So are you saying that god is or isn't omniscient? There's no such thing as partial omniscience. That's a contradiction in terms.
He's incapable of knowing what people will do?
Even if he/she/it is only capable of knowing about future technology that predestines the innovation of said technology by specific people, thus predestining their fate.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So are you saying that god is or isn't omniscient.He's incapable of knowing what people will do?
Even if he/she/it is only capable of knowing about future technology that predestines the innovation of said technology by specific people, thus predestining their fate.
Originally posted by sonnetNo, you're mistaking The Bible with the dictionary - and both were written by men.
The Bible tells us that God is omniscient and what that means. Man made up the rest.
Etymology: New Latin omniscient-, omnisciens, back-formation from Medieval Latin omniscientia
1 : having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight
2 : possessed of universal or complete knowledge
It is argued that god’ s omniscience doesn’ t include procedural knowledge (knowing how to do things, like ride a bike) or personal knowledge (knowledge derived from personal experience, like 'knowing war'😉.
The definition of omniscience excludes anything contradictory to the nature of the being in question.
Omniscience has been whittled down bit by bit until there is very little left of the original concept.
Originally posted by StormWhich would mean god has "finite omniscience"? Besides being a contradiction in terms, this would also imply that god is not omnipotent, considering omnipotence would confer the ability to be truly omniscient.
It is argued that god’ s omniscience doesn’ t include procedural knowledge (knowing how to do things, like ride a bike) or personal knowledge (knowledge derived from personal experience, like 'knowing war'😉.The definition of omniscience excludes anything contradictory to the nature of the being in question.
Omniscience has been whittled down bit by bit until there is very little left of the original concept.
I disagree with god' s alleged attributes.
The different characteristics attributed to god have a tendency to conflict. Christian theologians and Western philosophers have engaged in great efforts to find ways to make them compatible.
In the end, the argument is that the god which is said to exist is either incompatible with reality or is incompatible with itself (because of the conflicting of its claimed characteristics). Either way, then that god cannot exist.
Originally posted by StormYep.
I disagree with god' s alleged attributes.The different characteristics attributed to god have a tendency to conflict. Christian theologians and Western philosophers have engaged in great efforts to find ways to make them compatible.
In the end, the argument is that the god which is said to exist is either incompatible with reality or is incompatible with itself (because of the conflicting of its claimed characteristics). Either way, then that god cannot exist.
Originally posted by fintiIt is easy to quote any scriptures or even just the names of the books like you do, but I prefer to give you exact scriptures and cross references. Unlike you I do not make fun of other people and therefor show my insecurities.
oh so you havent studied the bible enough to know where to find it 😮💨try jeremiah or the psalms
Originally posted by EchuuThe Pope is a man, he is not a supposedly infallible god. If god has prior knowledge of what you are going to do and say and is infallible, your actions and words must conform to those of god's knowledge. Therefore god is predestining your actions. If your actions and words do not conform to his knowledge that means god was incorrect and is fallible.
Not even the Pope is infallible.I'm just using that example to show that God may know what I'm going to do and say tomorrow but it does not mean he is making it happen.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The Pope is a man, he is not a supposedly infallible god. If god has prior knowledge of what you are going to do and say and is infallible, your actions and words must conform to those of god's knowledge. Therefore god is predestining your actions. If your actions and words do not conform to his knowledge that means god was incorrect and is fallible.
So like me knowing that my parents are going to die makes me infallible? 🙄
Rather than act foolish you should just go and look up the definition of infallible. Your Pope and parents analogy are flawed.
Infallible means incapable of error.
Is his/her/its knowledge always correct? (Is god infallible?)
Does he/she/it have knowledge of everything that will happen? (Is god omniscient?)
Assuming the answer to the above questions is "Yes." then predestination is a requisite. Actions and events contravening the knowledge of future actions that god has would render him/her/it fallible, and brings into question his/her/its omniscience.
It is easy to quote any scriptures or even just the names of the books like you do, but I prefer to give you exact scriptures and cross references. Unlike you I do not make fun of other people and therefor show my insecurities.I dont think you are capable of showing a sence of humor that would make you able to make fun of ohters,
I just tried to help you to which direction to look. You dont need to give me exact scriptures, there aint nothing in this bible that you can show me I havent seen many many times before, even if it is hard for you to believe I know my way around the bible just as good as you do.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Rather than act foolish you should just go and look up the definition of infallible. Your Pope and parents analogy are flawed.Infallible means incapable of error.
Is his/her/its knowledge always correct? (Is god infallible?)
Does he/she/it have knowledge of everything that will happen? (Is god omniscient?)Assuming the answer to the above questions is "Yes." then predestination is a requisite. Actions and events contravening the knowledge of future actions that god has would render him/her/it fallible, and brings into question his/her/its omniscience.
Rather than act foolish you should read what I really said...
I said "NOT even the Pope is infallible." I know he isn't infallible and I was just pointing to the fault in the Catholic doctrine which says he is.
As for the parents thing I am just saying that just because someone knows something is going to happen doesn't mean they are causing it...infallible or not.
Originally posted by sonnet
It is easy to quote any scriptures or even just the names of the books like you do, but I prefer to give you exact scriptures and cross references. Unlike you I do not make fun of other people and therefor show my insecurities.
You could also do a quick search on the net to find it really easy by typing key words and the word "Bible."