Originally posted by Dizzle
Voting Mr. Von Doom...That said, KVD has a very distinct range advantage. The terrain helps him a lot here, since moving will probably take a good while for either of you to really master. His auto targeting and far-from wimpy arsenal should be enough to take you down faster than you can take him down. Simple as that.
yep... my thoughts exactly... this is why I'm leaning towards von doom myself...
Does seem like we hit a lull, now we are arguing in circles. So, after I correct your last statement and show it's many flaws, I'll post mine.
Ahem:
- The fifteen minute prep time will be used to power up my chi, resulting in a battle aura, a chi field which I can use to control my movement in an anti-gravity chamber (Ken, Bison and Akuma have used it to levitate, by association Ryu can as well). Add to this, Darkhawk's experience in zero gravity and I have the environmental advantage. Whereas LP will be using his tentacles and coils to steady himself but with just a smooth vibranium/adamantium surface, he'll have nothing to latch or hold onto, causing him to float aimlessly for a short period of time before he's KO'd.
No proof that Ryu can actually levitate, so it's mindless speculation on your part.
Shocktopus can most definitely levitate, easily with Electro's powers, and even control speed of movement with Freek's Boosters.
Right from the start I'll be using the auto-targeting, Darkhawk's already accurate aim and telescopic sight to locate LP then blast him with continuous force blasts and eye beams. A single blast is equal to a cyclops level optic blast, well within the rules, powerful enough to knock Ironman from the sky (see previous pics) but a continuous barrage of these blasts will quickly destroy LP's shields. Rules say your shields can't be stronger than titanium right? Auto targeting plus over a dozen force blasts with pinpoint accuracy in the span of one second will knock LP back, destroying his shields and armor as he tries to make his way towards me.
Your first attempt at a blast will send you spinning since you have proof of control over your movement in Zero G. In that, you won't ever have a chance to actually let off another seeing I have MORE ranged attacks than you do. 4 lasers plus electricity=more.
- All this time LP is multitasking with trying to magnetize boxes, trying to grab onto something to steady himself, trying to aim & throw un-magnetized boxes, attempting to float his way towards me, shooting me with 2 lasers (two are occupied with boxes), hoping to make his electricity effective from that range, while trying to maintain the integrity of his shields from my battering, And let's face it, Electro isn't exactly a genius when it comes to strategy and multitasking. Essentially, LP will be blown backwards (auto-targeting), as will I (kickback from the amount of power I'm dishing out) keeping us at maximum distance from each other. In this situation, LP has no effective offense, while I'm about to...
Actually, my lasers are free to shoot, all four of them. And with my boosters and two superpowered shields, I can dodge.
The only kickback is what you'll get from your own blasts seeing you can't navigate.
Again, I have four lasers and high powered electricity. Way more powerful than your blasts.
- Shoot him with a super hadouken, for which LP has no defense seeing as his shields have been destroyed and his armor has been pulverized by by blasts. One of these bad boys is all it will take to take LP out of the fight, and with auto-targeting enhancing my telescopic sight, there's no way that any range attacks can miss. If LP is still alive? How about a couple of dozen more cyclops level force blasts to his head. (see previous a pics of DH's rapid fire and accuracy)
Again, your plan is flawed. None of this will ever happen due to the fact I have more range attacks and more up close attacks and better protection AND I can navigate just as easily as I could flying on Earth.
Four lasers + 1million Volt blasts= More than you.
My defensive capabilities won't even be needed because LP doesn't have a potent range attack to hurt me with. Lasers? Spiderman 2099 can dodge ten of these simultaneously (see previous pics with the Seekers)
Lady Ock is smarter than the original and a far better tactician, far better than Ryu or Spiderman or Darkhawk could ever dream to be.
It's quite simple. I'm Faster Stronger Higher powered Smarter Navigate better all better than your guy.
I can't lose.
Now, since I cleaned up your final draft making it correct, I'll do mine.
Common misconception is Von Doom has the range advantage, simply untrue.
Four high powered lasers and electricity bolts from all free limbs. I have him outpowered in everything.
Anyway.
