Exar Kun vs Ulic, yoda, mace, Malak and/or Dooku

Started by Darth Avis4 pages
Originally posted by Lord Simus
First off Nai is a very intelligent person. As not getting a hit in he was using a freaking walking stick. Yes that changes everything. You got me there. WTF! Now you're making Ulic weaker to make sure he wins. If anyones biased here its you.

lets all calm down

Nai is probably one of the most intellegent people here and i am an exar fanboy (dont worry my fanboyisams change nightly) but nai even said that he is yoda biest but still

Please calmly explain to me how a walking stick changes everything.

I am making Ulic weaker so it will be a fairer fight.

and once again i am a fanboy of Exar (for today maybe i will be a Malak fanboy tommorow?)

Now lets all calm dowm

A walking stick changes everything because Vodo wouldn't be able to hurt anybody except a baby with it. And even if you make Ulic weaker Exar will still get owned.

I hope you like my old sig, Avis. Brought it back just for you.

Avis, if you had a walking stick and I had a lightsaber, I would waste you, even if you were a better sword fighter than me.

yes but if you replace them the fight will go THE SAME WAY. that is what i am trying to say. and what do you mean by "I brought back my old sig just for you, Avis."

How will the fight go the same way?

ohh mean person!!!!!!!!!
Well Exar will walk in freez the senete and now Vodo will get his lightsaber and then they will block and strike and die the same way. thats what i mean.

Just to let you know, it didn't take 10 seconds even with the stick and with a lightsaber it would take longer.

Wow. . .

Avis, that scenario was ridiculous. You require no further input on that matter, I believe.

As for all those people who say that Exar only beat Vodo because of this, or Vodo lost because of that; no. Exar is just that good. Why in hell would Vodo use a weapon that he sucks with when going on to challenge one of the most powerful beings in history? Master Bass was a dueling grandmaster. He used a walking stick for purposes unknown, but there is no possible way that the use of that particular weapon would lessen his ability.

Now, if you have read the comic, you would know what you're talking about. Exar, after dueling Vodo for, read it, six panels, ignites the second blade of his lightsaber, and on the next page, cleaves Bass in two. So yes, he defeated him in seconds, and without a hell of a lot of difficulty.

Am I saying that Yoda would get wasted in seconds? No. But he will fall, and somewhat quickly. Sure, his small size and agility make him impossible to strike for all but the best duelists. But Exar Kun, well, he's in a league of his own. He had speed like no other (note his saber's shape and size), mammoth strength (. . . ), and raw power that caused tremors as he walked. Not to mention his total mastery of the Dark Side (Sith spells that could freeze an entire chamber, and rituals that could drain the life force of an entire bloody race).

As for the others. Well, Ulic is an army of his own, and although lacking the insane qualities of Kun, he is incredibly powerful. The only one here outside of Yoda who could give Dark Lord more than twenty seconds's work. The rest are fodder. Mace may be able to hang with Exar for a few seconds due to Shatterpoint and his Vaapad, but unless everyone is holding off Kun, his Shatterpoint ability won't be able to find his enemy's weakness before he's sabered apart. Dooku, even with his Makashi mastery, wouldn't be able to last ten seconds here. He lacks the even minimal advantage possessed by Windu's style, and his form will be instantly familiar to Kun. Note the time period. Lastly, Malak won't last long either. While he was a formidable swordsman, Exar has the advantage in everything, speed, power, mobility, etcetera.

Basically, Yoda and Ulic are the only combatants here who wouldn't be vanquished by a few seconds worth of fighting. Remember, just because you have five powerful beings against one doesn't mean that you have a single entity with the ability of those five. I highly doubt that there is going to be much teamwork going on here. I'm not saying he wins or loses. Just trying to clear some things up. But regardless, Exar has a good chance here. Consider all the variables. Environment, tactical thinking, somebody tripping, whatever. Think about it.

Are you forgetting Exar would have to fight him for an extremely long time?

<<im not a fanboy!!!!!!!!!!! i just like him since he can beat NJO luke.>>

if that is the reason you like kun so much, then you should be leaning more towards ragnos, or any other ancient sith - i'm sure they can kick either kun's or luke's ass.

i guess i'm kinda to blame for the fanboyism cause of posting kun's stats the day before and some saw that according to the stats he had a rather, "exceptional" force defense.

anyhow, kun would lose this. i'm not saying he would lose against yoda... but if you throw in mace and ulic, yoda and ulic, dooku and ulic, or malak and ulic - kun, IMO is going to to be DECIMATED.

he was better than ulic but not much better, their first fight went on for a very long time and obviously kun couldn't find any flaw or weakness in ulic's fighting ability. throw in dooku, or malak for example, or even sidious (even though he's not on the list), kun wouldn't be able to defend against force attacks from them, and defend against the melee attacks of ulic at the same time.

if he tried to take out someone else, ulic would cut him down, if he'd try to defend against a force attack, ulic would cut him down. if he's busy in melee with ulic, he'll be bombarded by force attacks and broken down.

even though i think kun is better than yoda or mace, if you have ulic with either of them, kun could no way take his attention off of ulic for very long, and i doubt kun could kill yoda or mace very quickly. i don't care which sith you're talking about, yoda or mace alone, although would die, wouldn't be easy kills especially yoda.
that being said, kun is frustrated by ulic and yoda, or mace, (whomever you choose) would get in a killing blow. or if kun tried to kill yoda or mace, ulic would cut him down rather quickly.

