Ulic would own any version of Anakin. The only people that could actually beat/challenge him would be Marka Ragnos, Exar Kun, Revan, Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh. I am probably forgetting some, but those are most of them. (oh and no, I did not forget Yoda, but I think that we can all agree that Ulic would pwn Sidious, who, like it or not, gave Yoda a tough time).
Here is some Ulic info for you mace=badass, oh and by the way, welcome to the board 🙂 Here is the info:
He was born on the planet of Alderaan, his mother was a respected jedi master. However, he did not go in for jedi training until he was nearly 20. However, before that he applied himself in many physical and mental challenges, always learning more quickly than anyone else did and becoming the best at whatever he did, with no effort.
After becoming an apprentice to Jedi Master Vodo Siosk-Baas, Ulic, along with two other apprentices were sent to the planet of Onderon, to try and tame the dark side there. When on Onderon, they found a planet on the brink of war. The beastriders (people that could control animals) rushed the palace and captured the princess, Ulic and the other two padawans fought their way to the beastriders enclave and discovered that the Onderonians were in-fact the instigators of the conflict. However the dark side was too strong, so Ulic studied from a sith holocron, intent on learning the ways of the sith so that he could infiltrate them and destroy them from the inside. However, like all others who learned the ways of the dark side, Ulic fell to its power. While on Iziz (the capital city of Onderon), Ulic killed the king, who was in-fact possessed by the spirit of Freedon Nadd. When Nadd’s spirit emerged, he could sense Ulic’s power and declared that Ulic would be one of the greatest sith that the galaxy had ever seen. Then Ulic was given a sith amulet by Aleema Keto (the same sort of amulet that Exar Kun wore, it increased his power by a large amount), he then studied the dark side of the force under Aleema (who was a powerful darksider and had all the knowledge that Freedon Nadd possessed, his holocron, scrolls etc). However, Mandalore, ruler of the Mandalorians refused to bow down to Ulic and Aleema, Ulic went and defeated Mandalore, after this Mandalore pledged himself, and his troops to Ulic.
Ulic got so strong that Exar Kun was able to sense his presence across the galaxy. Exar tracked Ulic down; knowing that Ulic was the only person strong enough to defeat him. A furious duel occurred, with neither opponent gaining an advantage; he duelled Exar Kun to a standstill, when the sith amulets that both of them wore activated and the spirit of Marka Ragnos appeared. He declared Exar to be the master and Ulic to be his apprentice. Marka then said that the two of them together would bring about the return of the golden age of the sith.
However, Ulic became arrogant and decided to attack Coruscant before Exar decided it was time. Ulic was winning the battle when a subordinate betrayed him. After being captured by the Republic, Ulic was put on trial before the senate, however Ulic was defiant and told them that they would all die, these are his words: “You are puppets of tradition pretending to be important. The coming Golden Age has no place for you. Your Republic is an empty self-indulgent diversion... signifying nothing. The lost glory of the Sith will turn all of your supposed accomplishments to dust.” His confidence was rewarded as Exar soon came and freed him, while Exar duelled with his old master; Ulic proceeded to slaughter the senate.
After being freed by Exar, the two sith lords decided to go the jedi world of Ossus. The two sith went to Ossus undetected and stole ancient and powerful artefacts, scrolls and holocrons from the jedi, and the jedi were unaware of it happening. Very impressive since there were thousands of jedi knights and masters on the world. However, Exar blew up the sun of that world, alerting the jedi to the sith lords presence. Ulic and Exar got seperated, and Ulic was cornered by Cay Qel-Droma (his brother) and Nomi Sunrider, after a furious duel, Ulic killed his brother. After killing his brother, Nomi Sunrider removed his connection to the force, but she could only do that because Ulic was distracted, weakened and shaken by the fact that he killed his brother. After this, Ulic fled and went into exile for the next twenty years. However, he was to resurface on the galactic stage.
Even though he had lost his connection to the force, Nomi Sunrider’s daughter, Vima, sought Ulic out to train her, even though her mother was the most powerful jedi in the order and could train her or could get anyone else to train her, she chose Ulic. The two of them crafted new lightsabers, which is very impressive since Ulic was able to create a lightsaber without using the force. Since the jedi use the force to guide the crystals into alignment with each other, this is an impressive feat. After a while, Ulic agreed and started to train her, however, he was tracked down again by Nomi Sunrider and another jedi, a Cathar named Sylvar. Sylvar was a powerful jedi knight and had trained with Exar when he was still a jedi, she actually managed to wound Exar while they were training, that is how he got the three scars across his face (oh and Exar and Sylvar were the same age, it was not a knight beating up on a padawan). Later she fought against Exar and Ulic in the war, so she was powerful and had loads of experience (imagine someone like Juhani, but twice as strong and you get Sylvar). She had also continued to train during the 20 years Ulic was in exile. She came to hunt Ulic down and kill him, drawing her lightsaber, she tried to kill him, yet even without the force (which is what the jedi use to control and guide their weapon), Ulic was able to defeat a very powerful, experienced jedi master. After disarming her, Ulic turned to talk to Nomi, it was then that he was shot in the back by the pilot that brought Sylvar and Nomi to see him. Even though he had no connection to the force, he still disappeared, becoming one with it. Also, of great interest is what Nomi Sunrider said when she saw him disappear into the force, she said that only jedi masters could do that, meaning the Ulic had become a master before he died.
