Should I forgive Germany?

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
no others have posted and agreed, however its difficult to put yourself in someone elses mind when they hear the words "justified and holocaust" together. I actually understood what you said from this morning, so I guess I should have stopped then, however I had been pissed off and didn't. So in that sense I was out of order and I apologise to you.

That's good...so you finally agreee.....people seldom do that...I can understand that you were pissed, but I didn't state it to piss you off.....

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's good...so you finally agreee.....people seldom do that...I can understand that you were pissed, but I didn't state it to piss you off.....

fair enough

Sorry Whirrly but the..... Race card ohhhh thats the thing that makes people racist in the first place.Hate It Hate It.

Oh and by the by if somone does (even if Bardock doesnt) feel that the Holocost was justified what gives you the right to say they are wrong?

Originally posted by Grand Moff Gav
Sorry Whirrly but the..... Race card ohhhh thats the thing that makes people racist in the first place.Hate It Hate It.

Oh and by the by if somone does (even if Bardock doesnt) feel that the Holocost was justified what gives you the right to say they are wrong?

People turned into lampshades perhaps, genocide annoys me more than the race card pal - so if thats your game lets play it.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
People turned into lampshades perhaps, genocide annoys me more than the race card pal - so if thats your game lets play it.

Lampshades smampshades you seem to be quite the mini dictator telling people what are "acceptable" political viewpoints.

here we go again

"there is no spoon"

Originally posted by Grand Moff Gav
Lampshades smampshades you seem to be quite the mini dictator telling people what are "acceptable" political viewpoints.

So you think gas chambers are an acceptable political viewpoint is that what your saying.

Originally posted by Grand Moff Gav
Sorry Whirrly but the..... Race card ohhhh thats the thing that makes people racist in the first place.Hate It Hate It.

Oh and by the by if somone does (even if Bardock doesnt) feel that the Holocost was justified what gives you the right to say they are wrong?

Read into the posts people make please and Yes (even though i dont support or like the idea of a holocost) if in someones views they felt that it was justified then yes that is acceptable,dont know how Gypses do it but where i live we live in a Democracy.

Anybody can justify anything they want, its not up to us to tell them if its right or wrong...

some people will justify the holocaust (hitler did), doesnt mean he's rigth though...

i just dont believe modern germany and the german public are to blame in any way...

Originally posted by pr1983
Anybody can justify anything they want, its not up to us to tell them if its right or wrong...

some people will justify the holocaust (hitler did), doesnt mean he's rigth though...

i just dont believe modern germany and the german public are to blame in any way...

Originally posted by Grand Moff Gav
Read into the posts people make please and Yes (even though i dont support or like the idea of a holocost) if in someones views they felt that it was justified then yes that is acceptable,dont know how Gypses do it but where i live we live in a Democracy.

We are way past this -

I have a question for you before I go off on one, its a simple one, a very simple one

Do you see the holocaust as justifiable from your frame of reference, because most of these democracies didn't and said the crimes committed were "crimes against humanity" - Thats how most democracies react to the unjustifiable.

I dont like the Holocost but and its a big but I am in no position to give a full answer as there are too many varibles in its justifalibility(is that a word)

Originally posted by pr1983
Anybody can justify anything they want, its not up to us to tell them if its right or wrong...

some people will justify the holocaust (hitler did), doesnt mean he's rigth though...

i just dont believe modern germany and the german public are to blame in any way...

I neither believe modern Germany is to blame however international law does not believe some things can be justified

For over half a century, United Nations committees struggled in vain to reach consensus on a code of international crimes that would be punished in an international court. Cold war politics stymied all U.N. efforts to create an international criminal jurisdiction. Powerful nations remained unwilling to yield their sovereign rights to kill as they alone saw fit. After years of meticulous argumentation at the U.N., a breakthrough finally came in Rome in 1998 where 120 nations voted in favor of an ICC to curb the incessant murders and persecution of millions of innocent people. The U.S. was one of 7 nations that voted No. Mr. Kisssinger now argues that because of "the intimidating passion of its advocates", the judicial procedures designed to punish and deter new crimes against humanity are being "spread with extraordinary speed and has not been subjected to systematic debate". It is not the passion of its advocates that is moving nations toward the rule of law - it is the passion of those who have been victims of politics as usual.

Thats funny about international law now isn't?

A great deal of country's (mostly democratic) come together create a bunch of rules and tell the rest of the world to follow it. Funny thing is though a lot of those country's never signed the treaty they are still put under that same law. Its absolute bullshit. Of course thats way off topic, but international law itself is against most laws of most country's that signed the damn treaty in the first place...

I know off topic but still.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
not true I am sure some Germans would worry face to face and even be quite upset.
As for my opinion not mattering at KMC - does anyones? It matters enough for you to reply to this post 🙂 or not 🙂

Back on topic...

Originally posted by Grand Moff Gav
just what i was trying to say.

ok... 😮

and whirly... that post in no way indicates you have any right to forgive germany for something it didnt do...

Originally posted by pr1983
ok... 😮

and whirly... that post in no way indicates you have any right to forgive germany for something it didnt do...

who did do it then?

Hitler and the nazi's, about 60 years ago... Most people alive today didn't fight in it, and those that did were children. They are in no way responsible. So no the Germany of today did not do it. They are not responsible and its hard to forgive them for something they did not do.

Do you live in Millwall splatman?

Originally posted by shaber
Do you live in Millwall splatman?

I live very near