Throughout history three groups have been treated pretty badly by everyone - the Jews, the Kurds and the Gypsies by many major powers at various times, not counting more recent things like what has happened to the Armenians and so forth. But people don't seem to say can I forgive Italy because the Romans oppressed, or England because it oppressed in the middle ages and so on.
History is indeed full of terrible acts and condemnation based upon the concept of race is wrong. Any person who says there should be different standards for people based upon sex or race or whatever is wrong. If a German person out and says the Holocaust was right then in my mind he is a fool, not because he is German but because he holds a view that is wrong. If an American or Australian or whatever says it then my view is the same.
Should you forgive Germany? Yes. The Germany of WWII is gone. The Nazis regime is gone. The people of Germany today (most of them anyway) had nothing to do with what happened, and from the Germans I know, as a nation, Germany still feels shame about it's past despite the flow of time. It's important to remember the past, to insure bad things don't happen again, but nothing is gained by holding a grudge against people who simply have the name of the nation that did wrong. The Germans of today aren't somehow implicit or guilty of of the crime of the past, as such modern day Germans shouldn't be tarred with the same brush as neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers and so forth.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
THANK GOD! Spelljammer is here to share his profound insight on talking out of his ass!Before you start running your mouth, go and read teh holocaust thread, and you'll see this guy is making shit up.
Your just upset becuase I do not equate sexuality with race. You dislike me because I do not see Gay as a race, or defining characteristic. Its a bit sad really.
As for the spelling I find that offensive you wish to attack my nations spelling of my people.
Sorry the BBC spells it that way as do most UK sites.
C21 is right never forgive and never forget.
Originally posted by soleran30
Wow Capt_Fantastic if yeah don't like the thread why ruin another man's thunder........So before you start telling people where to go and what to look please go back reread our previous thread and spend a little time to think about the response and not just react dude 🙄
The entire point of the thread is to react. You can't have awell thought out response, when you're responding to shit.
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Your just upset becuase I do not equate sexuality with race. You dislike me because I do not see Gay as a race, or defining characteristic. Its a bit sad really.As for the spelling I find that offensive you wish to attack my nations spelling of my people.
No, I dislike you because you have no concept of what you're talking about.
As for spelling, thats just symantics...as I have already pointed out.
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Your just upset becuase I do not equate sexuality with race. You dislike me because I do not see Gay as a race, or defining characteristic. Its a bit sad really.As for the spelling I find that offensive you wish to attack my nations spelling of my people.
Sorry the BBC spells it that way as do most UK sites.
C21 is right never forgive and never forget.
Firstly I think the whole concept of "race"is a bit silly. A person is a person is a person. We are all humans. And I don't think AC would be annoyed by not classing "gay as a race" because it's not.
And I have to disagree with the whole "never forgive". What is achived by that? Nothing. And where does it end? Would you want your kids, or your kids kids not "forgiving"German because of something that happened 50, 60 100 or whatever years ago? Eventually that would become just as racist. I will concede you can hate the memory or whatever of the Nazis, Hitler and the rest, but they are not Germany, there were many Germans who didn't agree then, and certainly they don't represent Germany now. Nothing is gained by putting the two in the same camp.
Originally posted by soleran30
absolutley however if you don't like someone's thread its ok to "react" and put them down.......hmm interestingWhirlysplat to err is human
to forgive is divine!So anywho never forget thats for sure however don't be a hater thats how it all started
You cannot forgive the act or forget the lessons, the people of today if they do not say things like it wasn't evil or it can be justified, well thats a different matter.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
So, is that why you have yet to spell it correctly?Even the website you reference has yet to spell it the way you have been spelling it. Granted, I haven't read it all, but not once have I seen it spelled the way you have. Neither Rom, nor Romany, are spelled the way you have been.
I keep seeing it as Roma and Romani
So how did you make assumptions
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Firstly I think the whole concept of "race"is a bit silly. A person is a person is a person. We are all humans. And I don't think AC would be annoyed by not classing "gay as a race" because it's not.And I have to disagree with the whole "never forgive". What is achived by that? Nothing. And where does it end? Would you want your kids, or your kids kids not "forgiving"German because of something that happened 50, 60 100 or whatever years ago? Eventually that would become just as racist. I will concede you can hate the memory or whatever of the Nazis, Hitler and the rest, but they are not Germany, there were many Germans who didn't agree then, and certainly they don't represent Germany now. Nothing is gained by putting the two in the same camp.
Never forgive the act or forget the lessons to be learnt.
Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
So how did you make assumptions
Indeed the BBC spell it Romany as does local government http://preschool.atalink.co.uk/articles/51
Originally posted by soleran30
absolutley however if you don't like someone's thread its ok to "react" and put them down.......hmm interestingWhirlysplat to err is human
to forgive is divine!So anywho never forget thats for sure however don't be a hater thats how it all started
Where did I put him down? In which post did I attack him personally?
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
No, I dislike you because you have no concept of what you're talking about.As for spelling, thats just symantics...as I have already pointed out.
its not symantics its ignorance, yes your posts are difficult to respond to as they are fillibuster without foundation.
Romany is how the Government of the UK spells it.