An empire is an empire, there's not really any different TYPE of empire. Each are controlled by a monarch or emperor, all are totalitarian. I'll say it again, what else could Lucas use as his powerful bad guy besides an empire? There's nothing he could have used that would be on the same scale as the Galactic Empire. It was the only way he could go, it made sense.
Originally posted by exanda kaneExcuse me! Franz Ferdinand gets shot, OK. Osttereich-hungaria declares war to um...........forgot. France is furious.....declares war. Germans join the hungarians. Russians declare war to Osstereich-Hungaria. Germans wanna attack France and Russia. To be able to attack France they attack Belgium (My country) and invade it. Belgium declares war. Britain declares war to help the belgians. Germans attack Russia.
Excuse me!
Please read the little bit next to my name which says "Location: Great Britain" - of which then it'll become clear that previously my 'kingdom' if you will,had been at war with the french for a few centuries - but I'd like to say that I have no quarrel with the French blah blah ...And please read up on what started WWI and the Creation of Nazism...
The Gemans did not start WWI they were dragged into it as were most other countries and also realise that the Germans did not suddenly declare that they hated Jews and that they were victims of a very clever yet rather twisted plan, master-minded by a man called Adolf Hitler...
So who started it huh? Germany attacked Belgium just becaause it was neutral and layed between France and Germany.
All it started in the Balkans - but to answer the the french wanted revenge for the french defeat in the franco-prussian wao of 1870-1 and they made there war plan (plan 17) and German (who knew France wanted revenge) chose theirs - which unfortunatedly entailed them invading Belgium...
This thread will get too poltical soon but as Tangible God has already said an Empire is an Empire...
Actually, the first world war began because of the rise of nationalism and alliance building. Both Germany and Italy were founded because of nationalism. The assasination of the Archduke Ferdinand was just the straw that broke the camels back, as it were. The age of empires had led to certain ruling parties controlling multiple ethnic groups, who resisted integration, due to nationalism. These empires had formed alliances with each other, and so...when the time came, one country would declare war and by default, all the countries they were allied with had to join the war too.
And, of course, Nationalism was the cause of German aggression during the '30s. Which, was the cause of WW2
And the first battle of WW1 was fought in Belgium. But, that was because the only way the Germans could get to France...was through Belgium.
So, everyone was right. There's no single cause for WW1
Of course there's not. It's not as if some guy was watching and inhibiting events play out with the INTENTON of war. A series of events just lead to it. What lead to it being a WORLD WAR was the fact that there was so many alliances, all on either one of two different sides.
WWII was more the cause of one man. Mr. Hitler goes to Berlin is that man.
Let's face it people tend to pick things out of history or even the present and interpret it into what they see in the movies. So I'm sure Lucas did draw from all empires and uniforms ect. for the evil galactic empire, but im sure he had his own ideas in there too. I have heard some people say that when Grievous's ship is burning through the atmosphere that it must of been done like that because of the way the columbia blew up. I would have to say NO, that is just what a ship looks like while entering the atmosphere and while its on fire. Even with the political stuff in EPIII they were comparing it to what is going on in the US senate. give me a break Lucas had the primary idea for this 30 years ago so don't give me this crap.
On a different note: Tolkien's works were not allegory, that was the one thing he wanted to avoid. He was writing with applicabilaty,he wanted to let people make their own decision of what the story means to them. So if your english teacher is telling you different and that the evil in mount doom symbolizes the nazi's and the ring symbolizes nuclear energy, tell them to stick it up their arse.
Originally posted by darthmaul1
Let's face it people tend to pick things out of history or even the present and interpret it into what they see in the movies. So I'm sure Lucas did draw from all empires and uniforms ect. for the evil galactic empire, but im sure he had his own ideas in there too. I have heard some people say that when Grievous's ship is burning through the atmosphere that it must of been done like that because of the way the columbia blew up. I would have to say NO, that is just what a ship looks like while entering the atmosphere and while its on fire. Even with the political stuff in EPIII they were comparing it to what is going on in the US senate. give me a break Lucas had the primary idea for this 30 years ago so don't give me this crap.
On a different note: Tolkien's works were not allegory, that was the one thing he wanted to avoid. He was writing with applicabilaty,he wanted to let people make their own decision of what the story means to them. So if your english teacher is telling you different and that the evil in mount doom symbolizes the nazi's and the ring symbolizes nuclear energy, tell them to stick it up their arse.
Yah..did u not say yourself that it is up for "people (to) make their own decisions"? Yupz and hence the parallels drawn from LOTR to WWI is truly acceptable, keyword: parallels, and nuttin more. That settles it..
Interestin indeed..this has been turned to be The Origins Of the First World War debate..haha! Wokay nonetheless, let us then put it in context..since we're talking about World War,how similar or different it is to the Clone Wars?
If we notice, old Palpy took pains to become the Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Senate, presumably it was the easiest way for him to control the various star systems of the Republic. The Clone Wars represent the large-scale galactic war rather similar to our World Wars,
just that the Clone Wars was to counter the Separatists, while in our World Wars we mostly fight among each other..If a galactic governing body like the Galactic Senate can be used as a platform for war, how far then can we be sure that similarly our United Nations would not be too corrupt that it might be exploited by great powers to advocate War?
