Traya and Windu versus Sidious and Tyranus

What? She was weak? She almost exterminated the Jedi Order with a wave of her hand. Traya was way strong, I'd reckon stronger than Palpatine.

Originally posted by Darth Traya
Traya or Kreia was the most pathetic Sith I have ever seen. She was a Sith in name only. She wasn't a Sith, nor a Jedi.

That is what makes her strong.

I have to agree here, for somebody on the Dark Side she didn't seem like a Sith or Dark Jedi at all. Although her goal was more cruel then that of most others.

Originally posted by Se7in
What? She was weak? She almost exterminated the Jedi Order with a wave of her hand. Traya was way strong, I'd reckon stronger than Palpatine.

Who ever said she was weak? She just wasn't much of a Sith in the traditional sense.

Kreia was basically a "survival of the fittest" believer.

But not in the Sith way.

i guess im basically the only one who thinks sids and dooku could win? oh well. my favorite video in kotor 2 is the fall of kreia when she gets the crap beat out of her. (i only like it because once there was a glitch in the game and she ended up off the map and i couldnt do anything and had to load it way far back, it sucked)

Dooku and sids in my opinion would win, this is basically a fight where one person might kill his oponent first and go help. We dont know who will win first.. but assuming sids can hold on long enough for dooku to help, then they win, but the same could apply for traya and windu.

agreed

sidious dies in a few minutes and traya kills a distracted dooku.

Originally posted by Darth Traya
Traya or Kreia was the most pathetic Sith I have ever seen. She was a Sith in name only. She wasn't a Sith, nor a Jedi.

That is what makes her strong.

Better hope that none of the movie fanboys read this or they will be all over you with some such crap about how there is no middle ground...

In the movies and in GL's ideal universe, there is no middle ground.

Of course, EU pisses all over that, so apparently neutrality is a goal.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
In the movies and in GL's ideal universe, there is no middle ground.

Of course, EU pisses all over that, so apparently neutrality is a goal.

While I understand that was what GL was aiming for some of the movie fanboys take that to an extreme...I mean I understand there is good and evil...but I hate that black and white belife that you ether do this or that. I suppose its because I am more a Forgotten Realms fan...

DnD really goofed with the whole True Neutral thing. It's not even possible to have free will and fit the True Neutral alignment description, unless you're insane.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
DnD really goofed with the whole True Neutral thing. It's not even possible to have free will and fit the True Neutral alignment description, unless you're insane.

I suppose...but I always looked at True Neutral as being almost two differnt alignments. One which the player strives to maintain balance which is impossible and the other (which I prefer) where as the player simply does not care about good or evil or balance...but then again I suppose that would be Chaotic Neutral.

The alignment system is fekked up. It makes very little sense, and it all depends on almost Christian elements of right and wrong. It's very possible someone can be in several of those alignment groups with one action.

What do you expect though, eh?

I never liked the "Alignment" classification to begin with. It's a generally useless and unnecessary category. The "alignment" should seep in through the character's choices.

Hmm Kreia is still Dark Side just not a Sith.

A Sith has to be a DS follower

But a DS follower doesn't have to be a Sith.

vader>better then any other fighting style. also mace owned palp. windu is the best of the jedi that easly show that in movie 3

Originally posted by Illustrious
I never liked the "Alignment" classification to begin with. It's a generally useless and unnecessary category. The "alignment" should seep in through the character's choices.

It does...

Originally posted by wolverine8888
vader>better then any other fighting style. also mace owned palp. windu is the best of the jedi that easly show that in movie 3

Vader if not a fighting style, and I don't see what that has to do with it.

And how did Mace proof to be better then anybody, he defeated Sidious. But unlike Yoda all he had was a lightsaber battle...