It is canon, but highly exaggerated. It portrayed GG as a powerful fighter, but who was the real competition for him? Ki adi? the only one there who would put up a fight. Not only that but Ki adi is not a fighter just like qui gon. They are both mentally powerfull not physically, and thats the reason GG was able to beat him. But that does noy make GG a dueling god.
Originally posted by Deus Ex
You're thinking consequentially; I'm not. The point is jedi are supposed to have reverence for all life and as Mace himself said, "We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers."Using the force to crush a living being is a sith trait, not a jedi trait.
So you don't think Mace's crushing of GG chest was trying to keep/restore peace?
Had he'd of killed GG on that ship, peace, so to speak, would've been kept and the war stopped.
Did Obi Wan use "Sith Traits" when he offed GG,..or Darth Maul? They were living things...
There're exceptions to the rule when desperate times call for desperate measures i guess...i mean, Obi Wan used a blaster to kill. Thats definetly not a Jedi trait..but he did it.
To use the force to hurt another human being is against the rules of the Jedi, thats why the Jedi didn't use force choking or lightning as attacks or means in a fight. While Sith did. The nature of that power is evil in itself and thats why the Jedi are not allowed to use it.
Using the force to hurt somebody or to kill somebody is allowed as long as that person is evil, but the first and most important option will always be capturing. The Jedi do not kill their prisoners either. Force techniques that are meant to killed or permanently hurt somebody are evil by nature, and because of that against the Jedi code.
Originally posted by Lord Simus
Janus I think your forgetting about Mace using Vaapad which requires him to tap into the darkside. As for Grievous being overpowered if he was don't you think GL would have said something about it?
No, first off... Vaapad doesn't require him to act in a dark side manner; it involves him flirting with the dark side while maintaining his good alignment. The moment he does something dark side-esque, he loses it, and comes unraveled. Depa was consumed by the dark side and Vaapad for giving in.
Second, GL didn't protest The Crystal Star, NJO Luke, the title "Darth" in KOTOR or Nihilus... honestly, I don't think he really cares because it makes him money no matter what.
Originally posted by Deus Ex
No, first off... Vaapad doesn't require him to act in a dark side manner; it involves him flirting with the dark side while maintaining his good alignment. The moment he does something dark side-esque, he loses it, and comes unraveled. Depa was consumed by the dark side and Vaapad for giving in.Second, GL didn't protest The Crystal Star, NJO Luke, the title "Darth" in KOTOR or Nihilus... honestly, I don't think he really cares because it makes him money no matter what.
Ahh...money...one of the most powerful forces in this world.
fist of the north has got the idea a lot better than most of you. Deux, you just use your own facts and dont listen or reply to ones that contradict you for instance fist of the north said "There're exceptions to the rule when desperate times call for desperate measures i guess...i mean, Obi Wan used a blaster to kill. Thats definitely not a Jedi trait..but he did it." Your exact reply afterwards was "Fishy covered it. Using the Force itself to maim or kill is Sithlike. GL's saga is about the abuse of power, among things. The Force is power given new meaning in the series. Jedi use it wisely and for good; the Sith use it capriciously, and with flimsy rationalization" You havent actually replied to what was said before. This is because you know that obi won using a blaster to kill grievous was against the jedi ways but you knew that it contradicted what you said so you ignored it and hoped that people would forget it.
The use of a gun is not the use of the Dark Side, Obi Wan calls it barbaric or primitive I don't remember. But the gun is not a tool of the Dark Side, it is a tool of destruction and his only choice. But he did not use the force to kill GG did he? He didn't use the Dark Side of the force to destroy GG. He just everything he could that was around him and took GG out.
I always enjoy it when people start bashing me on multiple threads because I can be that charming. Here you go.
So you don't think Mace's crushing of GG chest was trying to keep/restore peace?
Had he'd of killed GG on that ship, peace, so to speak, would've been kept and the war stopped.
First off, the war may very well have continued. The only way the war would have totally stopped is if Sidious was removed fromt he equation. He is the one who blackmailed and pressured the Separatists, enlisted Dooku's aid, and set evrything up. GG is minor, and using a force power in a Sithlike manner is not justified, period. This is the jedi code.
Did Obi Wan use "Sith Traits" when he offed GG,..or Darth Maul? They were living things...
He most certainly did. He also uses emotions and lets Anakin get away with a lot despite the fact that he KNOWS Anakin is with Padme. Obi-Wan is a good man, but he's still a human being. He never completely upheld the jedi code in many ways. When he fought with Maul, he was enraged. He bisected Maul, which is frowned upon in Jedi lightsaber etiquette. Later, when he shot Grievious, he was acting out of survival instinct and not adherance to the jedi code. Period. He's lucky Yoda didn't see him.
There're exceptions to the rule when desperate times call for desperate measures i guess...i mean, Obi Wan used a blaster to kill. Thats definetly not a Jedi trait..but he did it.
It appears to be that way, but the jedi code is an absolute binding law of what one ought to do. It's not subjective in any way. Thus, while we might applaud Obi-Wan for being crafty enough to use the blaster, it was still morally wrong by the code he has sworn to uphold his whole life.
There, Darth Supremus... was all that not obvious to you beforehand? Or did you really, really want me to give you the right answers?
Was it? Seriously was the use of the gun against the code? He used a tool of destruction and murder, yes against the code. But he didn't use it for any offensive purposes. He used it to defend himself. He didn't train for it it just came to him and he didn't use the Dark Side to use the gun, he didn't give into any emotions at that time, except for finishing his mission. He had no choice if he wanted to do what he had to do.
I'm not so sure on using a gun in this case is against the code.
Originally posted by birthoftheforce
well deux ex i have just read what he said and he has actually given better points than you and all he needed was 9 lines
Oh joy... another hater.
Are you darth supremus, too?
How cute.
If you actually read what I said and what he said and you thought about it, you'd see I totally answered his question. Now go bug your mother or something.