Four thousand years after his death, his spirit encountered Anakin Skywalker, who was on his quest to destroy the Dark Reaper, Ulic taught Anakin much, as well as warning him to follow the light. This is very impressive since spirits get weaker the longer they are around, and Ulic’s spirit was able to stay around for over 4000 years. So Ulic had incredible power, nearly equal to that of the great Exar Kun.
I also have lots of info similar to this on most of the sith and many of the jedi, so if you need anything, feel free to PM me. And again, welcome to KMC
Simus, Nadd, and possibly ancient lords like Hord would also give Ulic trouble and be in position to beat him.
However, after his timeline, I see only Revan giving him much trouble, everyone else would likely be inferior. In an actual fight, Yoda's size and speed could cause some trouble, but ultimately, I see him losing to Ulic as well.
In what way would Sidious be superior to someone like Naga Sadow?
You give people like him no respect, it's not people don't give Sidious any respect. If this was purely a movie forum, I'd say Sidious was great, but it's NOT. It's the EU forum, and it's clear, by virtue of feats, force powers, status, and contemporaries that Naga Sadow is the superior.
If you want to debate why Sidious is greater than someone like Sadow, Ragnos, Exar, Revan, Ulic, Kressh, Nadd, or the like, go for it. Until you learn the abilities to string 2 logically correct points together, don't complain.
Originally posted by Illustrious
In what way would Sidious be superior to someone like Naga Sadow?You give people like him no respect, it's not people don't give Sidious any respect. If this was purely a movie forum, I'd say Sidious was great, but it's NOT. It's the EU forum, and it's clear, by virtue of feats, force powers, status, and contemporaries that Naga Sadow is the superior.
If you want to debate why Sidious is greater than someone like Sadow, Ragnos, Exar, Revan, Ulic, Kressh, Nadd, or the like, go for it. Until you learn the abilities to string 2 logically correct points together, don't complain.
Oh sure naga sadow is without a doubt "clearly superior"... this is two people from different time periods, its impossible to know for sure whos stronger. Damn kids.
lol
and yes, I guess you are right Glentract, but remember, Luke has not fought very many force users that actually tested him (Vader wasn't trying 100%, plus Luke was so young that he did not learn all he could from it), however, yes, you are right NJO Luke would be a decent fight for Ulic as well.
Vengence, I see you have not changed at all in months. First, why is Sidious so great, really why is it? Also, how could Sidious destroy a jedi master (think something like Obi-Wan in RotS) without using the force at all.
Actually, I will be happy to debate with you exactly why Sidious is not invincible and would easily be wasted in every category (politics, force power, influence, amount of terror that he inspiries, lackeys power, duelling skill and anything else) by Marka, whom you seem to hate (or at least you did several months ago. Also, in almost every category (excluding politics and influence) Exar would be able to beat him. Actually, if you want, list a person, and I will try to give you a list of reasons as to why Sidious would loose to them (oh please make the list reasonable, not a 2 month old padawan vs Sids and make me try to give reasons for the baby winning).
Originally posted by Lord Darkstar
loland yes, I guess you are right Glentract, but remember, Luke has not fought very many force users that actually tested him (Vader wasn't trying 100%, plus Luke was so young that he did not learn all he could from it), however, yes, you are right NJO Luke would be a decent fight for Ulic as well.
Vengence, I see you have not changed at all in months. First, why is Sidious so great, really why is it? Also, how could Sidious destroy a jedi master (think something like Obi-Wan in RotS) without using the force at all.
Actually, I will be happy to debate with you exactly why Sidious is not invincible and would easily be wasted in every category (politics, force power, influence, amount of terror that he inspiries, lackeys power, duelling skill and anything else) by Marka, whom you seem to hate (or at least you did several months ago. Also, in almost every category (excluding politics and influence) Exar would be able to beat him. Actually, if you want, list a person, and I will try to give you a list of reasons as to why Sidious would loose to them (oh please make the list reasonable, not a 2 month old padawan vs Sids and make me try to give reasons for the baby winning).
Once again trying to decide whos stronger between two people from different time periods is futile, but nevertheless Ill get to you tommorow once I have more time if you want to debate. And I dont hate ragnos hes cool, I hate revan hes a dork.
well to decide the versus outcome from people from different timelines, you must judge what went on during those times (peace or war), if war, then were they front-line or the armchair general. How feared were they during that time. Who were some of there opponents? What does history say about that time? These are just a few ways that you can help conpare people from different times.
For example, I do not know how good with a sword the best roman front-line general was while the romans were at war with the germanic tribes. However, I do know that all soldiers in the army were trained with a sword and were very skilled and even talked about today. I also know that it was during a time of war, so they would practise there skills. I also know that he was a front-line general, meaning he faced opponets.
Now, none of that proves that he can beat a army commander today if they met fighting with swords. But we do know that the army today does not use swords or get trained with them. So we cannot make a definite conclusion, however, all the evidence leads to the roman general beating the current day army general in a sword fight. That sort of thing is what we are trying to do here. And while Sidious was great in his time, when compared to somebody else (Exar, Marka etc.) he doesn't pass the test.