So did Thor and Gladiator combined.

Superman struggled to stop the Daily Planet Globe.

That's what I said, he's almost at Jessica Cruz's level.

He's above Kyle Rayner level.

Thor got restrained by a normal javelin.

Wonder Woman scales below this considering when she lifted Mjolnir she gained more power than she ever had as WW. Also source for this javelin scan?

From behind and was completely unaffected. Thor was pinned for sixty seconds by a bunch of cars.

He was literally knocked over by it, and Superman was unable to stop a two ton block, a lot less heavier than a bunch of cars.

I'd like to see the scans of these because none of these things happened without context.

Do show me the scans first.

Superman trips and gets KO'ed: https://imgur.com/a/2qawSF7

Hal Jordan KO'ed by an airplane seat: https://i.imgur.com/sybgR.png

In the Byrne era when he was weaker and once in Tangent universe crossover.

Superman's equal Antaeus died to a nuclear meltdown, and him and Mongul got KO'd by one as well, way after the Byrne era.

Hit by Silver Banshee you mean. Thor was koed by a small stone dropped off on his head.

No he was pushed out the window, not hit, and was conscious until he hit the ground.

He was massively holding back, not accidentally killing Thor obviously.

Never stated to be massively holding back, this is just headcanon, by his own admission he barely beat Thor.

Kyle drained that power forcibly. Kyle>Surfer>Thanos>Universal power.

Good to know.

Kyle being greater than Surfer doesn't work when he got taken out in 3 attacks, and failed to contain the energy Surfer contained. A Surfer who was worse at draining at the time > Kyle Rayner.

All Lanterns grow stronger with experience. That's why rookie Lanterns aren't that impressive.

Gonna need a source for that, and by that logic Surfer's only gotten more experienced at draining.

That's because Galactus' nature makes planets more suitable to eat. Not that Sakaar had more power than stars.

In fact a small part of Sun's energy outperformed Galactus against mad celestials.

Galactus was literally feeding on stars and still hungry, Sakaar's power was far more than that.

And Kyle defeated amped Parallax by forcibly draining him. Kyle as a rookie Lantern>amped Thanos and amped Parallax>normal Thanos>Normal Surfer.

Surfer literally gave Parallax Hal enough power to fight Thanos, same Thanos that stomped Terrax (who was cleaving Kyle's constructs) and knocked down Kyle with a small rock to the head.

Kalibak>Thor (smacked him around in Unlimited Access ) >=Surfer.

And Kyle would be at the bottom

Good thing Superman oneshots him nowadays. And Captain Marvel at 1/3 power overpowered Kalibak.

Captain Marvel=Black Adam>Kalibak>Thor/Surfer.

Wow so Kyle scales below all these guys?

He double koed Surfer colliding with him in Sub Mariner 34.

Surfer tanked those replusor rays better than Kyle and WW did.

He still almost dies in a black hole, just like he almost died back in 80s and 90s.

Not too much experience I guess.

He literally drained far more energy than he had previously done, and outperformed his previous feats.

Oneshotting >knocking teeth out.

Losing to Unworthy Thor while amped is pretty bad.

As for you motherbox scans, it literally says Superman had a suit created specifcally for him, and the "booster units" enhanced his strength, Iron Man uses repulsor blasts and the motherbox didn't create anything for him, merely improved his sensors and range. So yeah still not seeing any proof his power was amped.

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Superman was pretending to be koed in that trip scene IIRC

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Originally posted by Test123
[B]Superman along side more than a dozen kryptonians couldn't stop a small moon already slowed down, and he himself couldn't stop a big turtle.

Callisto isn't a small moon.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callisto_(moon)

Even if you reduce it by a thousand, it is still bigger than 100 meter big asteroid.

Megaton is still better than Beta Ray Bill's durability.

You think they're halting the mass of the universe?

Yes, why not.

The force behind it was life wiping the planet, it then got slowed down to continental levels and caused Superman to pass out from the effort.

Good for confirmation that an infinite universe falling on Earth can't destroy it. DC Earth is really durable.