Just because it goes from Exar igniting his lightsaber to Vodo cut in half doesn't mean that Exar killed him in a really short amount of time. It is similar to The Handmaiden killing her sisters in KOTOR 2. Its just a few frames later that they fall to the ground dead, but did she kill them that fast? Nope. We could also argue surprise from the first double-bladed lightsaber.

Abominus, I don't think your stats did it.

And isn't this the same guy who made a Yoda sucks thread?

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Wow. . .

Avis, that scenario was ridiculous. You require no further input on that matter, I believe.

As for all those people who say that Exar only beat Vodo because of this, or Vodo lost because of that; no. Exar is just that good. Why in hell would Vodo use a weapon that he sucks with when going on to challenge one of the most powerful beings in history? Master Bass was a dueling grandmaster. He used a walking stick for purposes unknown, but there is no possible way that the use of that particular weapon would lessen his ability.

Now, if you have read the comic, you would know what you're talking about. Exar, after dueling Vodo for, read it, six panels, ignites the second blade of his lightsaber, and on the next page, cleaves Bass in two. So yes, he defeated him in seconds, and without a hell of a lot of difficulty.

Am I saying that Yoda would get wasted in seconds? No. But he will fall, and somewhat quickly. Sure, his small size and agility make him impossible to strike for all but the best duelists. But Exar Kun, well, he's in a league of his own. He had speed like no other (note his saber's shape and size), mammoth strength (. . . ), and raw power that caused tremors as he walked. Not to mention his total mastery of the Dark Side (Sith spells that could freeze an entire chamber, and rituals that could drain the life force of an entire bloody race).

As for the others. Well, Ulic is an army of his own, and although lacking the insane qualities of Kun, he is incredibly powerful. The only one here outside of Yoda who could give Dark Lord more than twenty seconds's work. The rest are fodder. Mace may be able to hang with Exar for a few seconds due to Shatterpoint and his Vaapad, but unless everyone is holding off Kun, his Shatterpoint ability won't be able to find his enemy's weakness before he's sabered apart. Dooku, even with his Makashi mastery, wouldn't be able to last ten seconds here. He lacks the even minimal advantage possessed by Windu's style, and his form will be instantly familiar to Kun. Note the time period. Lastly, Malak won't last long either. While he was a formidable swordsman, Exar has the advantage in everything, speed, power, mobility, etcetera.

Basically, Yoda and Ulic are the only combatants here who wouldn't be vanquished by a few seconds worth of fighting. Remember, just because you have five powerful beings against one doesn't mean that you have a single entity with the ability of those five. I highly doubt that there is going to be much teamwork going on here. I'm not saying he wins or loses. Just trying to clear some things up. But regardless, Exar has a good chance here. Consider all the variables. Environment, tactical thinking, somebody tripping, whatever. Think about it.

stop just stop your supreme intellect is killing me. you are to smart loloooooollllllllllllooooooooooooolllllllll

And i admit i am an Exar fanboy

Originally posted by Lord Simus
And isn't this the same guy who made a Yoda sucks thread?
you guys misunderstood that thread. i meant that the only reason yoda is so good is because he had 900 years to train

IM not answering anything because this is just ridiculous.

read Faunus's post

@ AA, Then please do not post in here.

There is no way in hell Exar can take on Ulic, Yoda, Mace, or Malak/Dooku at the same time. It's just not possible, so if you think Exar can take them all on at the same time, then you're just insane.

Basically, Yoda and Ulic are the only combatants here who wouldn't be vanquished by a few seconds worth of fighting. Remember, just because you have five powerful beings against one doesn't mean that you have a single entity with the ability of those five. I highly doubt that there is going to be much teamwork going on here. I'm not saying he wins or loses. Just trying to clear some things up. But regardless, Exar has a good chance here. Consider all the variables. Environment, tactical thinking, somebody tripping, whatever. Think about it.

These are words of great wisdom, listen to it.

All of you are trying to think you can simply add the 5 other variables like a mathematical formula. You can't!

There is no way they would work cohesively enough with enough collusion to have their abilities stack perfectly. So yes, Kun would probably lose this fight, but he has a chance. To admit otherwise would be character hating.

Vodo losing because he had a walking stick is a cop out. He CHOOSES to wield a walking stick. He could just as easily carry a lightsaber. I highly doubt that a Jedi grandmaster wields a weapon he is not proficient in.

There is no way in hell Exar can take on Ulic, Yoda, Mace, or Malak/Dooku at the same time. It's just not possible, so if you think Exar can take them all on at the same time, then you're just insane.

Stop being so close-minded. Outside of Ulic and Yoda, Exar is a good deal better than any of the other competitors.

If you add Kit Fisto and Agen Kolar to AOTC Obi-Wan and Anakin, is it guaranteed Dooku would lose? No.

Your last analogy sucks. Exar vs. these guys is like Dooku vs. Mace, ROTS Obi-wan(a little weaker than Yoda next to Exar), and Anakin. Dooku would go down. So would Exar.