Gays are not an equivalent to an ethnic minority. Ethnic minorities share a common history, culture, and religion.
Gays don't have that luxury. The only thing in common with all gays is that they like their own gender. That's it. They're composed of completely different people of different races of different religions of different cultures and different personalities.
Homosexuality not a lifestyle or culture contrary to popular belief. It's an element of life. An element that simply determines who you f*** and who you don't f***.
That's it. End of discussion.
Originally posted by Draco69
Gays are not an equivalent to an ethnic minority. Ethnic minorities share a common history, culture, and religion.Gays don't have that luxury. The only thing in common with all gays is that they like their own gender. That's it. They're composed of completely different people of different races of different religions of different cultures and different personalities.
Homosexuality not a lifestyle or culture contrary to popular belief. It's an element of life. An element that simply determines who you f*** and who you don't f***.
That's it. End of discussion.
This is one area where we disagree. Yes, I know we both agree that there is no such thing as "gay culture", as we have both expressed our disdain for the idea.
But, I don't think that it is out of line to ascribe certain qualities of an ethnic minority to homosexuals. Remeber, the only difference between an ethnic minority, and a minority...it the word ethnic.
Originally posted by Capt_FantasticBut, I don't think that it is out of line to ascribe certain qualities of an ethnic minority to homosexuals. Remeber, the only difference between an ethnic minority, and a minority...it the word ethnic.
The word "ethnic" however refers to common history. A lineage so to speak.
The Irish for example. Common history. Common culture. Common accent/language. And more importantly that really makes my case: common LAND.
Ethnicity refers to a COUNTRY or a common AREA. Irish from Ireland. British from Britain. Italian from Italy.
Gays don't have a ancestral land. They come from all over the globe. Hell we may even have gay Eskimos.
In a perfect world we would not need any such thing as a minority status. But in this world there are those people who will hate and discriminate against others who are different. The problem with the idea of a minority status is it smacks of special rights. The focus should be place upon the potential perpetrators not the potential victims. However, this is also a perfect world idea and as long as the potential perpetrators are among the majority, we as a people need to protect any potential victims. So, homosexuals should be protected from potential discrimination until such time that any potential perpetrators have been eliminated from our society.
Originally posted by Draco69
The word "ethnic" however refers to common history. A lineage so to speak.The Irish for example. Common history. Common culture. Common accent/language. And more importantly that really makes my case: common LAND.
Ethnicity refers to a COUNTRY or a common AREA. Irish from Ireland. British from Britain. Italian from Italy.
Gays don't have a ancestral land. They come from all over the globe. Hell we may even have gay Eskimos.
LOL, I know what the word ethnic means.
But any group can be a minority, based on teh reaction of those around them to whatever characteristic they want to pick out.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
In a perfect world we would not need any such thing as a minority status. But in this world there are those people who will hate and discriminate against others who are different. The problem with the idea of a minority status is it smacks of special rights. The focus should be place upon the potential perpetrators not the potential victims. However, this is also a perfect world idea and as long as the potential perpetrators are among the majority, we as a people need to protect any potential victims. So, homosexuals should be protected from potential discrimination until such time that any potential perpetrators have been eliminated from our society.
Well said. The only part I do not agree with, is that gays should never have special rights. It only severes to further their exemption from society, as a whole.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
LOL, I know what the word ethnic means.But any group can be a minority, based on teh reaction of those around them to whatever characteristic they want to pick out.
A minority sure. But not an ETHNIC minority. That's complete in a league of its own.
Gays are a minority in the sense like that of left-handed people.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Well said. The only part I do not agree with, is that gays should never have special rights. It only severes to further their exemption from society, as a whole.
Any special right would exempt homosexuals from the common society and that would lead to resentment. I feel that no one should have special rights, but that all rights should be common and inclusive of the differences that made society strong. So, when I say, smacks of special rights, I mean to say that all homosexuals and heterosexuals are equal and should be afforded the same rights.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes Homosexuals are discriminated more than Left-Handed people...but just looking at how it occurs the two things are similar....
Yes, there are a lot of similarities. Even if it isn't your fight, if we do not stand against discrimination, tomorrow it could be you that is discriminated against.