-During prep, I get as used to navigating in Zero G using my Magnetic Levitation and flight boosters. I charge up my body making myself highly resistant to all energy and superhumanly strong. I power up both shields. Both extremely high durability.
-Attack: Come out blasting all Four high powered lasers and high powered electricity bolts and massively long coils while dodging and letting my two highly durable shields to their job. Since I have my boosters to give me speed and magnetic powers to give me balance, I can fly zig zag any way I want closing whatever gap there is in less than 3 seconds. *Remember, any blast Von makes will send him spiraling against walls, his chances of making any direct hits are less than 5%.
-After the gap is closed and Darkhawk has been unable to dodge any attacks from me at all, and my lasers and electricity has did it's job, the coils have been dug in him even before the gap has been closed, he's now getting all 1million volts of electricity blasted INSIDE him from adamantium mentally controlled coils.
Now, being electrocuted AND now being battered by four super strong tenticals, Vonnie Doom is getting beat unconcious and bashed against walls and is up for being sliced straight in half by 5 fot long adamantium blades.
*Note. Remember, he will be off balance even MORE so now, and being hit by tenticals that have K.O'd the hulk won't help.
The fact that I DO have the advantages of long range & close range & strength & speed & movement, I would be able to 100% dominate this fight.
Originally posted by jinzin
wait... longpig are you seriously attempting to argue that ken can do something ryu can not? 🤨
And if you somehow count that as one, it's nothing to rely on, definitely nothing compared to Electro's magnetic manipulation levitation and SpeedFreek's boosters.
speedfreaks boosters would seem to put you into perpetual motion.. I don't quite think that's in your favor.... 😕
i think retard rodeo was the right idea about this fight.. but
I remember what KVD is talking about... ken DID do that.. I seriously think if ken can do it, and akuma can do it, by logic alone ryu would be able to do so... I don't think further inferences about how reliable it is are up to you to make, sorry, but if you need it to be proved to you, you're admitting you haven't seen it done.. I remeber when ken did it, he had no problems with navigation...
The boosters in short managed bursts wouldn't do anything but give extra momentum to an already extremely controlled magnetic levitation. It'd only send me into circles if I had no control.
If ryu wants to use up all of his chi to try and fly, he can try, but then what will be left of his other chi attack? He'll waste it all on flying.
Electro stores enough electricity to fligh for hours, so I'm not worried.
So, basically, is KVD levitates, he loses more power from his chi attack, making it even harder to effect me. If he doesn't use his chi to fly, he gets doused.
Catch 22, either way, I have the advantaged.
Originally posted by long pig
The boosters in short managed bursts wouldn't do anything but give extra momentum to an already extremely controlled magnetic levitation. It'd only send me into circles if I had no control.
sorry, when you said boosters.. it made you sound as if you ad a speed advantage with your levitation... that by definition is flight and we all know that was axed so this is your only option on the matter, I understand now...
Originally posted by long pig
If ryu wants to use up all of his chi to try and fly, he can try, but then what will be left of his other chi attack? He'll waste it all on flying.
remember when I said it wasn't in your interest to make further inferences on the matter?... this is why... you're only continuing to prove you don't quite understand what your up against exactly...
when ken did it he still had enough power for one mega-assed hadoken that actually made akuma faulter...considering he's getting a power boost from his stacking etc, I think it's safe to say he'd be just fine...
Originally posted by long pig
Common misconception is Von Doom has the range advantage, simply untrue.Four high powered lasers and electricity bolts from all free limbs. I have him outpowered in everything.
Anyway.
-During prep, I get as used to navigating in Zero G using my Magnetic Levitation and flight boosters. I charge up my body making myself highly resistant to all energy and superhumanly strong. I power up both shields. Both extremely high durability.
-Attack: Come out blasting all [b]Four
high powered lasers and high powered electricity bolts and massively long coils while dodging and letting my two highly durable shields to their job. Since I have my boosters to give me speed and magnetic powers to give me balance, I can fly zig zag any way I want closing whatever gap there is in less than 3 seconds. *Remember, any blast Von makes will send him spiraling against walls, his chances of making any direct hits are less than 5%.-After the gap is closed and Darkhawk has been unable to dodge any attacks from me at all, and my lasers and electricity has did it's job, the coils have been dug in him even before the gap has been closed, he's now getting all 1million volts of electricity blasted INSIDE him from adamantium mentally controlled coils.
