Is being Gay the same as being from an ethnic minority?

I had it implied to me today on this forum that being gay is as defining as the race or ethnic group you come from. I disagreed with this. The poster implied this was due to similar intollerance faced by both - I agreed both suffered from this, but I did not see sexuality as defining in the way culture is.

So is being gay the same as being black, indian, jewish, gypsy etc

I would say most def yes simply due to taboos and intolerance because of religion. I think its sad cuz I really care less if you are homosexual or Indian but society as a whole tsk tsk narrow narrow minded

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
I had it implied to me today on this forum that being gay is as defining as the race or ethnic group you come from. I disagreed with this. The poster implied this was due to similar intollerance faced by both - I agreed both suffered from this, but I did not see sexuality as defining in the way culture is.

So is being gay the same as being black, indian, jewish, gypsy etc

No, being gay is less tolerated and met with far more open a blatant prejudice and idiocy then being black or mexican or etc is these days. Racism is still there, but at least black people can marry white people. Gay prejudice is the last socially acceptable form of prejudice left it seems.

Originally posted by BackFire
No, being gay is less tolerated and met with far more open a blatant prejudice and idiocy then being black or mexican or etc is these days. Racism is still there, but at least black people can marry white people. Gay prejudice is the last socially acceptable form of prejudice left it seems.

You're smoke'n crack... no2

A gay person can pretend to not be gay and get a job that would be 'straights-only'.

I can't pretend to not be black and people be like, "That dude must be Irish or sumthin."

Originally posted by D-Double
You're smoke'n crack... no2

A gay person can pretend to not be gay and get a job that would ordinarily be exclusive to straights.

I can't pretend to not be black and people be like, "That dude must be Irish or sumthin."

The fact that you recognize that some employers won't hire homosexuals only futhers my statement that homosexuals experience more open prejudice then racial minorities right now.

The question wasn't "can gay people hide who they are". It's an irrelivent point you just made.

No, you can't tell a homosexual from a straight by first glance. There's no denying a black or a Middle-Eastern when they walk by. That's the simple truth. Yes, both get ridiculed, but then again so does everybody. I bet some blonde haired, blue eyed, rich white kid got picked on in school too. But because he's "the man" you're not going to show sympathy for him, and that is what we call hypocrisy.

Everybody has problems. Just learn to deal with your's..

Originally posted by BackFire
The fact that you recognize that some employers won't hire homosexuals only futhers my statement that homosexuals experience more open prejudice then racial minorities right now.

The question wasn't "can gay people hide who they are". It's an irrelevant point you just made.

Wrong. Good ol fashion color-prejudice is alive and stronger than any other. I recognize that homosexuals may experience a large amount of prejudice, but it's not as deep-rooted, and 'right off the bat' as racism. but that's just my opinion.

my point was not irrelevant, and 'damn you, sir' for saying so... 😛

Originally posted by D-Double
Wrong. Good ol fashion color-prejudice is alive and stronger than any other. I recognize that homosexuals may experience a large amount of prejudice, but it's not as deep-rooted, and 'right off the bat' as racism. but that's just my opinion.

my point was not irrelevant, and 'damn you, sir' for saying so... 😛

Never denied color prejudice still existing, I said it isn't as open or socially acceptable these days as homosexual prejudice.

Take this for example.

Say you're walking down the street and you see someone who looks gay, and your friend next to you jokingly says "Gee, look at that ***".

Now, if someone of a different color is walking by, and your friend says "Gee, look at that *insert racial slur here*. Whic do you think is going to be more frowned upon by bystandards who over heard? The racial slur, most likely.

And your point was irrelevent in the sense that you made a point in reference to mine that had absolutely nothing to do with what I was saying.

Originally posted by BackFire
[B]Never denied color prejudice still existing, I said it isn't as open or socially acceptable these days as homosexual prejudice.

I know that. never said you did.

Take this for example.

Say you're walking down the street and you see someone who looks gay, and your friend next to you jokingly says "Gee, look at that ***".

Now, if someone of a different color is walking by, and your friend says "Gee, look at that *insert racial slur here*. Whic do you think is going to be more frowned upon by bystandards who over heard? The racial slur, most likely.

Take this for example.

Say a straight black man and a white gay man are walking together. I think statistically the black man is in more danger of hate (just being) than the gay man.

And your point was irrelevent in the sense that you made a point in reference to mine that had absolutely nothing to do with what I was saying.

My point was, if you're a good actor, being gay won't effect you. Being of color, you don't have a choice. From my point of view it's all about living and succeeding in a 'white man's world'. Whether that white man be gay or not.

I'd like to continue this discussion but I have to go. No hard feelings.

Take this for example.

Say a straight black man and a white gay man are walking together. I think statistically the black man is in more danger of hate (just being) than the gay man.

Once again, this is not relevent to the point I'm making. While what you say may very well be true, racial bigotry is far less acceptable to most normal people then homosexual bigotry - That is my only point, simple as that.

My point was, if you're a good actor, being gay won't effect you. Being of color, you don't have a choice. From my point of view it's all about living and succeeding in a 'white man world'. Whether that white man be gay or not.

