Exar Kun vs Ulic, yoda, mace, Malak and/or Dooku

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Your last analogy sucks. Exar vs. these guys is like Dooku vs. Mace, ROTS Obi-wan(a little weaker than Yoda next to Exar), and Anakin. Dooku would go down. So would Exar.

No it wouldn't. YOUR counteranalogy sucks. Mace alone could make a case for defeating Dooku. In this fight, none of the plug and play parts is equal to Exar Kun.

I said if you add Agen Kolar and Kit Fisto to AOTC Anakin and AOTC Obi-Wan, it doesn't guarantee Dooku's defeat. That analogy is perfectly valid because individuals like Malak, Mace, and/or Dooku are not that strong compared to Exar. The heavy hitters will STILL be Yoda and Ulic even with the three additional parts.

Then you're attempting to say that the 5 parts here will work with perfect cohesiveness and make a perfect team. Chances are against this, and even if they did, it's not simply adding their powers and pitting it against one guy like in math.

1 + 1 does not always equal 2 in a fight.

Mace alone is about equal to Dooku. Ulic is about equal to Exar. AOTC Obi-wan is way less than Mace by Exar. I don't even know where AOTC Anakin would fit in this. Dooku has shown himself to be near Yoda, as has Mace. Malak is probably better than Dooku or Mace.

Those guys are definatly closer to Exar than AOTC Obi-wan is to Dooku.

And if I did think 1 1=2 then I would say Ulic plus almost anyone is better than Exar.

Originally posted by Illustrious
These are words of great wisdom, listen to it.

All of you are trying to think you can simply add the 5 other variables like a mathematical formula. You can't!

There is no way they would work cohesively enough with enough collusion to have their abilities stack perfectly. So yes, Kun would probably lose this fight, but he has a chance. To admit otherwise would be character hating.

Vodo losing because he had a walking stick is a cop out. He CHOOSES to wield a walking stick. He could just as easily carry a lightsaber. I highly doubt that a Jedi grandmaster wields a weapon he is not proficient in.

Stop being so close-minded. Outside of Ulic and Yoda, Exar is a good deal better than any of the other competitors.

If you add Kit Fisto and Agen Kolar to AOTC Obi-Wan and Anakin, is it guaranteed Dooku would lose? No.

Ulic is almost as good as Exar, Yoda is close to Exars level, Mace is good but not important, and Malak/Dooku is also very good. So basically this all adds up, and you're telling me Kun is gonna win? Are you kidding me? You should stop being the close-minded one.

Mace alone is about equal to Dooku. Ulic is about equal to Exar. AOTC Obi-wan is way less than Mace by Exar. I don't even know where AOTC Anakin would fit in this. Dooku has shown himself to be near Yoda, as has Mace. Malak is probably better than Dooku or Mace.

Those guys are definatly closer to Exar than AOTC Obi-wan is to Dooku.

Because Ulic isn't "about equal" to Exar in his later stages, he was probably the second best individual in the galaxy at the time, but he wasn't "about equal" to him, even when they were "stalemated" Exar was superior, and by all accounts, he was the individual that improved more.

Again, where is it that you get off saying someone like Dooku or Mace isn't as insignificant to Exar as Obi-Wan is to Dooku? Back this claim up.

Ulic is almost as good as Exar, Yoda is close to Exars level, Mace is good but not important, and Malak/Dooku is also very good. So basically this all adds up, and you're telling me Kun is gonna win? Are you kidding me? You should stop being the close-minded one.

Really, so you are attempting to do algebra with Star Wars characters after assuming their power levels in accordance to Exar. Do you have any martial arts experience? I'd call out logical fallacy on that, but I doubt you'd recognize it when it hits you.

All I'm saying is Exar is superior by a noticable degree to any competitor against him, and he is not simply being a victim of addition. Would he likely lose? Absolutely, but to say he can't win is being stupid, as there is no evidence to show that the 5 of them could even be cohesive.

Glentract, this goes back to the Ragnos purge thread that you had so much trouble understanding, there is hardly any way where you can even have more than a few attacks go towards his direction, and Exar is almost certainly faster than any of the individuals here.

Again, to say he has no chance is being closed-minded.

Well if he would likely lose then just stop and calm down. That's all I wanted to hear. He would lose. He would lose but I know for a fact he would of killed like 2 people before he went out.

Did I ever say Exar has no chance of winning?

Show me that Exar DOES make Mace look like Obi-wan vs. Dooku. Prove that Exar increased more than Ulic did from when they stalemated.

"The ground shook under his feat."

Big deal. That could just as easily show he has no control over his power or is dumb and makes a conscious shakes the ground.

And although we can't tell for sure who the victor would be, or at least the victor a majority of the time, math can be helpful.

This of it this way. If we add my strength, speed, knowledge into a point system, and do the same to yours, then if you are twice what I have, then you are probably going to win.

Although they might not form a perfect team, they have over double his power.

