Cin vs. Maul

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Wooooooah...Glentract...you should better READ before using arguments.

a)
Qui-Gon was the first and [b]only Jedi that was ever killed by Maul. Both Jedi (a Master and a Padawan) killed themselves to stop Maul. The master blew a speeder-bike up with his lightsaber and Maul was nearly killed and the Padawan also blew something up with her lightsaber and again Maul was nearly killed.

I won't argue that he could have killed them both but that doesn't really matter since we don't know how good they were with a lightsaber. Only thing I know is that the Padawan got defeated by pre-TPM Obi-Wan in serveral practice fights. So if the Padawan is weaker than the Padawan of Qui-Gon you MAY assume that the Master of the Padawan was also weaker than Qui-Gon.

b)
Where you got the idea from that Maul did fight with injured leg ? It might have been injured on Tatooine but may I remind you that the Jedi did fly from Tatooine to Coruscant, followed by the events there and then did fly back to Naboo before facing Maul. Having Bacta everywhere that can heal injuries within hours while people with real bad injuries will recover within days (see Luke in ESB) it would be very unusual that Maul will face Jedi without healing that injury before.

And if a Tusken can hurt Maul he's even weaker than I thought if you keep in mind that AotC Anakin was able to waste an entire camp of them on his own.

c)
Cin Drallig being killed by one blow from Anakin ? Nope. We see how the fight starts in the holovid recording (and this is Anakin vs Drallig) and we still hear that there is a lightsaber fight going on until you can see Anakin on his knees in front of Sidious. So...we can't really tell how Cin Drallig died and how long the fight did take. Anakin could have killed him in seconds or it could have taken two hours. Sidious could have toasted Drallig from behind and he could even have been shot by Clone Troopers. Even the book only tells us that he was killed by a lightsaber (so Anakin finally killed him) but we don't know the circumstances and we don't know how many time Anakin did need to do it.

Now Dooku himself thought of Cin Drallig in one league with Mace, Yoda and himself (when he thinks of people that would be able to defeat Grievous in a lightsaber fight) and that is a league Maul didn't even come close to. So Cin Drallig would win a fight against Maul - without a doubt. [/B]

-First off you are right Maul never actually killed either of them. But to me Master Bondara appeared superior to Qui-Gon. As for Assant and Kenobi until we know how long it was between those practice duels and TPM we can only assume.

-Secondly Maul's leg didn't really affect him in that fight mainly because he has grown to ignore pain (Read Shadow Hunter). And Maul was injured by Tuskens because he was ambushed. In the AOTC situation it was Anakin who had ambushed the Tuskens.

-And finally I agree with you totally on Drallig vs. Anakin. But what gets me is that he was one of four not three who could kill Grievous convenient how you left out Obi-Wan. So there are doubts as to if Drallig can defeat Maul.

Originally posted by Lord Simus
-Secondly Maul's leg didn't really affect him in that fight mainly because he has grown to ignore pain (Read Shadow Hunter). And Maul was injured by Tuskens because he was ambushed. In the AOTC situation it was Anakin who had ambushed the Tuskens.

Oh great. That is a bad excuse for Maul getting injured and nothing more. If he was the good force user and swordfighter people here think he is that shouldn't have happened. No matter what the situation was.

-And finally I agree with you totally on Drallig vs. Anakin. But what gets me is that he was one of four not three who could kill Grievous convenient how you left out Obi-Wan. So there are doubts as to if Drallig can defeat Maul.

TPM Obi-Wan was on par with Maul and Dooku is thinking about AotC or ROTS Obi-Wan. So Drallig will waste Maul - without doubts.

TPM Obi is not on par with Maul! that would require him to be stronger than Qui-Gon which we all know isn't true. Oh and if you want to bring up Dooku cmplementing Drallig he also complemented Maul calling him a deadly animal.

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Originally posted by Lord Simus
TPM Obi is not on par with Maul! that would require him to be stronger than Qui-Gon which we all know isn't true. Oh and if you want to bring up Dooku cmplementing Drallig he also complemented Maul calling him a deadly animal.

Deadly animal - think about it.

What is there to think about? Deadly animal means capable of killing, survival and comat instincts. Earning Dooku's respect takes a lot.

Yeah, but it doesn't make him better than Cin Drallig, of course. Maul was arrogant and full of rage. Sidious himself even admitted to messing up when training the young Sith.

He admitted to making him two focused on one killing Jedi. He should have killed Amidala and then battled the Jedi. Although I agree with Maul winning, I will say for that argument about Maul having Dooku's respect, Cin had it also, so that doesn't really matter.

