Superman vs Thor (with a twist)

Originally posted by Rhinoceros
Isn't that incorrect? The belt and the gauntlets don't amp magic powers, they amp his strength. His physical strength would be doubled, not his magical abilities - Unless I'm mistaken.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
prob is Supe got [b]superspeed so hows Thor gonna go near him? [/B]

as someone else noted, Thor also has superspeed. writers rarely make use of it though.

Classic Thor could fly, throw, and swing mjolnir at multiples of lightspeed. That kind of reaction time is easily enough to deal with PC superman.

Thor has amped strength but it's not really all that relevant here. PC supes was horribly weak to magic, and weak to red sunlight. Current Thor is absolutely FILTHY with ill-defined magical powers.

Kingdom Come superman got schooled with Captain Marvel's magic lightning. Thor's is arguably even more powerful. (quoted as being "hotter than the sun itself"😉

Thor doesn't even need to be anywhere NEAR superman to teleport him- Current Thor is skyfather level, or damn close. Odin teleported the entire population of earth at once, and even moved all of valhalla into the negative zone. Thor teleports the battlefield to one under (or in) a red star, it's over.

Hell, Thor could teleport himself to a red star, absorb massive amounts of red solar energy, then return and release it all in a massively amplified omnidirectional attack. Mjolnir is second in versatility only to a lantern ring in terms of the things it can do and has done.

and as for durability- Classic Thor took a direct hit from a celestial AFTER mjolnir was depowered (Odin had been killed) and it only made him angry. PC superman is not one shotting Thor.

Thor has the advantage here.

Thor doesn't have the durability to get hit by a punch, or a sneeze

Originally posted by Doom and Gloom
But nowhere did he move a galaxy. That's a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge difference from any of those feats

Well, no it doesn't say a galaxy although that is generally how people put it when they refer to it, moving a galaxy. What he is actually doing is moving a line of planets stretching back and back into space as far as we can see. Regardless of whether that's moving a galaxy or all the planets in the galaxy or just dozens of planets all at once, its so far beyond Thor as to be not worth even arguing about. Thor cannot take even one punch, even one tap, from PC Superman and PC Superman is overwhelmingly too fast for him to avoid that one hit that he cannot stand up to.

And, although somebody on the thread argued that not even Odin could one-shot classic Thor, that's true with sheer physical strength which wasn't remotely on PC Superman's level. I know from old Thor comics that Odin has demonstrated he could easily defeat Thor when he unleashed the Odinforce.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
hey they said the outcome of fight wuz in doubt cos Hulk grow stronger so sooner or later Supe would have lost fight if he didnt get Hulk 2 calm down

but any rate I agree pitting Thor against PRE CRISIS Supe is plane insane. FFS that version of Supe can sneeze out a SOLAR SYSTEM lol

Yes Supes did say that, given time, the Hulk could become strong enough to hurt him. But then Supes turns around and snags an object out of the air that the Hulk couldn't grab after countless tries because it was too fast. The Hulk doesn't get faster. Keep in mind, Superman never hit the Hulk back. The Hulk would never get strong enough before the fight was over but yes, theoretically, he could.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
Well, no it doesn't say a galaxy although that is generally how people put it when they refer to it, moving a galaxy. What he is actually doing is moving a line of planets stretching back and back into space as far as we can see. Regardless of whether that's moving a galaxy or all the planets in the galaxy or just dozens of planets all at once, its so far beyond Thor as to be not worth even arguing about. Thor cannot take even one punch, even one tap, from PC Superman and PC Superman is overwhelmingly too fast for him to avoid that one hit that he cannot stand up to.

Thor and Hercules were generating enough pressure in their arm-wrestling match to throw the planet out of its orbit. He's also lifted the Midgard Serpent, which is larger than the Earth itself. And Thor has moved a multiversal-sized (really, omniversal) object [World Engine] while dying.

His strength is being sorely underestimated. And its doubled here.

Originally posted by zeel
I completely agree with you here. Supermans durability isnt going to help him here. PROVIDED thor dont take this to a fist fight. Against current supes thor with his belt of strength would woops supes ass even with out his hammer. But PC supes this aint going to happen too. Now if thor fights smart which he dont alwasy do this, he should win a majority.

thor has a horrible track record of looseing to toons he shouldnt due to the fact that he goes to a fist fight right away when he should be using his hammer. Thor under the right conditions provided supes dont speed blitz which he never does should win for a majority.

Again, doubling Thor's strength is meaningless against PC Superman. The difference between Thor's normal and doubled strength means nothing compared to PCS's strength.

It has also been well established that a blunt attack isn't going to ignore Superman's durability just because the weapon is made of a magic material. If it was cutting damage it might be different but this whole 'Thor wins' argument requires giving Supes a type of magic weakness that doesn't exist in the comics or, at the least, doesn't reflect is high feats of durability.