Ever heard the saying 2+2=5? You could apply that, but I know you aren't going to, so we will go your way for the time. Either way, Ulic is overpowered.

Well if he would likely lose then just stop and calm down. That's all I wanted to hear. He would lose. He would lose but I know for a fact he would of killed like 2 people before he went out.

Because it's not as simple as you saying he WILL lose. I'd give him 3/10 odds for winning, actually.

Did I ever say Exar has no chance of winning?

You never acknowledged the contrary. Instead, when Faunus or myself argued it, you said we were fanboys.

And although we can't tell for sure who the victor would be, or at least the victor a majority of the time, math can be helpful.

This of it this way. If we add my strength, speed, knowledge into a point system, and do the same to yours, then if you are twice what I have, then you are probably going to win.

Although they might not form a perfect team, they have over double his power.

No they don't. I don't know where you came with "double his power" from, because a team is limited by their cohesion. An individual would under no circumstance be able to wield their singular abilities to their fullest.

Any other reference towards adding their powers or point system is simply oversimplifying an equation.

Show me that Exar DOES make Mace look like Obi-wan vs. Dooku.

I guess I'll have to find it in the same place where you found "Those guys are definatly closer to Exar than AOTC Obi-wan is to Dooku."

Wasn't it you in that other thread that said you have to prove something, not the others have to prove against it automatically? I called Avis a fanboy. I never specified you or Faunus.

You haven't shown that Exar gained a lot of power where Ulic did not. Until then, my proof that he is about equal(when he fought him and Ragnos interfered.) stands. So does me saying Yoda is near his power. Mace, Dooku and Malak are all near Yoda.

If Exar has 15 gigawatts of energy and Ulic has 14, then Ulic is close to Exar in power. If Yoda has twelve and Dooku, Mace, and Malak have 10, then they are still close to Exar in power. 2/3 of his power. I agree, this is oversimplified, but it is helpful.

You also can't prove that Exar can move as fast as all of them working together. They don't all have to swing at the same time. Ulic must be around his speed, because Ulic stood against him, which you haven't proved otherwise, so acording to your beliefs, it stands. Yoda is fast. Maybe not as fast as Ulic, but if he can fill that gap between Ulic and Exar, then Exar dies. He isn't going to slow Ulic down if he is on the other side of Exar. Even without perfect intergration, their collective speed is higher than his.

i would like to point this out. Exar beat Vodo because first he toyed with vodo and then ignighted his second end of his blade and killed vodo in like 3 seconds so for real it was only a 3 second fight. it is commen sence to say that vodo is better then Mace dooku and Malak so exar can beat them in like 3-7 each seconds and then beat yoda and ulic.

^Oh my god, you should just slap yourself right now.

Originally posted by D_CP
^Oh my god, you should just slap yourself right now.

While I often don't agree with the way Avis comes to conclusions, I think you yourself need to be a little more respectful on average. You are new, and I haven't seen much logical debate come out of you; just bitching and bashing.

well that is if Exar can find the time and faunus or anyone else who read the comics how did Exar stop the jedi and drain the Massasi and remove the sun crusher and Janus do you think what i said is at least possible

Avis, we don't even know how powerful Vodo really is. We know he is good, but seriously, you guys are more intelligent to look at guys who look similar(in height) and are both really old and automatically think they are equal or at least close to equal. And if each frame(whatever you call them in comics) is only two seconds, then no fight in that time is more than 12 seconds or so. That doesn't make anysense, because we never hear of this in any other time.

well they are both head of the order, lightsaber grandmasters, quick and powerful. seem the same to me. also how much time does one need to learn to fight? They probably spent half or more of there very long life MEDITATING. I mean 600 years of only fight training? makes no sence. i may be wrong so please correct me.

Doesn't matter. They lived in completly different times. They fought completly different opponents. They weren't even the same species. Do you really think that the Jedi view on the force didn't change over 4000 years?

true, but still. If Vodo had any uber trick he would have used it to stay alive. he doesnt. We can susspect that he is very strong like yoda. we can say he is very wise like yoda. we cant say he was green and that is not important. It doesnt matter what specias he is since that doesnt matter. We know he was the same rank as yoda and that is preety much all that REALLY matters. They probably fight the same.

OMFG...since when has Kun become so powerful that he can take down Ulic, Yoda, Mace, Malak and Dooku?

Since the birth of fanboys.

Avis, yiu can say he is as strong as Yoda. You can say he is as wise. How do you know they were the same ranK? And on top of that, being the same rank doens't make them equal in power. Marka and Malak were both DLOS, but Marka would beat the sh!t out of Malak. I am curious as to what made you so naive over the last few days.

Uh, actually to my knowledge, Vodo is the only grandmaster in the jedi order. Technically, I think, Yoda is the grandmaster of his order, as I recall reading it somewhere, but it might have been some piece of shit EU novel by some subrate author.

I read the same thing somewhere. Yoda was a grandmaster.