More impressive than failing to stop a megaton impact.

Surfer got koed by far less than a megaton lol.

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30 tons of rock is enough for him.

OF Thor and BRB didn't need to push their limits in order to do it.

Congrats, OF Thor is more powerful than Superboy.

They've gotten KO'ed by worse, like tripping over.

No, they didn't.

Superman struggled to stop the Daily Planet Globe.

Good thing he's continously getting stronger then.


He's above Kyle Rayner level.

Considering Kyle defeated Parallax infused with Surfer's power, he's not.

Wonder Woman scales below this considering when she lifted Mjolnir she gained more power than she ever had as WW.

Wonder Woman has been upgraded since then.

Also source for this javelin scan?

https://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/Spire84/11.jpg

He was literally knocked over by it, and Superman was unable to stop a two ton block, a lot less heavier than a bunch of cars.

Superman getting knocked over from behind means what exactly? He wasn't bracing.

Thor couldn't lift a tractor at half strength.

https://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/Spire84/10.jpg

Superman trips and gets KO'ed: https://imgur.com/a/2qawSF7

Hal Jordan KO'ed by an airplane seat: https://i.imgur.com/sybgR.png

Pre-crisis out of context scans, really?

Superman's equal Antaeus died to a nuclear meltdown,

Surfer's equal clone died by slamming into a mountain's side, literally didn't even dented the mountain.

and him and Mongul got KO'd by one as well, way after the Byrne era.

Where?

No he was pushed out the window, not hit, and was conscious until he hit the ground.

He was hit by her as well. Thor said he'd die falling from a building and Hercules would die falling from a small building too.

Never stated to be massively holding back, this is just headcanon, by his own admission he barely beat Thor.

Superman under the same writer (Busiek) stated that he had no idea about his limits and didn't even know he had that much power.

Kyle being greater than Surfer doesn't work when he got taken out in 3 attacks, and failed to contain the energy Surfer contained. A Surfer who was worse at draining at the time > Kyle Rayner.

Kyle drained and defeated Parallax who was equal to a massively amped Thanos. He also contained entire power of Oa later.

Experienced Kyle>Rookie Kyle >Thanos >Surfer.


Gonna need a source for that, and by that logic Surfer's only gotten more experienced at draining.

Gonna need a source on that.

Galactus was literally feeding on stars and still hungry, Sakaar's power was far more than that.

Scans?

Surfer literally gave Parallax Hal enough power to fight Thanos, same Thanos that stomped Terrax (who was cleaving Kyle's constructs) and knocked down Kyle with a small rock to the head.

And Kyle drained and defeated the same amped Thanos AND Parallax together.

And Kyle would be at the bottom

Surfer would be on the rock bottom then.

Wow so Kyle scales below all these guys?

Still above Thor and Surfer.

Surfer tanked those replusor rays better than Kyle and WW did.

Iron man didn't have mother box to amp himself.

He literally drained far more energy than he had previously done, and outperformed his previous feats.

He didn't.

Losing to Unworthy Thor while amped is pretty bad.

He didn't. Thor escaped after breaking all his hammers on Juggernaut.

As for you motherbox scans, it literally says Superman had a suit created specifcally for him, and the "booster units" enhanced his strength, Iron Man uses repulsor blasts and the motherbox didn't create anything for him, merely improved his sensors and range. So yeah still not seeing any proof his power was amped.

He was. Mother box was upgrading all his systems, that's what it does.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Superman was pretending to be koed in that trip scene IIRC

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Shh, let the comicvine troll do some trolling. I haven't destroyed a marvel fanboy for some time.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I haven't destroyed a marvel fanboy for some time.

Have you ever?

Test123 posts showings in the 2000's backing his claims while ABHI posts showings from 1970 to back his claims, lol.

Originally posted by carver9
Test123 posts showings in the 2000's backing his claims while ABHI posts showings from 1970 to back his claims, lol.

Why would that matter?

Edit: 😂

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why would the age matter?
😖hifty:

mhmm