So what exactly is the argument saying that Maul can beat Cin?

actually Nai, correct me if I am wrong (it has been a while since I read the book), but I am pretty sure that Darsha was better than Obi-Wan and beat him in their duels. She was on her trials during the book and Obi-Wan was only made a knight at the end of TPM. Also, Maul did win both of those fights in Shadow Hunter, yes they did sacrifice themselves, but that was just because they had already lost and were trying to kill him with them. He also baet both of them quite easily, and Anoon Bondara was considered to be a powerful master.

Originally posted by Lord Darkstar
actually Nai, correct me if I am wrong (it has been a while since I read the book), but I am pretty sure that Darsha was better than Obi-Wan and beat him in their duels. She was on her trials during the book and Obi-Wan was only made a knight at the end of TPM. Also, Maul did win both of those fights in Shadow Hunter, yes they did sacrifice themselves, but that was just because they had already lost and were trying to kill him with them. He also baet both of them quite easily, and Anoon Bondara was considered to be a powerful master.

The book statest that their duels where hard but Obi-Wan came out as a victor. She was on her trials during the book, yes but that hardly made her the better swordfighter. In the book you can see that 6 people of a streetgang are nearly enough to kill her where Obi-Wan later manages to defeat 3 people without killing one of them (which was a test to find out if he was a real Jedi). So I think Obi-Wan is in fact better than Darsha. Why would the Council / Qui-Gon send him to investigate Darshas disappearing when not thinking that he's better than her ?

And yes...Maul did "win" the fights but he hardly managed to stay alive. And if a Padawan and one of the "lesser" masters were able to surprise him (and later he was killed by a Padawan that suprised him) I'm sure someone on Council level that is in one league with Yoda, Mace and Obi-Wan in lightsaber duelling will kick his ass quite badly.
Keep in mind that Obi-Wan DID destroy his lightsaber and DID put him on his ass in a "fair" fight. What do you think would somebody like Yoda, Mace or Dooku would do (who's skill is on one level with Drallig's) ?

Oh my god!! This thread is getting out of hand!!
*jumps on the thread and tries to keep hold of it*

(sorry, I just couldn't read the huge messages.. ignore this post)

Originally posted by Eminence
Just type in 'Cin Drallig'. Not too hard.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=352160&highlight=Cin+Drallig

And yes, I firmly believe that Maul would be wasted by Cin Drallig. Like it or not, he was matched blow for blow by a Padawan Obi-Wan Kenobi. Cin Drallig would give ROTS Obi-Wan a run for his money.

Originally posted by Eminence
Drallig would utterly waste Darth Maul. . .

And this has been done before.

Originally posted by Nai
Wooooooah...Glentract...you should better READ before using arguments.

a)
Qui-Gon was the first and [b]only Jedi that was ever killed by Maul. Both Jedi (a Master and a Padawan) killed themselves to stop Maul. The master blew a speeder-bike up with his lightsaber and Maul was nearly killed and the Padawan also blew something up with her lightsaber and again Maul was nearly killed.

I won't argue that he could have killed them both but that doesn't really matter since we don't know how good they were with a lightsaber. Only thing I know is that the Padawan got defeated by pre-TPM Obi-Wan in serveral practice fights. So if the Padawan is weaker than the Padawan of Qui-Gon you MAY assume that the Master of the Padawan was also weaker than Qui-Gon.

b)
Where you got the idea from that Maul did fight with injured leg ? It might have been injured on Tatooine but may I remind you that the Jedi did fly from Tatooine to Coruscant, followed by the events there and then did fly back to Naboo before facing Maul. Having Bacta everywhere that can heal injuries within hours while people with real bad injuries will recover within days (see Luke in ESB) it would be very unusual that Maul will face Jedi without healing that injury before.

And if a Tusken can hurt Maul he's even weaker than I thought if you keep in mind that AotC Anakin was able to waste an entire camp of them on his own.

c)
Cin Drallig being killed by one blow from Anakin ? Nope. We see how the fight starts in the holovid recording (and this is Anakin vs Drallig) and we still hear that there is a lightsaber fight going on until you can see Anakin on his knees in front of Sidious. So...we can't really tell how Cin Drallig died and how long the fight did take. Anakin could have killed him in seconds or it could have taken two hours. Sidious could have toasted Drallig from behind and he could even have been shot by Clone Troopers. Even the book only tells us that he was killed by a lightsaber (so Anakin finally killed him) but we don't know the circumstances and we don't know how many time Anakin did need to do it.

Now Dooku himself thought of Cin Drallig in one league with Mace, Yoda and himself (when he thinks of people that would be able to defeat Grievous in a lightsaber fight) and that is a league Maul didn't even come close to. So Cin Drallig would win a fight against Maul - without a doubt. [/B]

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Originally posted by Se7in
Cin would waste Maul.

Maul, 10/10, and people from 2005 were dumber than me 😛