Originally posted by Cybervader
Yah..did u not say yourself that it is up for "people (to) make their own decisions"? Yupz and hence the parallels drawn from LOTR to WWI is truly acceptable, keyword: parallels, and nuttin more. That settles it..Interestin indeed..this has been turned to be The Origins Of the First World War debate..haha! Wokay nonetheless, let us then put it in context..since we're talking about World War,how similar or different it is to the Clone Wars?
If we notice, old Palpy took pains to become the Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Senate, presumably it was the easiest way for him to control the various star systems of the Republic. The Clone Wars represent the large-scale galactic war rather similar to our World Wars,
just that the Clone Wars was to counter the Separatists, while in our World Wars we mostly fight among each other..If a galactic governing body like the Galactic Senate can be used as a platform for war, how far then can we be sure that similarly our United Nations would not be too corrupt that it might be exploited by great powers to advocate War?
Yes I did say that it is up to the people to draw their own conclusions. I guess i should of said that with regard to the shuttle blowing up, that people were insiting that this is what george was trying to make it look like. yes you can interprit it that way if you wish, but do not insist this is what he had in mind cause we don't know.
Originally posted by Tangible God
Again, the only way for the Clone Wars to be impressive enough to draw people to the theater is if it's full-scale style. I doubt Lucas based it off of WWII, or whatever else. He only had limited amount of options to use in his movies. He's from Earth so he has to use what Earthlings know.
But, George has said that the Galactic Empire was based, stylistically, on the Third Reich.
Ok - this thread has got sily now, I probably didnt help it myself but the guy trying to explain everything uneccesarily (no offense) did so ....uneccesarily...
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Yah..did u not say yourself that it is up for "people (to) make their own decisions"? Yupz and hence the parallels drawn from LOTR to WWI is truly acceptable, keyword: parallels, and nuttin more. That settles it..
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I think Darthmaul1 said that your english teacher shouldnt 'tell' you..so maybe you just misread but if your sposed to draw your own parellels (which Tolkien wanted of course) then you should make your own conclusion...and I don't think I've heard LOTR parelleled with WWI...that maybe an error too.....
well i hope someone doesnt bloody start another argument now 😖
Sorry Kane but I gotta post--it's the brandy kicking in.
What else IS Lucas gonna do? The Wermarcht is such an obvious choice to base an evil galactic organization off of. I think the only option he had as a bad guy, would be an evil empire. Having knowledge limited to that of we humans, he won't have much to choose from in the way of Empires. All have been good AND bad in our history. He took only the bad and used that as his regime.
There is only so much you can use for a bad guy on the scale the Empire was.
Originally posted by exanda kane
Ok - this thread has got sily now, I probably didnt help it myself but the guy trying to explain everything uneccesarily (no offense) did so ....uneccesarily...(Quote From Cybervader)
Yah..did u not say yourself that it is up for "people (to) make their own decisions"? Yupz and hence the parallels drawn from LOTR to WWI is truly acceptable, keyword: parallels, and nuttin more. That settles it..
(End Quote)I think Darthmaul1 said that your english teacher shouldnt 'tell' you..so maybe you just misread but if your sposed to draw your own parellels (which Tolkien wanted of course) then you should make your own conclusion...and I don't think I've heard LOTR parelleled with WWI...that maybe an error too.....
well i hope someone doesnt bloody start another argument now 😖
I'm not starting an argument just stating what i heard on the expanded edition of LOTR FOTR behind the scenes that Tolkien came up with the idea of LOTR while he was fighting in the trenches during WWI, i think it must of been an escape for him to do so, and although u can say that the LOTR is a parallel to what he went through, this is not what tolkien wanted, he wants everyone to draw their own conclusions, and not be so narrow minded as most english teachers.
Originally posted by CybervaderNever trust dictators, cyborgs, or cloned troops/sheep. The Jedi and the Jews are the same thing, the Wermarcht and the Imperial Army are the same thing, the Third Reich and the Empire are the same thing, Napolean and Stalin both only had one testicle that dropped.
Haha..i guess that makes sense..and yup i get where you're coming from..so yah..Eh how about the corruption of the galactic governing body? Clone Wars and our World Wars? How can we learn from what took place..
Originally posted by Cybervader
Haha..i guess that makes sense..and yup i get where you're coming from..so yah..Eh how about the corruption of the galactic governing body? Clone Wars and our World Wars? How can we learn from what took place..
Well, it was a very simplistic representation of how such things happen, but in a very general sense, we can take a look at how the Republic suddenly became the Empire, take a look at what's going on today (and has been going on for a while, honestly) in the U.S., and realize that history repeats itself. 😉
Or at least it will continue to do so until overpopulation, climate change, or economic collapse triggered by dwindling energy resources (or any combination of those) finally causes a dramatic, irreversible change. Then things will get downright interesting. 😛
hehe.. dunno if u have heard of him.. but try going to:
this guy claims to be a time traveller and he came from the future..he said the US would have a civil war anytime now..so yah..