Even again, not relevent to the point I'm making. While it's relevant to the thread, I don't know why you're posting it in retort to something I said. It has nothing to do with the point I've made and doesn't disprove it in anyway.

By definition yes.
A minority is someone who simply doesn't fit in to what the mean amount of people are.
Is the majority of the populaion Homosexual?
No
Therefore, Homosexuality IS an minority. In the same way that haveing a curly Fro (while awesome) is still a minority.

It's not as bad as old school racism, but it's by far worse than modern racism, which in most places is just "racial profiling" which we're all guilty of at some point and time. Gays still get beat up for being gay. I don't know about where you live but down here it's not very often that a racial minority gets beat up/killed for being a minority. I can say personally that I see kids who are suspected of being gay get treated worse than any ethnic group in my school, and they even deny being gay. Gays can blend in with the crowd better, but so what, that means that as long as they hide who they are, they're fine. If they weren't victims of bigotry they wouldn't have to hide who they are in the first place.

Originally posted by Tptmanno1
By definition yes.
A minority is someone who simply doesn't fit in to what the mean amount of people are.
Is the majority of the populaion Homosexual?
No
Therefore, Homosexuality IS an minority. In the same way that haveing a curly Fro (while awesome) is still a minority.

*pats the fro*

😛

I know around where I live, there's a lot more discrimination against gays than there are against different races.

At any rate, I completely agree with what both Tpt and Afro Cheese said.

🤨 you humans are weird

Originally posted by BackFire
Once again, this is not relevent to the point I'm making. While what you say may very well be true, racial bigotry is far less acceptable to most normal people then homosexual bigotry - That is my only point, simple as that.

I feel that the only reason now-a-days that you don't hear as much racial slurs is simply the fear that has been put into racists. It doesn't mean they're not racist anymore. And the silent racism is what keeps people of color poor, in ghettos, underpaid, and under-respected. It spreads from the most remote farm in the middle of nowhere to the highest level of government. It is there and it's strong. It's talked about behind closed doors... or sometimes not at all.... just acted out as a racist reflex that blankets the world.

Acceptance means nothing to me. Change does. And it's happening slowly but surely. I feel homosexual prejudice greatly pales in comparison and although relevant and unacceptable to me, it is not the same.

Yes, It's true you can hear someone say 'f@ggot' more freely than 'n!gger'. I believe this is because homosexuals are in a struggle for respect, validation, understanding, and 'acceptance' in a world the has them on the tip of the tongue. People of color have gone through this in unbelievable volume already, have gained a foothold, and have a hundred years more to go... if not more. I sympathise, but do not feel the gay struggle is equal to the struggle of a person of color.... partially, because gays are in every family. you know what I mean?

Homosexuals simply are not, and will not be oppressed on the same massive level.

Even again, not relevent to the point I'm making. While it's relevant to the thread, I don't know why you're posting it in retort to something I said. It has nothing to do with the point I've made and doesn't disprove it in anyway.

As I read back over the questions, answers, and comments, everything makes sense to me. Either I am not explaining myself clearly or we are on different wavelengths.

Originally posted by Tptmanno1
By definition yes.
A minority is someone who simply doesn't fit in to what the mean amount of people are.
Is the majority of the populaion Homosexual?
No
Therefore, Homosexuality IS an minority. In the same way that haveing a curly Fro (while awesome) is still a minority.

When I see homosexuals grouped together, in poor neighborhoods all over the world, because of years of hatred and oppression from the majority, I'll agree with you totally.

Originally posted by D-Double
When I see homosexuals grouped together, in poor neighborhoods all over the world, because of years of hatred and oppression from the majority, I'll agree with you totally.

To be honest I don't see the point of the "my peoples form of oppression is worse then your peoples form of oppression." To me if a minority is being discriminated against for no good reason (and lets be honest there NEVER is a good reason) then it reprehensible regardless of whether it's because of race, creed, sexuality, gender, and it is still reprehensible regardless of severity. Discrimination is discrimination. There are simply different names for it in different contexts. Bigotry, racism and so forth aren't really that different.

So I would say that in a social way being gay is still equivalent to being from any other form of minority, including ethnic minorities. While the definition might be different they are still both minorities prone to pointless, unjust discrimination.

It of course is not the same...and the person ou are refering to never said it was the same....he said that being persecuted as a homosexual is the same as persecution towards race...makes no difference...it's the individual that is persecuted....Race, Sexuality, Gender are only the reasons.

Another fine example of how you turn around what a person says or just plain misunderstand it....

ermm..on the other side..
ethnic minorities do often expect to be treaten differently. (eg having extra things)
and I don't see why homosexual people should be treaten differently than the heterosexual ones. they are people. period. they shouldn't be treaten differently. so they shouldn't be considered as a minority.

if you are thinking this way you can as well count as a minoroty people who are so tall or so fat 😬

Originally posted by Clovie
ermm..on the other side..
ethnic minorities do often expect to be treaten differently. (eg having extra things)
and I don't see why homosexual people should be treaten differently than the heterosexual ones. they are people. period. they shouldn't be treaten differently. so they shouldn't be considered as a minority.

if you are thinking this way you can as well count as a minoroty people who are so tall or so fat 😬

But that's what I am saying...they are different things....although I don't see why one race should get special treatment towards another...