Now, being electrocuted AND now being battered by four super strong tenticals, Vonnie Doom is getting beat unconcious and bashed against walls and is up for being sliced straight in half by 5 fot long adamantium blades.
*Note. Remember, he will be off balance even MORE so now, and being hit by tenticals that have K.O'd the hulk won't help.The fact that I DO have the advantages of long range & close range & strength & speed & movement, I would be able to 100% dominate this fight. [/B]
firstly, you do not know the environment taht you will be fighting in or where your enemy is. so if u come out blasting, dodging, and using speedfreeks boosters, you are going to 1. miss your target 2. become disoriented as u will need a half second to recover from your volleys, and . prolly crash into something and stun yourself as u are in a big box. u may even hit into those floating metal boxes.
this as i said puts u at a disadvantage so when kvd is realizing hes in zero g and taht u are coming out blind and shooting, he can pace himself with the second or 2 it takes u to realize what environemnt that u are in. he can slaughter u then with his whatever.
according to the pics provided he can shoot 10-15 blasts from his sheld anyways and that beats your 4 lazers and electric blasts.
i dunno fella u placed yourself at a disadvantage
Originally posted by long pig
No proof that Ryu can actually levitate, so it's mindless speculation on your part.Shocktopus can most definitely levitate, easily with Electro's powers, and even control speed of movement with Freek's Boosters.
i'm under the impression that all levitation type powers/abilities are turned off for these fights..... so until Digi gives a clear ruling i'm gonna stick with that interpretation
Originally posted by long pig
Amazing Spider-Man #353-358 Right?
LP asked me to look up some issues of ASM, I'm assuming these are them. What exactly am I looking for though?
...humorous side note. Just bought the Ultimate Spider-Man video game (which is pretty good by the way). I'm in a race with Johnny Storm and Parker yells out "You're slower than Darkhawk!" Made me smile...
{Edit} Skimmed through the issues. Darkhawk helps out against a cyborg in 353-4. He's gone for the next two issues, and reappears to fight in a battle royale, where he and SM are about the only two well-known ones (nova too). About the only "useful-to-the-debate" thing I could find was a mini-fight with a guy named Cannonball (or Thunderball...something like that). Darkhawk grabs him with his hook, and Thunderdude sends an electrical current back up it to shock Darkhawk. It certainly hurt DH quite a bit, but he's not down for the count, and eventually punches the guy out of the fight for about 5 pages or so.
If I'm missing something, or something about the fight needs clarified, let me know.
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I'm kinda disapointed about that.
Man.....First he said his hook wasn't conductive, then said his body wasn't conductive then showed a doctored picture of Darkhawk using the grappling hook on Thunderball and blacked the electrocution part out and said it didn't happen.
I mean, my very first words were about Darkhawk's electricity weakness, he's always had it.
Anyways.....dunno.
Originally posted by Scoobless
i'm under the impression that all levitation type powers/abilities are turned off for these fights..... so until Digi gives a clear ruling i'm gonna stick with that interpretation
It is turned off, except since this fight is in an anti-grav chamber technically the whole fight is levitation and flight. If the combatants want to use powers of "levitation" to maneuver, it is acceptable. LP has already been confirmed to be able to do this, but in a severely limited manner since the vibranium would absorb the electricity that he would try to use to propel himself with. So he can do it, but only with a considerable effort.
Originally posted by long pig
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I'm kinda disapointed about that.Man.....First he said his hook wasn't conductive, then said his body wasn't conductive then showed a doctored picture of Darkhawk using the grappling hook on Thunderball and blacked the electrocution part out and said it didn't happen.
I mean, my very first words were about Darkhawk's electricity weakness, he's always had it.
Anyways.....dunno.
i've got it right in front of me..... DH grabs the wrecking ball, thunderball says
"let me just up the gain on my power control -- and watch the energy crawl back over your cable till it reaches you!... bingo!"
then DH falls off the wall he was on (headfirst) and Spider-Man has to catch him before he hits the ground
Thunderball electrocutes him again a few pages later