I also see you're falling back on 'Thor will fight his tactically best fight even though he often does not but Superman will not fight his tactically best fight *because* he often does not.' 'Superman doesn't speed blitz every single time therefore he won't.'

So we have a guy that doesn't even register as one percent of the other guy's power and whose hammer, based on feats, won't have any effect, beating a guy a billion times more powerful based on both of their best days.

pc superman is stupid powerful...literally his feats are stupid and he doesn't belong in vs threads

pc superman basically has the powerset to do the impossible

Originally posted by Starscream M
pc superman is stupid powerful...literally his feats are stupid and he doesn't belong in vs threads

pc superman basically has the powerset to do the impossible

Is Superman allowed to throw planets at Thor?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Thor and Hercules were generating enough pressure in their arm-wrestling match to throw the planet out of its orbit. He's also lifted the Midgard Serpent, which is larger than the Earth itself. And Thor has moved a multiversal-sized (really, omniversal) object [World Engine] while dying.

His strength is being sorely underestimated. And its doubled here.

You may be right as I'm not up on more recent Thor feats. My biggest issue is this 'magic weakness' argument because Superman's weakness to magic was extremely inconsistent. There were times like when he shrugged off a blast of pure magical energy from an arch-devil.

I also know that Thor in his early days was shown to be very fast, blur speed or faster. But that's still not Superman level. I won't argue how fast he spins the hammer but that's not overall body and combat speed.

Also, as this is Odinforce/ Thorforce Thor it makes things a lot closer. I am not sure Superman can defeat someone with the Odinforce even destroying their body.

It may be pretty even after all. Thor does have loosely defined magical powers. But, at the same time, PC Superman has loosely defined powers that allow him to do about anything. He once used his telescopic vision to see through time. He beat Satannus (after shrugging off that bolt of pure magic force) by spinning or hitting him at exactly the right frequency to knock him back in time to a point where he would be trapped.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Thor and Hercules were generating enough pressure in their arm-wrestling match to throw the planet out of its orbit. He's also lifted the Midgard Serpent, which is larger than the Earth itself. And Thor has moved a multiversal-sized (really, omniversal) object [World Engine] while dying.

His strength is being sorely underestimated. And its doubled here.

Superman played catch with Krypto using the Moon.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Did Current Superman like pick up a Spectre which is infinite amount of weight. Didn't he also pick up a book with unlimited pages. He had help of both. Both feat are better then the one you spoke of.

Not to mention that PC Supes feats =\=

Originally posted by SupremeMan
You may be right as I'm not up on more recent Thor feats. My biggest issue is this 'magic weakness' argument because Superman's weakness to magic was extremely inconsistent. There were times like when he shrugged off a blast of pure magical energy from an arch-devil.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Both are also shared feats and don't count. In the first he was aided by Wonder Woman and Green Lantern. Second aided by Captain Marvel.

Not to mention that PC Supes feats =\=

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Your feats are shared, and Gl did not help pick up Spectre. Also, why is the PC Super feats =\=

One out of the three feats I listed were shared. And it can easily be inferred how much work Thor was doing in that scenario because Hercules and Thor were deadlocked and completely even in their contest. The other two he did solo.

Current Superman is not PC Superman. That's why.

(If TP comes in here saying otherwise...Quiet. I know about Braniac giving Current Supes his memories of his PC days already.)

Originally posted by Enyalus
One out of the three feats I listed were shared. And it can easily be inferred how much work Thor was doing in that scenario because Hercules and Thor were deadlocked and completely even in their contest. The other two he did solo.

Current Superman is not PC Superman. That's why.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
The TC stated that it's PC.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Also, those feats you posted were nice, but do you seriously think that they are anywhere near Pc Superman's?

Originally posted by Enyalus

I know. And the feats you listed (Spectre, Monitor Book) were not PC feats. See?

No one can compete with looney toons. I'm merely pointing out that if Thor hits him with his hammer, he's going to be hurting. Badly. [/B]

If Superman(pc) gets hit by the Hammer he just might get KOed, but I don't see him getting hit. All he needs is one hit. It doesn't have to be a good hit.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
PC Superman>>>Current Superman See?

Superboy Prime >>> Current Superman. Has Prime lifted an infinite amount of weight? No? Oh, then Current must be stronger, right?

See? PC isn't Current. You can't use current feats for PC, just like you can't use PC feats for current. Shit don't work that way.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
If Superman(pc) gets hit by the Hammer he just might get KOed, but I don't see him getting hit. All he needs is one hit. It doesn't have to be a good hit.

Thor's not being one-shotted. I'm betting on Supes not blitzing off the bat, because that's not in his character to do so. Especially against another hero. One he only has basic knowledge of.

But yeah, if he did blitz, Thor can't touch him and Supes wins. CIS on, Supes loses.